[jbock13]

TorC I think they named a town after you?

[bradyfan]

Tough loss, need some horses, it sounds, and remember Layer took them to second just last year.

With our resources, that's really sad. I'm not going to call for a change just yet but despite all of the injuries, we have to start beating at least the likes of Winthrop and such.

Winthrop lost to Georgia and UNCA in OT - they're not that bad. Yes we should have won and yes coaching at the end was suspect. For one the guys were tired since we shortened our bench to 7 players in the second half and it may be we were running out of gas . . . and JVP should have been in on the defensive end late in the game to prevent those points in the paint.

That's great. I don't care. The Big South is the worst conference next to Patriot league and MEAC. Close losses don't equate to having a good team if your record is 6-13...If we shortened our bench, whose fault is that? My question is, why are we spending millions of dollars to be terrible? If we were a sub-par CAA or C-USA team, I understand a few excuses. However, we are in a conference that is just barely not DII, why do we suck? 12,000 residential students, 80,000 online students, multi-million dollar budget and facilities...we're better than this.

[Purple Haize]

Budget does not equal success. Can we stop with using that as criteria to judge W and L's?

[bradyfan]

I know that it doesn't equal success. All I'm saying is, why are we spending so much money for below average results?

[Purple Haize]

I know that it doesn't equal success. All I'm saying is, why are we spending so much money for below average results?

Which again is equating money with on the floor success.

[thepostman]

money provides tools to succeed. Coaches and players need to use those tools effectively to succeed. At this point that is not happening. I am not giving up on Layer but he doesn't have much more time or he must go. Maybe he just isn't head coaching material.

[Purple Haize]

money provides tools to succeed. Coaches and players need to use those tools effectively to succeed. At this point that is not happening. I am not giving up on Layer but he doesn't have much more time or he must go. Maybe he just isn't head coaching material.

Do we fully fund scholarships? Yes. Do other schools? Most of them. We pay our coaches fairly well but so do other schools. Other than that it is bells and whistles. The 'resources' argument is only valid if we were fully funding scholarships and other schools were not or vice versa.

[bradyfan]

I know that it doesn't equal success. All I'm saying is, why are we spending so much money for below average results?

Which again is equating money with on the floor success.

No, it isn't. You're arguing that having a better budget and facilities doesn't equal success. You are right that those two do not equal success. My point is that we shouldn't be investing into something that is not producing results. I want to know why we're spending all of this money and settling for less than the best of our current level. It's like being the school's best jock, in a school of 100 people and dating Helga. Btw, Helga hates you. Why do you keep dating her?

[Purple Haize]

So we should spend less money? What 'extra money' are we spending? A practice facility? Considering the Vines is a sucky place to have a practice and the Schilling is leaving us it seem natural.
Now if your argument is that we can't blame access or lack of resources then you would have a point.

[bradyfan]

Now if your argument is that we can't blame access or lack of resources then you would have a point.

That's the basis of my argument. A good budget and good facilities does not equal success. However, the lack of such a budget or facilities sure does hinder it.

[Purple Haize]

Now if your argument is that we can't blame access or lack of resources then you would have a point.

That's the basis of my argument. A good budget and good facilities does not equal success. However, the lack of such a budget or facilities sure does hinder it.

Dude you must be a NASCAR fine the way you talk in circles.

[flamehunter]

Now if your argument is that we can't blame access or lack of resources then you would have a point.

That's the basis of my argument. A good budget and good facilities does not equal success. However, the lack of such a budget or facilities sure does hinder it.

Dude you must be a NASCAR fine the way you talk in circles.

But at least a NASCAR race eventually comes to an end.

[thepostman]

money provides tools to succeed. Coaches and players need to use those tools effectively to succeed. At this point that is not happening. I am not giving up on Layer but he doesn't have much more time or he must go. Maybe he just isn't head coaching material.

Do we fully fund scholarships? Yes. Do other schools? Most of them. We pay our coaches fairly well but so do other schools. Other than that it is bells and whistles. The 'resources' argument is only valid if we were fully funding scholarships and other schools were not or vice versa.

I was agreeing with you. Its not money that creates success its putting people in place that can use the tools you have made available. If you are spending a certain amount of money then expectations therefore grow whether it should or not. At this point the coach and staff aren't fulfilling their end of the bargain.

I am not willing to say we should fire Layer. But if come next year at this time we are having the same kind of discussions then it should be considered seriously.

[Chippy]

Nobody wants to talk about losing your second leading scorer and leading rebounder and your leading scorer (14.4) and the only legitimate 3 point threat to transfer when talking about this season. Gordon and Brown were 1st and 2nd on the team in steals as well with nobody close to them - our defense and poor 3 point shooting is doing us in. The two of them gave us this dimesion that the current team lacks.

Keep this season in perspective and see the fact that the future with this group of freshmen and the JUCOs coming in will will be an entirely different team and a winning team next year.

[Purple Haize]

Nobody wants to talk about losing your second leading scorer and leading rebounder and your leading scorer (14.4) and the only legitimate 3 point threat to transfer when talking about this season. Gordon and Brown were 1st and 2nd on the team in steals as well with nobody close to them - our defense and poor 3 point shooting is doing us in. The two of them gave us this dimesion that the current team lacks.

Keep this season in perspective and see the fact that the future with this group of freshmen and the JUCOs coming in will will be an entirely different team and a winning team next year.

So you are saying that this ISN'T JB's fault?

[Chippy]

Nobody wants to talk about losing your second leading scorer and leading rebounder and your leading scorer (14.4) and the only legitimate 3 point threat to transfer when talking about this season. Gordon and Brown were 1st and 2nd on the team in steals as well with nobody close to them - our defense and poor 3 point shooting is doing us in. The two of them gave us this dimesion that the current team lacks.

Keep this season in perspective and see the fact that the future with this group of freshmen and the JUCOs coming in will will be an entirely different team and a winning team next year.

So you are saying that this ISN'T JB's fault?

[Purple Haize]

Liar!
Your pants will soon

[truthorconsequences]

LU should have better talent and yes $$$ is a big deal. When you have an unlimited recruiting budget it gives you a big advantage. Program building comes down to leadership and resources. Some want to minimize JB's negative impact on this program. We aren't just struggling as a team we are poor in terms of the way we play, where are the loyal program supporters. Attendance will set a new bar very low. Of course most on here will be thrilled if we just back to middle of the pack next year.

[thepostman]

LU should have better talent and yes $$$ is a big deal. When you have an unlimited recruiting budget it gives you a big advantage. Program building comes down to leadership and resources. Some want to minimize JB's negative impact on this program. We aren't just struggling as a team we are poor in terms of the way we play, where are the loyal program supporters. Attendance will set a new bar very low. Of course most on here will be thrilled if we just back to middle of the pack next year.

do you actually read posts on here??

[Purple Haize]

LU should have better talent and yes $$$ is a big deal. When you have an unlimited recruiting budget it gives you a big advantage. Program building comes down to leadership and resources. Some want to minimize JB's negative impact on this program. We aren't just struggling as a team we are poor in terms of the way we play, where are the loyal program supporters. Attendance will set a new bar very low. Of course most on here will be thrilled if we just back to middle of the pack next year.

Ummm pretty sure we DON'T have an unlimited recruiting budget.

[ballcoach15]

Wintrop players were bigger and more athletic than LU's and appeared to be a lot stronger.

[Chippy]

Wintrop players were bigger and more athletic than LU's and appeared to be a lot stronger.

The fact that they have 4 quality seniors on their team gave them the advantage at the end of the game and in OT.

[truthorconsequences]

Wintrop players were bigger and more athletic than LU's and appeared to be a lot stronger.

The fact that they have 4 quality seniors on their team gave them the advantage at the end of the game and in OT.

The fact that they did not just jack up three's had more to do with it. Were we in the bonus? Hello.

[LUconn]

That's not a Liberty problem, that's a college basketball problem. I see it every day there's a game on and I've never understood it.

[Purple Haize]

Well hitting a 3 looks cooler! Hello! And that has been a problem since '87 when the 3 pt line was put in at the high school level. I chalk it up to a decline in FT percentages. Less kids imagine themselves hitting 2 big free throws to win the game then they do knocking down a 3. Guess which one they practice more!