If roundball is your blood, this is the place to discuss the Flames as they move into the Ritchie McKay era for the 2nd time.

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By kdinva
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flamesfilmguy wrote:Excuse me? Take his spankings like a man? First off he was getting ticked at Jason for celebrating. And second Even if it was at Dugger The man was up 40 with 5 to play letting Keith Gabriel and Austin Kenon shoot from where ever the heck they wanted to. If you ask me thats a classless act. we gave it to Dugger after the game. If you seriously were running the double team on Seth while you are up 40 something is wrong. I've kept quiet all night but this is over the line. When you can get out and coach a DI mid major to 20 wins give me a call.
It's over now, but I recall during the 2007 football game, you all were up 63-17 or whatever in the 4th period and Coach Rocco still had R. Jennings in the game, running the ball on every play, in order to reach a personal milestone. VMI did a lousy job on defense the whole game anyway........just a recollection.

GOOD LUCK @ RADFORD!
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By Schfourteenteen
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Was that Zach Terrell for the consecutive TD thing?
By CMII
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kdinva wrote:
flamesfilmguy wrote:Excuse me? Take his spankings like a man? First off he was getting ticked at Jason for celebrating. And second Even if it was at Dugger The man was up 40 with 5 to play letting Keith Gabriel and Austin Kenon shoot from where ever the heck they wanted to. If you ask me thats a classless act. we gave it to Dugger after the game. If you seriously were running the double team on Seth while you are up 40 something is wrong. I've kept quiet all night but this is over the line. When you can get out and coach a DI mid major to 20 wins give me a call.
It's over now, but I recall during the 2007 football game, you all were up 63-17 or whatever in the 4th period and Coach Rocco still had R. Jennings in the game, running the ball on every play, in order to reach a personal milestone. VMI did a lousy job on defense the whole game anyway........just a recollection.

GOOD LUCK @ RADFORD!
Did your coach pull a Woody Hayes and need to be restrained? Bottom line is with everything on the line we were not prepared to play. But I guess the buck stops with excuses.
By Champion
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#237104
Hold My Own wrote:It appears that RM didnt have a problem with Duggar at all but rather Jason and his celebrating after each 3 with the lead they had
I was near the bench area and it is my"opinion" that RM was upset at Duggar. I really can't say that i blame him. I would tend to believe that a 40-point lead with four minutes left might be insurmountable. However, the starters stayed in and the three kept flying. The classy thing to do would have been to pull the starters and take your foot off the gas, however; there is no rule in the book that says you have to be classy to win a basketball game. The question is, how would VMI have reacted if the situation had been reversed? I think that answer is obvious. Be that as it may, you still have to play the game and by that point the LU players had basicaly checked out and were taking a good old fashioned beating. RM also had words with one of the VMI assitant coaches during the handshake, but I couldn't tell what that was all about. As a Liberty fan i didn't like the way the whole situation came down, but that is the nature of sports. At some point maybe the favor will be returned.
By rogers3
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#237106
Champion wrote:
Hold My Own wrote:It appears that RM didnt have a problem with Duggar at all but rather Jason and his celebrating after each 3 with the lead they had
I was near the bench area and it is my"opinion" that RM was upset at Duggar. I really can't say that i blame him. I would tend to believe that a 40-point lead with four minutes left might be insurmountable. However, the starters stayed in and the three kept flying. The classy thing to do would have been to pull the starters and take your foot off the gas, however; there is no rule in the book that says you have to be classy to win a basketball game. The question is, how would VMI have reacted if the situation had been reversed? I think that answer is obvious. Be that as it may, you still have to play the game and by that point the LU players had basicaly checked out and were taking a good old fashioned beating. RM also had words with one of the VMI assitant coaches during the handshake, but I couldn't tell what that was all about. As a Liberty fan i didn't like the way the whole situation came down, but that is the nature of sports. At some point maybe the favor will be returned.
I noticed that "word" also, but RMK didn't seem to have the fire in his eyes at the handshaking. He seemed well composed and polite to all as he shook hands.
By grm
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#237107
rogers3 wrote:
Champion wrote:
Hold My Own wrote:It appears that RM didnt have a problem with Duggar at all but rather Jason and his celebrating after each 3 with the lead they had
I was near the bench area and it is my"opinion" that RM was upset at Duggar. I really can't say that i blame him. I would tend to believe that a 40-point lead with four minutes left might be insurmountable. However, the starters stayed in and the three kept flying. The classy thing to do would have been to pull the starters and take your foot off the gas, however; there is no rule in the book that says you have to be classy to win a basketball game. The question is, how would VMI have reacted if the situation had been reversed? I think that answer is obvious. Be that as it may, you still have to play the game and by that point the LU players had basicaly checked out and were taking a good old fashioned beating. RM also had words with one of the VMI assitant coaches during the handshake, but I couldn't tell what that was all about. As a Liberty fan i didn't like the way the whole situation came down, but that is the nature of sports. At some point maybe the favor will be returned.
I noticed that "word" also, but RMK didn't seem to have the fire in his eyes at the handshaking. He seemed well composed and polite to all as he shook hands.
I'm quite sure that he was not "polite" to Jason, and that he was actually unkind (deserved or not) & (in my mind) presumptuous.
By LUconn
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#237108
Hey its CMII. Where ya been? we had a whole season of success since your last appearance. Its too bad you weren't here to enjoy that with us.
By grm
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#237109
Having said what I just said, I would gladly give Ritchie a pass if he would give a little position statement on Jason, and admit that he was speaking last night in the "heat of the moment."

Jason is a grad, and will be a friend of LU for lifetime. Ritchie could be gone in a moment, and that needs to be respected as well.
By grm
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And yes, the season has been very successful, and no one should forget that. Plus - it's not over yet.
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By LCA&LU Mom
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Champion wrote:
Hold My Own wrote:It appears that RM didnt have a problem with Duggar at all but rather Jason and his celebrating after each 3 with the lead they had
I was near the bench area and it is my"opinion" that RM was upset at Duggar. I really can't say that i blame him. I would tend to believe that a 40-point lead with four minutes left might be insurmountable. However, the starters stayed in and the three kept flying. The classy thing to do would have been to pull the starters and take your foot off the gas, however; there is no rule in the book that says you have to be classy to win a basketball game. The question is, how would VMI have reacted if the situation had been reversed? I think that answer is obvious. Be that as it may, you still have to play the game and by that point the LU players had basicaly checked out and were taking a good old fashioned beating. RM also had words with one of the VMI assitant coaches during the handshake, but I couldn't tell what that was all about. As a Liberty fan i didn't like the way the whole situation came down, but that is the nature of sports. At some point maybe the favor will be returned.
According to Roanoke Times article ( http://www.roanoke.com/sports/college/wb/195829 ) Duggar said "As soon as he would have taken his starters out, we would have taken ours out". Sounds like an 8-yr-old "YOU say Uncle first". Whatever, it was beyond ugly at that point.

I just hate it that this debacle had to happen at all, but to happen on Anthony Smith's senior night really stinks. What was the attendance last night, I never heard it announced. And for what it's worth, I arrived early, stayed late and cheered the whole time and stood up the whole time. Not "all fans suck" as some on here may believe. :wink:
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By Kolzilla41
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LCA&LU Mom wrote:
Champion wrote:
Hold My Own wrote:It appears that RM didnt have a problem with Duggar at all but rather Jason and his celebrating after each 3 with the lead they had
I was near the bench area and it is my"opinion" that RM was upset at Duggar. I really can't say that i blame him. I would tend to believe that a 40-point lead with four minutes left might be insurmountable. However, the starters stayed in and the three kept flying. The classy thing to do would have been to pull the starters and take your foot off the gas, however; there is no rule in the book that says you have to be classy to win a basketball game. The question is, how would VMI have reacted if the situation had been reversed? I think that answer is obvious. Be that as it may, you still have to play the game and by that point the LU players had basicaly checked out and were taking a good old fashioned beating. RM also had words with one of the VMI assitant coaches during the handshake, but I couldn't tell what that was all about. As a Liberty fan i didn't like the way the whole situation came down, but that is the nature of sports. At some point maybe the favor will be returned.
According to Roanoke Times article ( http://www.roanoke.com/sports/college/wb/195829 ) Duggar said "As soon as he would have taken his starters out, we would have taken ours out". Sounds like an 8-yr-old "YOU say Uncle first". Whatever, it was beyond ugly at that point.

I just hate it that this debacle had to happen at all, but to happen on Anthony Smith's senior night really stinks. What was the attendance last night, I never heard it announced. And for what it's worth, I arrived early, stayed late and cheered the whole time and stood up the whole time. Not "all fans suck" as some on here may believe. :wink:

+1 to the cheering
By grm
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I believe that the attendance was just ever-so-slightly under 8,000. A great group on hand.
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By kingaling42
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Champion wrote:
Hold My Own wrote:It appears that RM didnt have a problem with Duggar at all but rather Jason and his celebrating after each 3 with the lead they had
I was near the bench area and it is my"opinion" that RM was upset at Duggar. I really can't say that i blame him. I would tend to believe that a 40-point lead with four minutes left might be insurmountable. However, the starters stayed in and the three kept flying. The classy thing to do would have been to pull the starters and take your foot off the gas, however; there is no rule in the book that says you have to be classy to win a basketball game. The question is, how would VMI have reacted if the situation had been reversed? I think that answer is obvious. Be that as it may, you still have to play the game and by that point the LU players had basicaly checked out and were taking a good old fashioned beating. RM also had words with one of the VMI assitant coaches during the handshake, but I couldn't tell what that was all about. As a Liberty fan i didn't like the way the whole situation came down, but that is the nature of sports. At some point maybe the favor will be returned.
Ummm- interesting to note that Anthony Smith played 39 minutes last night (which he should on senior night), Curry played 36- also there were 4 LU starters in the game vs 2 of VMI's with just under 4 minutes to play after the final media timeout- VMI scored all of 5 whole points the final 4:15 of play (they had scored 19 the previous ~4 minutes) & only 2 3 pointers were attempted by VMI the final 4+ mins of the game- I think it's clear that they took their foot off the gas otherwise this would have been a 50+ game-

Some of you need to quit this they showed us up stuff.. if VMI did show you up it was more a reflection of the 35-36 minutes of action that built the 40 point lead, it certainly wasn't the final 4-5 minutes putting the Flames out of their misery last night- man some of you are just full of excuses & gotta blame someone else right??

I'm quite sure RMK didn't like that VMI was over 100 points with more than 5 mins to play, but I can't see how anyone including the fans or RMK could look today at the numbers/stats the final 5 minutes and possibly think that VMI was pouring it on- that's just an emotional response & clearly not the way it played out in reality... Objectivity folks try some..
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By Chris Lang
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grm wrote:I believe that the attendance was just ever-so-slightly under 8,000. A great group on hand.
6,900 and change.
By grm
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Thank you, Chris - & God bless
By grm
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btw - my source on the figures I posted was from a VMI radio announcer.

Obviously they were running up the score on the attendance figures as well, unless they got them from our athletic administration.
By grm
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Headed for Compton to preach to some half-way house folks.

Be back shortly
By olldflame
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flamerbob wrote:
LCA&LU Mom wrote:
Champion wrote: I was near the bench area and it is my"opinion" that RM was upset at Duggar. I really can't say that i blame him. I would tend to believe that a 40-point lead with four minutes left might be insurmountable. However, the starters stayed in and the three kept flying. The classy thing to do would have been to pull the starters and take your foot off the gas, however; there is no rule in the book that says you have to be classy to win a basketball game. The question is, how would VMI have reacted if the situation had been reversed? I think that answer is obvious. Be that as it may, you still have to play the game and by that point the LU players had basicaly checked out and were taking a good old fashioned beating. RM also had words with one of the VMI assitant coaches during the handshake, but I couldn't tell what that was all about. As a Liberty fan i didn't like the way the whole situation came down, but that is the nature of sports. At some point maybe the favor will be returned.
According to Roanoke Times article ( http://www.roanoke.com/sports/college/wb/195829 ) Duggar said "As soon as he would have taken his starters out, we would have taken ours out". Sounds like an 8-yr-old "YOU say Uncle first". Whatever, it was beyond ugly at that point.

I just hate it that this debacle had to happen at all, but to happen on Anthony Smith's senior night really stinks. What was the attendance last night, I never heard it announced. And for what it's worth, I arrived early, stayed late and cheered the whole time and stood up the whole time. Not "all fans suck" as some on here may believe. :wink:

+1 to the cheering
Boy, I can't believe he said that, except maybe he was just ticked because Richie complained. There is absolutely no question what the sportsmanship "protocol" is as far as which coach should empty the bench in a blowout. It is the coach whose team is ahead. The losing team has a responsibility to their fans to maintain maximum effort, at least until the dogs are called off.
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By JDUB
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I think we should have yanked the starters. They had quit anyway, with the exception of maybe ANT. If they don't wanna play, put in someone who does. You can't call it fighting when you leave the starters in and they just chill on the court and let the other team run up the score.

as for the fans, i didn't think it was much different than usual. The people who yelled at me were VMI alums, and I didn't blame them cause they were old and obnoxious. I could have argued but didn't feel like wasting my energy. It wasn't a good seat anyway
By rogers3
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grm wrote:
rogers3 wrote:
Champion wrote: I was near the bench area and it is my"opinion" that RM was upset at Duggar. I really can't say that i blame him. I would tend to believe that a 40-point lead with four minutes left might be insurmountable. However, the starters stayed in and the three kept flying. The classy thing to do would have been to pull the starters and take your foot off the gas, however; there is no rule in the book that says you have to be classy to win a basketball game. The question is, how would VMI have reacted if the situation had been reversed? I think that answer is obvious. Be that as it may, you still have to play the game and by that point the LU players had basicaly checked out and were taking a good old fashioned beating. RM also had words with one of the VMI assitant coaches during the handshake, but I couldn't tell what that was all about. As a Liberty fan i didn't like the way the whole situation came down, but that is the nature of sports. At some point maybe the favor will be returned.
I noticed that "word" also, but RMK didn't seem to have the fire in his eyes at the handshaking. He seemed well composed and polite to all as he shook hands.
I'm quite sure that he was not "polite" to Jason, and that he was actually unkind (deserved or not) & (in my mind) presumptuous.
Judging by your comments, you weren't at the game, and likely weren't watching it on TV. I was actually watching the exchanges between teams after the game, and as I said earlier, RMK didn't SEEM overtly offensive with ANY of the VMI coaches. As a matter of fact, one of the coaches shook hands and passed by; after a moment, RMK turned back, touched his arm, and spoke to him; the gesture seemed like an afterthought, and the exchange didn't appear to be heated at all. Of course, I wasn't standing right there, but the camera was pretty tightly zoomed on him. Unless there was someone who actually saw AND heard what he said, one could only assume that the comments weren't rude or offensive, and I wouldn't expect that out of RMK, either.
By SuperJon
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We had something like 2300 students there last night. That's under our season average.

LCA & LU Mom, I know not all fans suck. I said earlier I was speaking in general. When we complain about fans, it's not the people on this board we're talking about.
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By ToTheLeft
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grm would like nothing more then for RMK to have a negative light cast on him. And there's a million different angles I could take from here, but honestly, none of them would be worth what ensues. I'm just glad that after two straight losses, grm's post count goes up and some other people decide to swing by. Always nice to see your smiling faces around here.
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By Cider Jim
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Super, with all due respect, you guys don't belong on the "Baptist side"unless you are willing to fork over the big bucks to sit there.

The Baptist side folks love LU, but we don't stand like we did when we were your age (most of us are two to three times your age, and we just want to sit down and enjoy watching our home team play).

I saw you guys standing down there, and all I could think was, I bet the old timers sitting behind you can't see a thing because you guys were standing--and they paid BIG MONEY to sit in the padded blue section.
By SuperJon
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Cider Jim wrote:Super, with all due respect, you guys don't belong on the "Baptist side"unless you are willing to fork over the big bucks to sit there.

The Baptist side folks love LU, but we don't stand like we did when we were your age (most of us are two to three times your age, and we just want to sit down and enjoy watching our home team play).

I saw you guys standing down there, and all I could think was, I bet the old timers sitting behind you can't see a thing because you guys were standing--and they paid BIG MONEY to sit in the padded blue section.
CJ, I'm not going to argue that point because I agree with what you said. I know that most people on that side are not going to stand and to me, that's fine. I want them involved though. Just because you're sitting doesn't mean you can't clap and that type of thing. That's what we were trying to do. We were also asked by the alumni association to do it which is the main reason we went over there. I know it wasn't athletics that asked us but when an important department on campus asks us to do something, we do it. I was more upset with the way people handled things than them not cheering.
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By JDUB
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you can't stand in front of them though. That will NEVER fly in the blue seats. If you wanted to get them involved, you have to do it slowly. Sit, clap, be energetic but don't mess up the game for them. Their view of how they should act is different than ours, you know that. You can't teach an old dog new tricks, and if you try its gonna take awhile. you can't just block their view and expect them to change immediatly after years of sitting there doing nothing
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