[BJWilliams]

BJ,

Now that is a good reason why not Carey Green for mens coach......The reason as you have pointed out.....is because Carey Green wouldnt want it....


And you're right !


It is hard to find NCAA DIv ! programs where the womens coach would not want the mens job.

That speaks volumes for our program....dont you think ?

Also, since you have replied to this thread.....is my thread now considered a sunstantive contribution?

FF4E, if you have to even ask a question like that, I think you have your answer...and it's substantive...

What does he have to prove though? he is going to go down as one of the greatest coaches in school history, probably a first year HoFer and the ability to walk away when he wants to...why affect all that just to prove he can coach men just as well as women?

[olldflame]

The womens game is a completely different animal. the great things Green has done for our womens program will not carry over to the mens game. #lockthread.

This and other thoughts like it are insulting and far from logical. You all are acting like he's never coached men before. At the end of the day if you can teach you can coach. 99% of teachers at the high school/college level teach both boys/girls, men/women and most do it very well. To think that Green couldn't do the same in a sport he has mastered is borderline insane.

Yes, the men's game is "different" than the women's, but the required skill set needed to coach basketball is the same -

1. Run a proven system that works for your personnel
2. Teach the system and be a master teacher
3. Recruit talent to reload the system
4. Motivate/teach the intangibles as much as you can (heart,desire,etc)
5. Make great in game decisions
6. Guess well



You could argue that each of those 6 is a little bit different with men/women and I would agree, but to think that Green wouldn't have the ability to recognize that and cross over to the men's game is foolish at best. Coaches coach.

Way too simplistic. If it was that easy, coaches would be doing it. They almost never do, and when it happens, it is always from mens to womens, not the other way around. Forgetting the fact that there just aren't ANY females coaching the mens game, just look at all of the men who have had a high level of success coaching women. Now give me some examples of some who have leveraged that success into jobs coaching men. Forget some, name one.

If it was as simple as you are saying, Shane Pinder could coach our football team. I don't think so.

[LUconn]

When you turn threads like these into serious arguments, the terrorists win.

[bradyfan]

The most hilarious part of this whole thread is that I know FF4E and he's actually coached both guys and girls basketball.

As crazy as it sounds to have a girl's coach start coaching guys, is it really that far fetched? Sure the game is different but that doesn't mean Green would have hard time transitioning. He has one of the highest winning percentages among NCAA Women's basketball coaches. I'd even argue that he's the most successful coach in LU history, concerning any sport. Additionally, he's one of the greatest at maximizing potential, which is what has been lacking with our men's team.

I think this moves into the number one spot for you in inane posts. DL did a great job with player development.

Dude, Evan Gordon's work ethic was that of an unmotivated Koala bear. Then the kid transferred. His brother is playing in the NBA and Evan could have greatly improved our program. Is all of that Layers fault? Not necessarily, but he didn't do anything to improve the situation.

Are you forgetting all of the injuries that we had this year? I'd argue that we had enough talent to win around 18-19 games and compete for the Big South title. Instead our season was plagued by injuries. Keeping players healthy is part of the coaches job and would effect maximizing potential.

I'm assuming that your idea of "great job with player development" has to do with Jesse Sanders. Almost all of Layer's success is because of Sanders, not the other way around. Without Sanders, I bet we would have hovered around 10 wins each of the last three seasons. Layer didn't have anything to do with his improvement.

When you have recruits like Baird, Vander Pol, Burrus, 2 Sanders, John Brown and you can't at least compete in the worst conference in the country...you aren't maximizing talent.

I've met Layer and he's an awesome person to be around. Additionally, he does an above average job with play calling late in games. However, does he maximize his talent? Absolutely not. Definitely not to the level that Carey Green does.

[olldflame]

"Keeping players healthy is part of a coaches job". Yeah, the coach should encourage good nutrition and suffecient sleep. he should have his players conditioned to play and strong enough to compete, and should be sure they warm up properly before strenuous workouts. The idea that injuries are somehow the coach's fault is ludicrous. If that were the case, Carey Green should have been fired years ago. Do you know how many ACL tears we have had in our WBB program?

[jcmanson]

Is it football season yet?

[bradyfan]

If that were the case, Carey Green should have been fired years ago. Do you know how many ACL tears we have had in our WBB program?

Difference is that Green wins Big South championships and plays in NCAA tournaments while our men's team continues to suck. You're taking one element of what I said and saying it's the only thing defining how a coach maximizes potential. Injuries alone aren't the only reason DL hasn't done a "great" job of maximizing potential. Look at everything else I listed. Additionally, coaches are responsible for injuries, especially if they have terrible records or no postseasons. As a coach, your job is to win games. Recruit well, game plan better and take care of your stars. If I'm overseeing your investments and one of the stocks I recommended you invest in crashes, would you really not blame me? Of course you would! Is it directly my fault? No, it's not. Yet it effected results. Same thing here.

Even with all of that said. Why are so many people content with Layer's job? It's almost dumber than VT fans being content with Seth Greenburg. Layer hasn't taken us to a postseason, he hasn't been competitive in the worst conference in the country and we are terrible against non-conference teams. NCAA basketball is the easiest sport to earn a postseason spot. Heck, NJIT who won one game their whole season a few years ago, played in their conference championship and finished around .500 this year. The excuse that Layer is still rebuilding after McKay's "mess" is stupid. Layer has had a chance to recruit and raise his own players by now. His class rankings haven't even been that bad, they've just been terrible on the court.

I believe the point of this thread wasn't to necessarily say Green should be coach but to point out that he COULD be the coach. It's good to point out how terrible our men's team has been and compare it to the success of the girls. Despite my criticism of Layer, I don't think he should be fired at this point. I'm just arguing that I'm not content with the results and as a Liberty fan, student, and supporter, I know we can do better. That's all I'm pointing out with this. Look at the success of Green, compare it to the success (or lack-there-of) with the guys program and tell me we're doing our best.

[jcmanson]

I don't understand why people think everyone is so satisfied with DL. I don't recall anyone doing cartwheels this season. He deserves one more season, and we'll see where we stand this time next year.

[jmdickens]

When you turn threads like these into serious arguments, the terrorists win.

[Flamesfan4ever]

I love it when the board elites try to dictate the nature of what is said on the forrum and who says it.

The funny thing is ....some of the guys on here go on and on about the stats of some random player from 2003 or something, but they really dont know the first thing about basketball.

It would be interesting to see what direct basketball experience these guys actually have:

1) Did you play basektball at the high school level or above?

2) Have you coached at the high school level or above?

If the answer to both of these questions is no.......I seriously doubt you are a basketball expert, and are not exactly in a good position to ridicule the posts of others related to the subject.

These same people hate threads like this one........They like threads related to hyping the recruiting class or discussing stats from years gone by.

By the way, the answer to the above questions for me are yes and yes.

However, I prefer topics about :

1) Why not Carey Green as the Mens Coach?

2) Is Pat Summitt more of a man than Carey Green?

3) Could Avery beat you in arm wrestling?

4) Who wins in a fist fight between Ed Gomes and Terry Falwell?

It's ok to discuss ridiculous topics....it's a message board.

Some of people need to seriuosly lighten up.....You take yourselves WAY too seriuosly.

[thepostman]

The most hilarious part of this whole thread is that I know FF4E and he's actually coached both guys and girls basketball.

As crazy as it sounds to have a girl's coach start coaching guys, is it really that far fetched? Sure the game is different but that doesn't mean Green would have hard time transitioning. He has one of the highest winning percentages among NCAA Women's basketball coaches. I'd even argue that he's the most successful coach in LU history, concerning any sport. Additionally, he's one of the greatest at maximizing potential, which is what has been lacking with our men's team.

I think this moves into the number one spot for you in inane posts. DL did a great job with player development.

Dude, Evan Gordon's work ethic was that of an unmotivated Koala bear. Then the kid transferred. His brother is playing in the NBA and Evan could have greatly improved our program. Is all of that Layers fault? Not necessarily, but he didn't do anything to improve the situation.

Are you forgetting all of the injuries that we had this year? I'd argue that we had enough talent to win around 18-19 games and compete for the Big South title. Instead our season was plagued by injuries. Keeping players healthy is part of the coaches job and would effect maximizing potential.

I'm assuming that your idea of "great job with player development" has to do with Jesse Sanders. Almost all of Layer's success is because of Sanders, not the other way around. Without Sanders, I bet we would have hovered around 10 wins each of the last three seasons. Layer didn't have anything to do with his improvement.

When you have recruits like Baird, Vander Pol, Burrus, 2 Sanders, John Brown and you can't at least compete in the worst conference in the country...you aren't maximizing talent.

I've met Layer and he's an awesome person to be around. Additionally, he does an above average job with play calling late in games. However, does he maximize his talent? Absolutely not. Definitely not to the level that Carey Green does.

You aren't even entertaining with your stupidity anymore. This disappoints me

[Purple Haize]

I agree. First DL sucks then he doesn't. I of course am trying to figure out how coaches are responsible for injuries. Are they supposed to be faith healers.
At least he is consistent with his I was for something while still being against it, unless of course I'm for it while still being against it.

[thepostman]

I agree. First DL sucks then he doesn't. I of course am trying to figure out how coaches are responsible for injuries. Are they supposed to be faith healers.
At least he is consistent with his I was for something while still being against it, unless of course I'm for it while still being against it.

he lost me once he tried to put any blame on Evan Gordon on DL.

I have been critical of DL in the past but he did a great job developing talent this year in what was a very tough situation.

I really think he just enjoys arguing and doesn't honestly believe in what he is saying. He just likes playing the role of the martyr.

[Flamesfan4ever]

I know one thing.........Evan Gordon to Liberty University Young Champion is the same as Obama is to NRA card carrying, hockey loving, bowling maniac NASCAR fan !

[olldflame]

I know one thing.........Evan Gordon to Liberty University Young Champion is the same as Obama is to NRA card carrying, hockey loving, bowling maniac NASCAR fan !

Well, we can add this to the mountain of ludicrous, pointless crap you've been posting lately. Evan was raised in a christian home and his father is a Liberty alum who played basketball here. Things didn't work out the way he wanted, and he packed his bags and left. His attitude during the last couple of months he was with the team was disappointing, but the insinuation that somehow he was a thug or something who didn't belong at LU is simply not based in fact.

[jbock13]

The most hilarious part of this whole thread is that I know FF4E.

That really doesn't surprise me much...

[LUconn]

I know one thing.........Evan Gordon to Liberty University Young Champion is the same as Obama is to NRA card carrying, hockey loving, bowling maniac NASCAR fan !

Well, we can add this to the mountain of ludicrous, pointless crap you've been posting lately. Evan was raised in a christian home and his father is a Liberty alum who played basketball here. Things didn't work out the way he wanted, and he packed his bags and left. His attitude during the last couple of months he was with the team was disappointing, but the insinuation that somehow he was a thug or something who didn't belong at LU is simply not based in fact.

Seriously. Now you're just being malicious. But you played basketball in high school, so you're more qualified to comment on these things than the rest of the folks who actually know things about this program

[Hold My Own]

Was that to Olld or CJ?

Evan was a headache...my 2 cents

[BJWilliams]

Was that to Olld or CJ?

Evan was a headache...my 2 cents

I think it was to FF4E who has been quite the troll from his first post

[Hold My Own]

RICK REEVES ISNT WALKING THROUGH THAT DOOR

MEL HANKINSON ISNT WALKING THROUGH THAT DOOR

RANDY DUNTON ISNT WALKING THROUGH THAT DOOR (for a 4th time)

[Purple Haize]

RICK REEVES ISNT WALKING THROUGH THAT DOOR

MEL HANKINSON ISNT WALKING THROUGH THAT DOOR

RANDY DUNTON ISNT WALKING THROUGH THAT DOOR (for a 4th time)

JEFF MEYER ISN'T WALKING THROUGH THAT DOOR

DALE GIBSON ISN'T WALKING THROUGH THAT DOOR

[Hold My Own]

BECAUSE KIM GRAHAM ISNT WALKING THROUGH THAT DOOR

[Purple Haize]

BECAUSE KIM GRAHAM ISNT WALKING THROUGH THAT DOOR

TOM PARK ISN'T WALKING THROUGH THAT DOOR

CHUCK BIRCH ISN'T WALKING THROUGH THAT DOOR