[olldflame]

As usual checkers, you are cherry-picking stats to support your position. Sure BJ had pretty good numbers in the games we WON, and that was a big reason why we won them. Having said that, we lost half of our games, and in most of those he played very poorly; (ie: zero points at High Point, 5 at VMI).

It will be tougher next year without him, but it is not the disaster some are making it out to be.

What will happen with this new batch of recruits remains to be seen, but I have a feeling that they all have a much better idea of what they are "getting into" than BJ did, and for the most part are coming BECAUSE of it, not IN SPITE of it.

[Knucklehead]

Great Post Oldflame!

[jcmanson]

Come on guys - Losing BJ is a big deal no matter how you slice it. If we have learned anything in the past, it has to be that you can't count of Freshman. We could have the best talent on paper in the country, but until they get here and show that they can play at this level - they will be little help to us. Anthony Smith is going to see double teams every night and we are still going to lack a true center with size. I'm personally not a fan of "one dimensional Anderson, and without experience on the court - he won't get a lot of good open looks. Ohman is a very emotional player and I'm not sure he is going to respond well coming out being the man next year.

Since when was Ohman going to be “the man”?

Yes we again are going to lack a true center by all indications of Smith and Carter’s game, but you can’t say we won’t have size. When was the last time we had 2 6’10” guys that could play alongside each other?

["R" i "]

I am going to miss watching BJ play. He was a great rebounder and he played with a ton of charisma. However this was a smart move for him career wise.
Even if he did like liberty, he was going to see is role decrease over the next few years IMHO. In a three point shooting offense, we need a two guard that can knock it down.

If he goes to VCU, we might be seeing him very soon .

[flameshaw]

Which players are going to be better than BJ? You are under appreciating what he got done.

You are trying to turn this on me and make me say that losing BJ isn't a huge loss. You want me to bash BJ. I'm not doing that. However, the freshmen coming in have a ton of potential. If you'd read and put your vendetta aside, you would see that I said they may eventually be better than BJ. I didn't say it was definite. I didn't said it would happen next year. That isn't that far of a stretch to say.

A personal vendetta? How about consistency and facts. In our eight BSC wins BJ averaged 13 ppg, an incredible 6 rebs and 4 assist. Those are tremendous numbers for a sophomore.

It appears that you go to any length to cast a negative on anybody who disagrees with your positive framing of issues. Our insight is always tainted and your is always enlightened. This program took a big hit. Those numbers are not easily replaced especially when BJ had two years remaining and most likely would have only gotten more consistent in performance.

I have no vendetta just an opinion. The consistency of my opinion is that good men were wronged. It happened to me many years ago in a "christian organization" and if it happens to you one day your understanding will be enlightened as to the tough side of the these actions.

I guess that explains the bitterness.

[Knucklehead]

It explains the bitterness true, but the unwillingness to move on is disturbing. I don't get it. CM why dont you write a long exhaustive note on what happened to you and your friends and we'll try to intervene with counseling for you!

[paradox]

What the world needs now is love, sweet love.

[SuperJon]

Which players are going to be better than BJ? You are under appreciating what he got done.

You are trying to turn this on me and make me say that losing BJ isn't a huge loss. You want me to bash BJ. I'm not doing that. However, the freshmen coming in have a ton of potential. If you'd read and put your vendetta aside, you would see that I said they may eventually be better than BJ. I didn't say it was definite. I didn't said it would happen next year. That isn't that far of a stretch to say.

A personal vendetta? How about consistency and facts. In our eight BSC wins BJ averaged 13 ppg, an incredible 6 rebs and 4 assist. Those are tremendous numbers for a sophomore.

It appears that you go to any length to cast a negative on anybody who disagrees with your positive framing of issues. Our insight is always tainted and your is always enlightened. This program took a big hit. Those numbers are not easily replaced especially when BJ had two years remaining and most likely would have only gotten more consistent in performance.

I have no vendetta just an opinion. The consistency of my opinion is that good men were wronged. It happened to me many years ago in a "christian organization" and if it happens to you one day your understanding will be enlightened as to the tough side of the these actions.

Where have I tried to say this was a good thing? Where have I said this wasn't going to hurt us? Can you not read? Are you that stupid? I have said this is going to hurt us next year, and hurt us a lot.

[olldflame]

Come on guys - Losing BJ is a big deal no matter how you slice it. If we have learned anything in the past, it has to be that you can't count of Freshman. We could have the best talent on paper in the country, but until they get here and show that they can play at this level - they will be little help to us. Anthony Smith is going to see double teams every night and we are still going to lack a true center with size. I'm personally not a fan of "one dimensional Anderson, and without experience on the court - he won't get a lot of good open looks. Ohman is a very emotional player and I'm not sure he is going to respond well coming out being the man next year.

Since when was Ohman going to be “the man”?

Yes we again are going to lack a true center by all indications of Smith and Carter’s game, but you can’t say we won’t have size. When was the last time we had 2 6’10” guys that could play alongside each other?

That would be Aluma and Dixon in 94-95. We have tried a couple of times since (the ill fated Adam Hopkins experiment), but never had a player with that kind of size who had the combination of offensive skill and defensive quickness to play away from the basket, which Dixon could do. I think all 3 of our bigs next year will be able to do this, with the issue being whether they can give enough of a post presence. Also, McMasters will likely be our best shot-blocker since Aluma.

[jcmanson]

Exactly, oldflame. With as much talk as we are all doing, the bottom line is the next 4 years could be lots of fun!

[Knucklehead]

With that Oldflame and Manson have put a huge smile on my face. I think next year could be an annoying rollercoaster ride with moments of brilliance. The following 3 years could be VERY special! Go Flames!

My only question is how will Checkers react if we are right and it goes well?

[inthebeginning]

You are trying to turn this on me and make me say that losing BJ isn't a huge loss. You want me to bash BJ. I'm not doing that. However, the freshmen coming in have a ton of potential. If you'd read and put your vendetta aside, you would see that I said they may eventually be better than BJ. I didn't say it was definite. I didn't said it would happen next year. That isn't that far of a stretch to say.

A personal vendetta? How about consistency and facts. In our eight BSC wins BJ averaged 13 ppg, an incredible 6 rebs and 4 assist. Those are tremendous numbers for a sophomore.

It appears that you go to any length to cast a negative on anybody who disagrees with your positive framing of issues. Our insight is always tainted and your is always enlightened. This program took a big hit. Those numbers are not easily replaced especially when BJ had two years remaining and most likely would have only gotten more consistent in performance.

I have no vendetta just an opinion. The consistency of my opinion is that good men were wronged. It happened to me many years ago in a "christian organization" and if it happens to you one day your understanding will be enlightened as to the tough side of the these actions.

I guess that explains the bitterness.

There certrainly is alot of merit in CM caring about how people are treated. I don't equate bitterness with a position. We have enemies as a country and there are times to step up and challenges wrongs in our institution instead of blindly supporting policies and decisions.

Flameshaw your arrogance toward these issues is surprising.

[RagingTireFire]

There certrainly is alot of merit in CM caring about how people are treated.

The rest of your post made little to no sense at all but, thanks to you, I do now have a completely different mental image of dear dear Checkmate.



"Checkmate wuvs evewybody."

[TDDance234]

[quote="Knucklehead"] I think next year could be an annoying rollercoaster ride with moments of brilliance. The following 3 years could be VERY special! Go Flames! [\quote]

They could be special or they could end up with us having the same discussion. There are a lot of freshman on this roster and not all of them may get a chance to be on the court as much as they would want too. I hope it doesn't end up in a situation like BJ where he feels like he's getting crunched out of the lineup.

[flameshaw]

There certrainly is alot of merit in CM caring about how people are treated.

The rest of your post made little to no sense at all but, thanks to you, I do now have a completely different mental image of dear dear Checkmate.



"Checkmate wuvs evewybody."

[Bigsouthking]

[quote="paradox"]I think that Sanders grabbed nearly 10 a game, playing point gaurd.

OK -- I don't want to bust on anyone's recruits, but the Sanders kid did play in a home-schooled league... just be careful where you hype, ex. Russell Monroe, Jeremy Day, Nathan Day all played home school ball and only Nathan had a decent 1 or 2 years for LU.

[Schfourteenteen]

I think that Sanders grabbed nearly 10 a game, playing point gaurd.

OK -- I don't want to bust on anyone's recruits, but the Sanders kid did play in a home-schooled league... just be careful where you hype, ex. Russell Monroe, Jeremy Day, Nathan Day all played home school ball and only Nathan had a decent 1 or 2 years for LU.

I think someone pointed out that the homeschooled team he played for is a top Houston team

[olldflame]

I think that Sanders grabbed nearly 10 a game, playing point gaurd.

OK -- I don't want to bust on anyone's recruits, but the Sanders kid did play in a home-schooled league... just be careful where you hype, ex. Russell Monroe, Jeremy Day, Nathan Day all played home school ball and only Nathan had a decent 1 or 2 years for LU.

I trust Sly on this one. The home-school program Jesse was in plays at a very high level. It's nothing like where Russ played.

BTW, Jeremy Day had a very good Freshman year before back problems pretty much ended his career.

[LUFlamer09]

Any word on where BJ's headed?

[coolhandluke]

I have heard George Mason and a few other VA teams like ODU and VCU and William and Mary.

Also, it could be possible that he will follow Layer to Marquette.

[SuperJon]

Are you just spewing out random crap? Marquette? Are you serious?

[whmatthews]

I love BJ, and I thought he was great on OUR team... but, I don't know if he could play at Marquette.

[coolhandluke]

That was actually a joke. But I did hear the other four as actual possibilities.

[flamefan]

ill check on vcu...ive got a source in their basketball department, vcu has a lot of young guards A Grant likes a ton so it might be another LU type situation there....i could see him at GMU more so than w&m or odu.

[ATrain]

I'm doubting W&M, but I could see GMU, ODU or VCU.