[olldflame]

Carey Green?

lol

Not the first time that possibility has been mentioned for Carey as well as Reeves before him. Yes, he has had great success as a women's coach, but the women's game has as many differences from the men's game as similarities, both on and off the court. There is some precedent for coaches successfully moving from MBB to WBB, but almost none in the other direction. Add to that the fact that Green is not exactly a Spring chicken, and I would say there is little to no chance he is even interested.

[olldflame]

What has Stith proven at the college level? You would be willing to turn a program over to him with only Brunswick HS experience. Once his own kids graduate who would he have to coach? Has he signed any D 1 players that's not related to him? Could he sign any kids outside of VA?

Big names, NBA experience don't get it done in the bus league of the Big South. Pressures of winning a conference tournament, some guys don't know how to handle it.

Williford at UVA would be a better choice than Stith, but RMK & Soucie maybe jealous.

Speaking of Soucie.............. Surprised his name hasn't come up before in this discussion. Word is he really wanted the job and was prepared to cut the apron strings with RMK if it were offered when Ritchie left. He fits the profile. I'm pretty sure when he left to take the basketball ops job at UVA he figured by now he would have an assistant coaching job there. Those jobs went to the beforementioned Williford and Ron Sanchez. He currently holds the title of Director of Player Development.

[jinxy]

We need to cut ties from the whole mckay soucie eaker layer group. Plenty of other candidates out there.

[VAGolf]

Carey Green?

I chortle audibly.

Not the first time that possibility has been mentioned for Carey as well as Reeves before him. Yes, he has had great success as a women's coach, but the women's game has as many differences from the men's game as similarities, both on and off the court. There is some precedent for coaches successfully moving from MBB to WBB, but almost none in the other direction. Add to that the fact that Green is not exactly a Spring chicken, and I would say there is little to no chance he is even interested.

Yeah, I'm sure there is no way that Carey has the intelligence to switch from women's basketball to men's basketball. There is basically no way a coach can have the ability to understand women's basketball and then transition into understanding men's basketball. Greene would be soooo much worse than Layer.

[olldflame]

OK genius. If it's so easy to do, let's see the list of coaches who have done it at the D1 level. You also are overlooking the fact that the man will be 59 years old in March. I can speak from experience on the difficulty of old dogs learning new tricks. You can't.

[Purple Haize]

Carey Green?

I chortle audibly.

Not the first time that possibility has been mentioned for Carey as well as Reeves before him. Yes, he has had great success as a women's coach, but the women's game has as many differences from the men's game as similarities, both on and off the court. There is some precedent for coaches successfully moving from MBB to WBB, but almost none in the other direction. Add to that the fact that Green is not exactly a Spring chicken, and I would say there is little to no chance he is even interested.

Yeah, I'm sure there is no way that Carey has the intelligence to switch from women's basketball to men's basketball. There is basically no way a coach can have the ability to understand women's basketball and then transition into understanding men's basketball. Greene would be soooo much worse than Layer.

It's not a matter of intelligence but a matter of temperament . You can not treat female players the same way you treat make players. There are also schematic things that will work with one group but not the other. Mostly, it's about temperament. You also have the misogynistic side of the Men's game that will always look down on Womens coaches.

(Yes. San Antonio has a female assistant but that's a different ball game)

[ballcoach15]

Jinxy. good post above on cutting ties. The quicker the better .

[comet]

As much as Dunton's petition-gate frustrated me, I'm still a Jeff Meyer fan.

Since Meyer left the Liberty bench at the start of the 97-98 season, the Flames have only finished above .500 just four times (ironically, their 2013 run to the First Four was not during an above .500 season). This lackluster stretch included coaches Dunton, Hankinson, McKay and Layer.

Under Meyer, the team was above .500 for five of its first six seasons in the Big South (including a berth in March Madness in 1994). Admittedly, the first few years at the DI level were rough, with three straight losing seasons as an independent. Meyer had previously coached the Flames to four winning years out of five in the DII Mason-Dixon Conference and two winning seasons in NAIA. All told, Meyer was 259-206 overall at Liberty.

In the past 10 years, Meyer has been an assistant with Missouri, Indiana and now Michigan.

He's still a young 60 years old.

[thepostman]

Would Meyer ever agree to coming back though? That is a serious question.

I am much too young to remember his days at LU but it seems to me he was the only guy who had sustained success with LU men's basketball.

I doubt if we make a change this off season we will be going back to former coaches anyways, but it is an interesting conversation since clearly nothing will happen until the off season if at all.

[Purple Haize]

As much as Dunton's petition-gate frustrated me, I'm still a Jeff Meyer fan.

Since Meyer left the Liberty bench at the start of the 97-98 season, the Flames have only finished above .500 just four times (ironically, their 2013 run to the First Four was not during an above .500 season). This lackluster stretch included coaches Dunton, Hankinson, McKay and Layer.

Under Meyer, the team was above .500 for five of its first six seasons in the Big South (including a berth in March Madness in 1994). Admittedly, the first few years at the DI level were rough, with three straight losing seasons as an independent. Meyer had previously coached the Flames to four winning years out of five in the DII Mason-Dixon Conference and two winning seasons in NAIA. All told, Meyer was 259-206 overall at Liberty.

In the past 10 years, Meyer has been an assistant with Missouri, Indiana and now Michigan.

He's still a young 60 years old.

Even though already mentioned, a lot actually, this post could have been made without violating the rule
Therefore : Jeff Meyer

[VAGolf]

OK genius. If it's so easy to do, let's see the list of coaches who have done it at the D1 level. You also are overlooking the fact that the man will be 59 years old in March. I can speak from experience on the difficulty of old dogs learning new tricks. You can't.

Pete Carrol re-invented himself after USC. Mike Krzyzewski has changed his style. As have many other coaches. The old dog cliche is just stupid. People re-invent themselves and adjust to changed circumstances all the time. It's a basketball.

The problem with Liberty is that if something hasn't been proven before, they are completely hesitant to that idea. I would just appreciate some creativity from the school. Carey Greene doesn't have to be the answer but being completely ignorant of any "out of the box" thinking is a recipe for disaster.

[comet]

Purple Haize, enlighten me to the rule?

And, yes, Meyer's name has mentioned a lot. But simply dropping a name is different from making a case.

[olldflame]

Jinxy. good post above on cutting ties. The quicker the better .

McKay/Soucie were 39-28 in 2 years at LU and when they left the interest in the program was the highest that it has been in the last 10 years. As far as cutting ties are concerned, I don't see where any exist currently to cut. The issue is whether we would want either of them to be our coach, and personally I think they are both options that should be on the table. Hire McKay and you probably get both.

[olldflame]

OK genius. If it's so easy to do, let's see the list of coaches who have done it at the D1 level. You also are overlooking the fact that the man will be 59 years old in March. I can speak from experience on the difficulty of old dogs learning new tricks. You can't.

Pete Carrol re-invented himself after USC. Mike Krzyzewski has changed his style. As have many other coaches. The old dog cliche is just stupid. People re-invent themselves and adjust to changed circumstances all the time. It's a basketball.

The problem with Liberty is that if something hasn't been proven before, they are completely hesitant to that idea. I would just appreciate some creativity from the school. Carey Greene doesn't have to be the answer but being completely ignorant of any "out of the box" thinking is a recipe for disaster.

Pretty weak effort at deflecting the issue. Couldn't come up with even one actual example? Please grasshopper, don't even try to tell me about making major life adjustments in your late 50s/60s. I'm living it. My main point was that I would be extremely surprised if he had even a bit of interest in the job. Not sure how you make the jump from saying Carey Green is probably not the answer to being "ignorant" of all non-conventional thinking.

[VAGolf]

Never said Carey Greene probably isn't the answer. I said he doesn't have to be.

My point doesn't have to do with Carey Greene being the men's coach. My point has to do with LU being resistant to trying anything new that hasn't been proven before. Nobody had proven the fly sweep offense when Bob Stitt utilized it. He went out on a limb, and had some success. Organizations who resists creativity will always struggle.

[ballcoach15]

After McKay bailed out on Liberty, I just cannot see him returning. Now granted he had LU headed in right direction when he was here.

[jack_sparrow81]

He had the program in the right direction? Signature wins? Conference championships? In all honestly, what did he really accomplish here.

[Purple Haize]

Purple Haize, enlighten me to the rule?

And, yes, Meyer's name has mentioned a lot. But simply dropping a name is different from making a case.

In the past there has always been a contingent that devolved every hoops discussion into a treatise about a former coach. Since so much time has passed since the time he coached here he is as relevant to the current LU Hoops situation as Jeff Meyer. So EVERYTIME his name is mentioned, Jeff Meyers name must also be mentioned.

[SuperJon]

He had the program in the right direction? Signature wins? Conference championships? In all honestly, what did he really accomplish here.

If you don't think things were trending up, you weren't paying attention.

[comet]

McKay accomplished enough to make us wonder, "What if?" And, with the program being mired in sub .500 play over much of the past 15+ years, most fans can't help but wonder, "What if?"

My mind is a little blurry on the Seth Curry deal. Was it McKay that recruited Seth? And, did Seth leave under Layer's tenure? Seth may have been gone regardless, but to even be at the table with such a player is a testament to McKay. And, if I remember correctly, during Mayer's tenure, LU sat across the table from then high school phenom Chris Webber.

[comet]

Purple Haize, enlighten me to the rule?

And, yes, Meyer's name has mentioned a lot. But simply dropping a name is different from making a case.

In the past there has always been a contingent that devolved every hoops discussion into a treatise about a former coach. Since so much time has passed since the time he coached here he is as relevant to the current LU Hoops situation as Jeff Meyer. So EVERYTIME his name is mentioned, Jeff Meyers name must also be mentioned.

I get it. I was there in 1997 when that petition went around. The Vines went from a crazy house to a sad place pretty quickly. I can't help but tie those two guys together.

[Purple Haize]

Purple Haize, enlighten me to the rule?

And, yes, Meyer's name has mentioned a lot. But simply dropping a name is different from making a case.

In the past there has always been a contingent that devolved every hoops discussion into a treatise about a former coach. Since so much time has passed since the time he coached here he is as relevant to the current LU Hoops situation as Jeff Meyer. So EVERYTIME his name is mentioned, Jeff Meyers name must also be mentioned.

I get it. I was there in 1997 when that petition went around. The Vines went from a crazy house to a sad place pretty quickly. I can't help but tie those two guys together.

You are 'new 'and you live in Jersey. You can be forgiven this once
The is benevolent

[Purple Haize]

McKay accomplished enough to make us wonder, "What if?" And, with the program being mired in sub .500 play over much of the past 15+ years, most fans can't help but wonder, "What if?"

My mind is a little blurry on the Seth Curry deal. Was it McKay that recruited Seth? And, did Seth leave under Layer's tenure? Seth may have been gone regardless, but to even be at the table with such a player is a testament to McKay. And, if I remember correctly, during Mayer's tenure, LU sat across the table from then high school phenom Chris Webber.

Urban Legend

[jinxy]

Please, trending up is only true because of how much we stunk. He is not the answer and neither is anyone from his coaching tree. Can we please move on from that group and start fresh. His only feat was getting Seth for one year. He wasn't even really responsible for getting Jesse. The rest of that class was a joke and way overhyped. I don't care about Bo Barnes or Ovie Soko or whoever else he had potentially recruited. Just look at Bonds this year. It's like a broken record on the basketball board. I've never seen another fan base talk so much about the same coaches coming back whether it's Dunton Mckay or Meyer. I don't know much about Meyer but he seems to be the only one of that group that should even get a thought.

[SuperJon]

I'm not saying we go back to him. I'm saying it's unfair to say he did nothing. Yes, he bailed, but he did good things while he was here.