[LUnpretty11]

I was wondering why there was a 30 second TO after that stoppage. That is really stupid.

[ToTheLeft]

But anyways, I'm moving on to High Point, and I would encourage everyone to take the discussion there. If someone wants to refute what I've said, go ahead. But we lost to Radford, and even whining as much as Greenburg won't get it changed. We were a couple of shots or free throws from winning despite the other issues, so...

[blwall1416]

most notably when Amir tripped on his own, fell, slid with the ball on the floor, and then ROLLED OVER ON THE FLOOR so that, when Chris went for the ball he would be fouling him. He traveled twice in three seconds, neither was called, and they called a foul on Chris.

I'm not saying that refs are always correct. That would be asinine. We absolutely make mistakes. I wasn't part of this crew, so I have no idea what was said b/w each of them & the players.

But, this particular play you mentioned, I watched. Not a travel. Amir did not have clear possession going down. Also, you are allowed to slide as far as your momentum carries you. He landed on his right side, then went to his back at the same time that Chris dove on top of him.

As far as 3 secs in the lane, the player would have to be there for around 5 secs to get that called the first time. However, once they had been warned, the onus is on them to get out.

[SuperJon]

One other example:

Dale asks them to check the replay to see if a shot is a three or a two. They charge him a timeout for the stoppage of play.

Greenburg asks them to check and see if someone was behind the line when being fouled in the act. No timeout is charged.

Different situations.

On the one with Coach Layer, he specifically asked for it to be challenged.

On the one with the Radford player, one official signaled two shots and another official signaled three shots. Because of the confusion, the checked the monitor. It wasn't a case of a coach specifically asking for a review.

[SuperJon]

most notably when Amir tripped on his own, fell, slid with the ball on the floor, and then ROLLED OVER ON THE FLOOR so that, when Chris went for the ball he would be fouling him. He traveled twice in three seconds, neither was called, and they called a foul on Chris.

But, this particular play you mentioned, I watched. Not a travel. Amir did not have clear possession going down. Also, you are allowed to slide as far as your momentum carries you. He landed on his right side, then went to his back at the same time that Chris dove on top of him.

Was about to post the same thing but you beat me to it. It was not a travel. However, it should not have been called a foul either. Chris had his hands on the ball before the contact was made. It was not a malicious or even violent contact so the officials should've called a held ball. Instead, they called the foul.

[RUBaseball33]

Okay, from a Radford grad perspective, the "you suck" chant in my opinion, is tasteless, and unfortunately it goes on everywhere. I have an eight year old son and I take him to many sporting events (especially Caps and Nats) and when I hear that chant, I glare at whoever is starting it (if it's nearby) and motion at my son and ask them to stop unless it is out of hand and then you just hope it stops soon. As you can probably tell by my avatar, I played baseball at RU and if there ever was a sport that received the most taunts it is baseball. As a player, if you're in the game you can block it out. As a fan, it is much more obvious what is being said (or rather, chanted).

The convict thing is mean spirited and has no place in college sports. These are not professionals, at least most aren't. I like the "where's my laptop", now that is creative.

I have no problem with USA,USA. No biggie at all. Just like it was mentioned in other posts, it's kind of funny to chant that when one of your best players is from the Ivory Coast.

As for the earlier post regarding the remark about her (I'm assuming it's a female) rear end, you can't assume (get it, ASSume! okay, poor taste and even poorer humor) that it was a RU student when there are over 2000 people at your home event. You also can't blame a whole student body for the act of one person. If she (again, assumption) is upset about that, then what about some of the stuff on this thread regarding STD's. Now that's classless and ignorant and just wrong.

Great game and a great rivalry. I've always liked Liberty and what it stands for. Just don't think that Liberty is immune from being human, too.

I will say with CONVICTion that RU is a wonderful school where I spent some of my best years that I will forever cherish.

Okay, nuff said.

[blwall1416]

Was about to post the same thing but you beat me to it. It was not a travel. However, it should not have been called a foul either. Chris had his hands on the ball before the contact was made. It was not a malicious or even violent contact so the officials should've called a held ball. Instead, they called the foul.

Yeah, I can understand where you're coming from, but that is a textbook play for calling a foul. They put that in there.....anytime someone jumps on top of another during a loose ball, its a foul. It was also a point-of-emphasis one year, IIRC.

[SuperJon]

Was about to post the same thing but you beat me to it. It was not a travel. However, it should not have been called a foul either. Chris had his hands on the ball before the contact was made. It was not a malicious or even violent contact so the officials should've called a held ball. Instead, they called the foul.

Yeah, I can understand where you're coming from, but that is a textbook play for calling a foul. They put that in there.....anytime someone jumps on top of another during a loose ball, its a foul. It was also a point-of-emphasis one year, IIRC.

I guess officials disagree amongst themselves then too.

[blwall1416]

I guess officials disagree amongst themselves then too.

Haha...actually, yeah. Some still have their way of doing things, that's for sure. But, if the supervisor of officials says to call that play a foul, & then some refs don't...they won't be on the staff much longer. You have to ref your league the way the supervisor wants you to ref it.

[SuperJon]

If a held ball occurs before a foul though, shouldn't the held ball be called?

It's just like if a player travels before getting hacked on a lay-up. The travel gets called and the foul in essence never happened.

[blwall1416]

If a held ball occurs before a foul though, shouldn't the held ball be called?

If its a held ball while the player is in the act of diving, the guys I know are going to call the foul.

[ToTheLeft]

most notably when Amir tripped on his own, fell, slid with the ball on the floor, and then ROLLED OVER ON THE FLOOR so that, when Chris went for the ball he would be fouling him. He traveled twice in three seconds, neither was called, and they called a foul on Chris.

But, this particular play you mentioned, I watched. Not a travel. Amir did not have clear possession going down. Also, you are allowed to slide as far as your momentum carries you. He landed on his right side, then went to his back at the same time that Chris dove on top of him.

Was about to post the same thing but you beat me to it. It was not a travel. However, it should not have been called a foul either. Chris had his hands on the ball before the contact was made. It was not a malicious or even violent contact so the officials should've called a held ball. Instead, they called the foul.

Even if the slide wasn't a travel, Amir rolled over on the floor. That is a travel, no? He forced them to cause a foul by covering the ball with his body by moving on the floor.

[ToTheLeft]

Okay, from a Radford grad perspective, the "you suck" chant in my opinion, is tasteless, and unfortunately it goes on everywhere. I have an eight year old son and I take him to many sporting events (especially Caps and Nats) and when I hear that chant, I glare at whoever is starting it (if it's nearby) and motion at my son and ask them to stop unless it is out of hand and then you just hope it stops soon. As you can probably tell by my avatar, I played baseball at RU and if there ever was a sport that received the most taunts it is baseball. As a player, if you're in the game you can block it out. As a fan, it is much more obvious what is being said (or rather, chanted).

The convict thing is mean spirited and has no place in college sports. These are not professionals, at least most aren't. I like the "where's my laptop", now that is creative.

I have no problem with USA,USA. No biggie at all. Just like it was mentioned in other posts, it's kind of funny to chant that when one of your best players is from the Ivory Coast.

As for the earlier post regarding the remark about her (I'm assuming it's a female) rear end, you can't assume (get it, ASSume! okay, poor taste and even poorer humor) that it was a RU student when there are over 2000 people at your home event. You also can't blame a whole student body for the act of one person. If she (again, assumption) is upset about that, then what about some of the stuff on this thread regarding STD's. Now that's classless and ignorant and just wrong.

Great game and a great rivalry. I've always liked Liberty and what it stands for. Just don't think that Liberty is immune from being human, too.

I will say with CONVICTion that RU is a wonderful school where I spent some of my best years that I will forever cherish.

Okay, nuff said.

Like LUConn said earlier, no one means the original meaning of suck when they say it. Just like if you said that Blake Smith stunk from three in the game at Dedmon, you don't mean that he smelled bad. I only refrain from saying sucks because it's a rule. Not because I feel it's wrong on a personal level. If my buddy gets an F on a test, and I say "Dude, that sucks", I'm really not referring to the meaning of sucks that you are thinking of. There are a lot of words and things that, when you look at their origin, have tainted pasts, however, today they've become a separate entity. Regardless, I know I won't be able to convince anyone that sucks really isn't that offensive if they are offended by it, so it's moot, and I'm sorry for dragging it out. Just wanted to let you know the stance of the average 18-20something college kid, especially at LU.

And no, it was a group of four guys, all in our LU shirts, and there were Radford fans in the car. There was no mistaking what was going on. And we can go back and forth on what some of our fans say about the other school, but neither one is very classy when it comes to this rivalry. I just know that my experiences at Dedmon involved a lot of things much worse than what we say at LU.

And convict is not mean spirited. What else can we say? If Amir didn't want us to be "mean-spirited" to him, then don't commit a felony! If we were making fun of him for his race, appearance, or something like a speech impediment, or what have you, that's one thing. That's a personal attack. We were simply pointing out what he became as the result of an action that he willingly partook in. He chose to become a criminal. We chose to remind him. I'm sure he wasn't really that upset, if anything he thought we were stupid.

[olldflame]

For those who are defending the use of "you s**k" because it means something different to you; is it then OK to call someone a MF, since you aren't actually accusing him of having sex with his mother? You have to draw the line somewhere, and I think there are plenty of options without pushing the envelope of being offensive.

[ToTheLeft]

For those who are defending the use of "you s**k" because it means something different to you; is it then OK to call someone a MF, since you aren't actually accusing him of having sex with his mother? You have to draw the line somewhere, and I think there are plenty of options without pushing the envelope of being offensive.

Sorry man, but I just don't see it. But it's a rule, so I follow it.

[jcmanson]

Dr. Falwell asked us repeatedly to never say "you suck". Because of that I will never be glad to hear an LU student say it in a public setting like a sporting event.


But are we seriously still talking about this?

[ToTheLeft]

Dr. Falwell asked us repeatedly to never say "you suck". Because of that I will never be glad to hear an LU student say it in a public setting like a sporting event.


But are we seriously still talking about this?

Like I said, I don't say it, because it's a rule. Sorry to drag it out.

[RUBaseball33]

I don't care about he literal meaning of it. I just don't want my child to hear it and repeat it as if it were okay. That is my point. If only adults were attending, I could care less.

By the way, Amir's act was a misdemeanor, not a felony. That was the legal verdict. Please get your story right before you start slandering.

Finally, don't tell me about RU being far worse than LU when it comes to the trash. I'm sure it can get bad on both sides. I also can tell you about a few disgusting verbal attacks thrown at RU's women's basketball team a couple of years ago that I witnessed myself about sexual orientation and couldn't believe what I was hearing, so don't accuse one side of being worse.

[SuperJon]

Even if the slide wasn't a travel, Amir rolled over on the floor. That is a travel, no? He forced them to cause a foul by covering the ball with his body by moving on the floor.

If you go from your back to your stomach or vise versa then yes, it's an absolute travel. It's apparently a very big grey area if you're on you're side. Some officials will allow you to "complete" the slide by going onto your back or your stomach. Also, in the situation we're talking about specifically, Amir never rolled until Chris was touching the ball or hitting him.

[SuperJon]

Misdemeanor or felony, once you are convicted of a crime you are from that point a convict.

[ToTheLeft]

I don't care about he literal meaning of it. I just don't want my child to hear it and repeat it as if it were okay. That is my point. If only adults were attending, I could care less.

By the way, Amir's act was a misdemeanor, not a felony. That was the legal verdict. Please get your story right before you start slandering.

Finally, don't tell me about RU being far worse than LU when it comes to the trash. I'm sure it can get bad on both sides. I also can tell you about a few disgusting verbal attacks thrown at RU's women's basketball team a couple of years ago that I witnessed myself about sexual orientation and couldn't believe what I was hearing, so don't accuse one side of being worse.

Whatever you say... I'll let your words be the last ones, since there's no way of convincing you of anything. Glad we don't have to go against Art again. Peace.

[#10]

Super John - I know your current position at LU. I was just trying to say that back in your Lunatic era you had class and imagination - something the current gang is lacking.
What's wrong with setting the standard for fun and quality heckling?
Is "Convict" the best you college boys can come up with?

[ToTheLeft]

Super John - I know your current position at LU. I was just trying to say that back in your Lunatic era you had class and imagination - something the current gang is lacking.
What's wrong with setting the standard for fun and quality heckling?
Is "Convict" the best you college boys can come up with?

Jon isn't/wasn't the only creative input to the club. And by your definition of "class", he is on the same level as the current creative input, since we use the same chants and phrases he used while he was in the stands.

And for the record... Jon was the one, pre-game, who told us to do the convict chant. I was in opposition, thinking we should do something to get more people involved.

Oh well. I guess I'm terrible as a LUnatic. I'll just not do anything anymore, and we'll see how everyone likes that. Maybe we'll even sit down, so we're not in anyone's way. Don't want to distract from anything.

[SuperJon]

Yeah, I don't think convict is over the line. It's public record and is something that anyone following Big South basketball would know. That's actually the only thing I've suggested this entire year that has been done, but I'm guessing that has more to do with other people wanting to do it than me suggesting it.

[ToTheLeft]

I agree. I have stated I didn't think it was "wrong". I just wanted to get the crowd more into the game with a chant more simple, and that everyone would pick up on. But my point was that this person, is sadly mistaken when it comes to your, and our, "class", and it is a shot to the ribs to hear that, since "Jon is gone, the LUnatics stink", even tho we've had some great stuff this year... Imagine if we weren't at games, guys. There are usually 1000 or less students at games. Over half don't care about the game at all. And the fans all around us, that would take over the front row if the LUnatics weren't there, say "sucks" five to ten times as much as the LUnatics who don't follow the rules do, and they don't know a thing about basketball, and tend to get mad at our players, yelling, out loud, to the players and telling them they did something wrong, or that they "suck".