[SuperJon]

Hey SJ, saw you on the tube just as they were going off the air. You are a real camera magnet man.

It's not hard when you sit in the right places and are the only one that's "dressed up."


We sucked. That was downright horrible.

I hate Marshall. I really do. When I read the Left Behind series, and it mentions Nicolae Carpathia, I think of Marshall.

Ok, maybe that's a bit much.

He's just so arrogant (rightly so considering how good his team is) that I want to punch him in the face. He stared us down quite a bit tonight.


The refs were atrocious. We still sucked.


Brew was a spark plug off the bench, and then he was yanked. Explain that one to me.

Did I mention we sucked?

Coach winked at me again. That's the second time he's done that. It scares me each time.

The crowd was actually decent. It was mainly rec league basketball kids but it was a decent sized crowd for no students being there.


Larry is one of our worst players right now. He shot 1-11 in the first half. He had a better second half to bring his shooting percentage to 25% on the night. He's jacking up the dumbest shots I've ever seen and no one says anything to him. He's also taking a ton of plays off on the defensive end. He's the face of the program and I expect more from him. He's shooting 41.6% on the year. He has thrown up 296 shots on the year. To put that in perspective, that's 115 shots more than the next closest person. To put that into even more perspective, only three players have shot over 100 shots this year. That's unacceptable.

I'm scared when we might win our next game.

[jmdickens]

Yeah, that's right.....I spiked SJ's water with hateraide......get over it

[SuperJon]

No, it's not Hateraide. It's being realistic. Nothing I said wasn't true. I had stats to back up the thing with Larry. You can spin things any way you want but the results don't lie. We're 4-10 against Division I teams. That's just bad.

[jmdickens]

I agree in every way.......

[jmdickens]

I am just saying.....we SHOULD be better........Look at what we have....from people on here the #1 recruiting class, the best player in LB, and a Great Coach . Those things on every other team except for ours equal a championship team....look where we are at

[SuperJon]

We have no offense. We can't create shots. We stand around half of the time and wait for someone to do something. We try to run motion but we were completely schooled in the motion offense tonight.

[SuperJon]

Apparently we have no defense either:

Winthrop shot 53.3 percent from the field in the opening half on 16-of-30 shooting. The Flames struggle going 6-of-24 from the field while shooting only 25 percent from the floor. The half marked the eighth time in the last 11 halves the Flames have allowed an opponent to shoot over 50 percent.

We can't rebound either:

The Eagles outrebounded the Flames by an impressive 48-30 margin and their stingy defense limited Liberty to 28.6 percent from the field on 14-of-49 shooting. The 28.6 percent shooting mark serves as Liberty’s lowest of the season. The Flames previous low was 30.2 percent in the season opener at Oklahoma.

[thepostman]

I got to the game about a minute into it....a friend of mine was back in town so he came with me...

anyways, its the same old story....larry blair has always jacked up shots, but he use to make more of them...but i think now he is trying to be too cute.....he;s got to realize its not working

the refs were weird.....they would call the ticky tack fouls, but when some REAL contact was made, no calls...it did go both ways though...so at least they were consistent

I hate Winthrop's coach....he will be gone from Winthrop as soon as he gets a decent offer...he thinks he is God's gift to humanity...he is one of those guys that thinks he's amazing but nobody really likes him as a person, but nobody actually says that to their face...we all know people like that...I hope once he moves up to a major program they suck so bad....

the crowd was decent, i was surprised, too bad we couldn't at least look competitive

I always start any statement about coach D so people realize I do not dislike him...I have always liked the guy, and respect him. But he has totally lost this team...I don't know how it happend, but he has...that is just as much on the players as it is on the coach, but you can't get rid of all the players, so the coach is always the guy to take the fall....I will still wait and see how the rest of the season goes...but I don't see any improvements...

by the way, i like the new screens a lot...the lines you all keep talking about aren't that noticeable when they are on...the sound system is nice, and even though is corporate america taking over, i even liked the Taco Bell signage...

and with that i say goodnight

[jmdickens]

it falls on the coach........where is SCAR??

[TDDance234]

A lot of our problems start with the offense. The whole idea behind the motion offense is that players cut to the basket and move -- this is totally defeated when we start our offense at halfcourt and players just stand there waiting for the ball to come to them.

I'm as big a Blair fan as there is but something has got into him. He is the only one not afraid to take a shot right now. Holland and company passed up several good looks at the basket. The offense has reverted back to the stand around the arc and wait for LB to make a move.

When Brew came in during the second half, he was a manchild. He was throwing people around in the post, blocking shots, going hard to the basket. Something I haven't seen from Brew since he started playing. If benching him woke him up, then good. He was almost unstoppable during that second half run. He even punked a kid from Winthrop after he beasted (for you, Manger) in the post.

[Sly Fox]

From Chris ...

Winthrop rips Liberty despite missing its best player

By Chris Lang
Lynchburg News & Advance
January 14, 2007

There was a glimmer of hope in Liberty coach Randy Dunton's eyes Friday at practice once he realized there was little chance Winthrop guard Torrell Martin would suit up for Saturday's game with the Flames at the Vines Center.

Martin, the Big South preseason player of year, indeed was on the bench, his sprained foot encased in a protective boot. It didn't really matter. Winthrop has a chance to be the best team this conference has seen, and it's not just because of one player.

Led by center Craig Bradshaw and guard Michael Jenkins, the Eagles opened a double-digit lead 10 minutes into Saturday's game and resoundingly whipped the Flames 68-40.

Martin, assuredly, didn't mind the rest.

"That was an old fashioned heinie whooping," Dunton said. "We usually play them pretty tough. That just wasn't us."

Since stunning Winthrop at Vines Center last February, Liberty hasn't mounted much of a fight against the Eagles (13-4, 3-0 Big South). Winthrop routed Liberty by 41 points in the quarterfinals of the Big South tournament last February and dominated the Flames (7-10, 1-2) so thoroughly Saturday that Liberty was in danger of setting a record for offensive futility.

Winthrop opened the game on a 9-2 run and led by 33 with 5:20 left in the game, allowing Eagles coach Gregg Marshall to empty his bench.

Dwight Brewington's layup with 2:24 remaining gave Liberty its 40th point, allowing the Flames to avoid matching its lowest point total in the Division I era (38, set against College of Charleston in January, 1991).

"Yeah, we came out fired up," said Bradshaw, who had 16 points, seven rebounds, three assists and two blocked shots. "We wanted to prove a point."

The Eagles proved it with a physical, hard-screening offense and sticky man defense. They moved the ball efficiently, scoring on several backdoor layups. Bradshaw fronted Liberty center Alex McLean so well that the Flames rarely could get an entry pass into the post.

"You could reduce that first half to who screened better," Dunton said. "Their screening was much more physical than ours, and it created better opportunities for them. Our screening was ineffective, so it allowed their guys to stay in better defensive position."

With Martin out, Bradshaw and Jenkins took the offensive charge. Bradshaw hit 8 of 10 field goals, including a buzzer-beating jumper from the free-throw line to give the Eagles a 39-15 lead at the break.

Jenkins, the Big South's leading 3-point shooter, hit 3 of 8 from long range and scored 15 points.

Liberty's Larry Blair, who scored 13 points on 5 of 20 shooting, said Winthrop executed its sets better than anyone the Flames have played to date. With Martin out - "it looks like for a while," Marshall said - that crisp execution was key.

"He's a tremendous player, and it's hard to replace him," Marshall said. "But these guys are stepping up."

Dunton bemoaned his team's lack of toughness, much like he did last Saturday after a loss at UNC Asheville. Anthony Smith, Liberty's third-leading scorer, was held to two points and missed all five of his field goal attempts. Lauded as a defensive stopper, he gave Jenkins far too much cushion to work with, and the Winthrop junior made him pay.

"It was a lack of Anthony being on his 'A' game," Dunton said. "Jenkins brought it, and Anthony didn't respond. We were matched up, certainly, feeling like we had one of the best defensive players in the league. He just wasn't there tonight."

TIP-INS: Brewington, who missed Tuesday's game against Radford with a sore shooting hand, entered midway through the first half. He scored four points and blocked two shots. * Both teams were awful at the free throw line. Winthrop was 12 of 28; Liberty was 11 of 23.

* Liberty travels Wednesday to face the league's other unbeaten team, High Point (3-0). LU has lost 19 straight road games.

http://newsadvance.com/servlet/Satellit ... th=!sports

[pbow]

it's time for Dunton to go...the game was a complete disgrace and embarassment

[SuperJon]

"You could reduce that first half to who screened better," Dunton said. "Their screening was much more physical than ours, and it created better opportunities for them. Our screening was ineffective, so it allowed their guys to stay in better defensive position."

It was screening? It wasn't LB going 1-11? It wasn't getting completely out rebounded on both ends? We better be working on our screening tomorrow.

[thesportscritic]

Winthrop got through our screens easily and they were switching off screens at times too. WU's picks was very crisp and LU had a hard time getting off of them.

[TDDance234]

That was WU's whole offense. Run a backscreen for whoever was running the baseline for the wide open three. It's the Reggie Miller play.

[horrez]

I hate Winthrop's coach....he will be gone from Winthrop as soon as he gets a decent offer...he thinks he is God's gift to humanity...he is one of those guys that thinks he's amazing but nobody really likes him as a person, but nobody actually says that to their face...we all know people like that...I hope once he moves up to a major program they suck so bad....

I'm sure some of this has to do with you being bitter about the loss, but you are wrong (at least about some of what you said). I have family who have known him since his time as an assistant coach at the College of Charleston and they think he is a great guy (and I know a lot of other people who feel the same way). I don't know him as well, but the times I have talked to him he has been very nice. Still, I can see why fans of other teams wouldn't like him.

For what it's worth, there are people out there who say the same things about Jerry Falwell that you say about Gregg Marshall (at least the part about "he thinks he is God's gift to humanity...he is one of those guys that thinks he's amazing but nobody really likes him as a person, but nobody actually says that to their face...").

[thepostman]

I hate Winthrop's coach....he will be gone from Winthrop as soon as he gets a decent offer...he thinks he is God's gift to humanity...he is one of those guys that thinks he's amazing but nobody really likes him as a person, but nobody actually says that to their face...we all know people like that...I hope once he moves up to a major program they suck so bad....

I'm sure some of this has to do with you being bitter about the loss, but you are wrong (at least about some of what you said). I have family who have known him since his time as an assistant coach at the College of Charleston and they think he is a great guy (and I know a lot of other people who feel the same way). I don't know him as well, but the times I have talked to him he has been very nice. Still, I can see why fans of other teams wouldn't like him.

For what it's worth, there are people out there who say the same things about Jerry Falwell that you say about Gregg Marshall (at least the part about "he thinks he is God's gift to humanity...he is one of those guys that thinks he's amazing but nobody really likes him as a person, but nobody actually says that to their face...").

part of it is because of the loss...my opinion isn't, but the way I put it was probably because of the loss...as for the Jerry Falwell comment, there is a lot people could say about Jerry Falwell, and I am pretty sure I would agree with a lot of it, some of it I would not....but that really isn't related to our issue, he isn't our basketball coach....but why not take a shot at Jerry, its pretty easy

[jmdickens]

instead of the jerry falwell argument, i would use the RD argument.......I met Marshall and i have more respect for him than Dunton

[thepostman]

instead of the jerry falwell argument, i would use the RD argument.......I met Marshall and i have more respect for him than Dunton

thats because your hatred for Coach D is at an unhealthy level....of course i don't think he is doing the job that needs to be done...but man you really can't stand him as person, and I am not sure why...but whatever...its your call

[PAmedic]

oh man.

just read thru this entire PAINFUL thread.

and I don't really have anything else to say about that.

Bad night all around last night in the Philly metro to begin with.

[jmdickens]

Well, I have met RD and just felt everything he did and said was a lie....Also, Mel Hankinson is a close by neighbor in the small world of North Carolina

[thepostman]

I am not sure where you get the everything is a lie thing, but whatever, you have your opinion and I know you aren't going to change it...its fine, i think Coach D is a good guy and I like him a lot, but I don't think they players are listening to him anymore so he must go because a coach can't lose is players, but I am so sick of these players getting a pass on this whole thing, we turn to the Coach so much, but the players play the game, not the coach....they play like they could care less...and it is just pathetic to watch

[horrez]

part of it is because of the loss...my opinion isn't, but the way I put it was probably because of the loss...as for the Jerry Falwell comment, there is a lot people could say about Jerry Falwell, and I am pretty sure I would agree with a lot of it, some of it I would not....but that really isn't related to our issue, he isn't our basketball coach....but why not take a shot at Jerry, its pretty easy

About as easy as taking a shot at Marshall... who also isn't related to your issue, he isn't your basketball coach.

[jmdickens]

in college it is different....Coaches are everything......players are important....But, in this situation it would be an excuse for the coach to blame the players

[thepostman]

this is the Winthrop game thread right? who is the coach for Winthrop again??

its alright man, take shots at Jerry, it doesn't bother me...I don't agree with a lot of the stuff he does, but when I worked for Liberty and saw him around he never gives off the vibe of "I am better then everybody else"....but he is your coach so you are going to stick up for him, and that is completely understandable, I would do the same if I didn't think our coach was doing a bad job...