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By SuperJon
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It was good to get the win. There were some concerns tonight but we have two weeks to talk about that. Tonight it's just nice to say we won.
By Chippy
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Take the win :D Boys need a break and the week off will help immensely. The D was gassed the second half as they missed a lot of tackles. They only scored 12 points against GWU. KSU had 4 offensive possessions in 2nd half and scored on all of them all though the second team D was in on the last drive. I think we have created 7 TOs in 8 games. Either the opposition is playing flawless or we just aren't putting pressure on the ball. Had a chance for a fumble recovery and an interception but came up empty both times. Pretty good team for a first year program. One done 3 to 8) go
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By BJWilliams
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Id go with the former. They ran their TO very well...the D made just enough plays to keep their distance/

Celebrate the win and lets enjoy the bye week
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By jbock13
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Cool.
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By Cider Jim
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JW promised a WIN and he DELIVERED!!! :clapping
By forbidden
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my take

Offense: did what it was supposed to do, and capable of doing a lot more
Josh still underthrows Dante a lot put it out there and let him go get it
Dez a lot more effective str8 downhill running between tackles than on edges, good to see Macon carry the bacon
Do we still fire Stamn now - the slip and tunnel screens to Petey were brilliant calls

Defense: about B- : still have a few issues to clean up with running qb but all in all they got settled and were more physical than KSU
Chima is a man at this level what can he do at next
O'Grady was trying to rip Qb's head off every chance he got

still have one more option team to defend in CSU so get your minds right
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By Kiwon
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Petey didn't play in the second half again.

Hopefully with an extra week of rest this mysterious "lower body injury that shall not be named" will finally start to heal.

When he's healthy, he's such a weapon.
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By BJWilliams
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Petey had 164 yards in the first half Kiwon...and only attempted 7 passes in the second half. If anything I figure he was getting a break.
By flamehunter
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BJWilliams wrote:Petey had 164 yards in the first half Kiwon...and only attempted 7 passes in the second half. If anything I figure he was getting a break.
If he wasn't hurt he would have played. The game was never really out of reach for KSU. I doubt it was just to rest him.
By phoenix
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Wodrum still has a bad habit of watching his target receiver way to much. There were times that I think EVERYONE in the stadium knew exactly who the pass was going to, because he never looked at another receiver.

I'm happy with the win, and was pleased with the playcalling on offense. That said, we can do better, and will need to to win out.
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By bluejacket
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forbidden wrote:Defense: about B- : still have a few issues to clean up with running qb but all in all they got settled and were more physical than KSU
Chima is a man at this level what can he do at next
O'Grady was trying to rip Qb's head off every chance he got

still have one more option team to defend in CSU so get your minds right
Giving up 35 points to a first year program is a B-? lol
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By BJWilliams
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Actually yes...you have to look deeper than the point total though. While we did give up 35 points, we never really trailed after getting down 7-0 early, and they only had three "explosive" plays. I'd much rather the defense give up a bunch of 3 and 4 yard plays than getting gashed routinely for 10-30+ yard plays
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By bluejacket
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BJWilliams wrote:Actually yes...you have to look deeper than the point total though. While we did give up 35 points, we never really trailed after getting down 7-0 early, and they only had three "explosive" plays. I'd much rather the defense give up a bunch of 3 and 4 yard plays than getting gashed routinely for 10-30+ yard plays
The defense should not be judged by whether we trailed during the game or only by how many explosive plays we gave up. The goal is certainly not to give up 3 or 4 yards per play let alone the nearly 5/attempt that we did. If any team consistently gives up that many rushing yards, you will lose games. We did not force them to attempt any field goals and only forced 2 punts. They were 9/14 in converting on third down.

Overall, a C- effort.
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By Cider Jim
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bluejacket wrote:We did not force them to attempt any field goals and only forced 2 punts.
That's because they were running the option on most fourth downs.
By ATrain
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Cider Jim wrote:JW promised a WIN and he DELIVERED!!! :clapping
He promised FOUR! He's 25% of the way there. Great job by JW and everyone on the team on a good win against a surprisingly strong upstart program.
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By bluejacket
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Cider Jim wrote:That's because they were running the option on most fourth downs.
Agreed. But the defense has to stop them. They were 2/3 on 4th down.
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By BJWilliams
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Yours is a sad existence bluejacket, focusing on the negative. While yes there were things that need improvement over the next couple weeks, its not like we were terrible either. We were playing a brand New opponent in a difficult at times to defend scheme and we did what we had to do to win. Would you have been more effusive if we had say...allowed only 12 points, no fourth downs and less than 33% on third plus less than 300 yards of offense or something?
By forbidden
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bluejacket wrote:
Cider Jim wrote:That's because they were running the option on most fourth downs.
Agreed. But the defense has to stop them. They were 2/3 on 4th down.

And those 4th down chances were all for about 2yds or less, that's almost like saying hey we should still bash JW because if he doesn't leave ball short on at least 2 long balls Shells would have scored two more TD's so offense should grade out at about a C
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By bluejacket
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BJWilliams wrote:Yours is a sad existence bluejacket, focusing on the negative. While yes there were things that need improvement over the next couple weeks, its not like we were terrible either. We were playing a brand New opponent in a difficult at times to defend scheme and we did what we had to do to win. Would you have been more effusive if we had say...allowed only 12 points, no fourth downs and less than 33% on third plus less than 300 yards of offense or something?
Quit blowing sunshine all the time. We haven't played 4 quarters of good football in any game all season.

I was responding to a B- grade for a below average defensive effort. I said nothing about the offense, which was very much improved over the past two weeks.
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By bluejacket
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forbidden wrote:And those 4th down chances were all for about 2yds or less, that's almost like saying hey we should still bash JW because if he doesn't leave ball short on at least 2 long balls Shells would have scored two more TD's so offense should grade out at about a C
The defense was poor. Period. Just like every time we play a running QB or option offense.
By forbidden
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agree that a QB that is mobile has caused us problems just like they cause others problems. Cover downfield QB takes off. Think back to last times going against option teams, LU was gashed by CSU, not this time, better prepared and job was completed. If you know about option at all which I would assume HCTG DOES, then they also know its a very difficult formation in which to defend. 3 yds a pop equals 4th and 1 of course you go for it, then they lull you to sleep and throw over the top. As was stated explosive plays minus 1 were eliminated. But that why I said B- (close to a C) because it was in no way shape form or fashion a C- closing in on a D as you wanted to say.
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By bluejacket
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forbidden wrote:agree that a QB that is mobile has caused us problems just like they cause others problems. Cover downfield QB takes off. Think back to last times going against option teams, LU was gashed by CSU, not this time, better prepared and job was completed. If you know about option at all which I would assume HCTG DOES, then they also know its a very difficult formation in which to defend. 3 yds a pop equals 4th and 1 of course you go for it, then they lull you to sleep and throw over the top. As was stated explosive plays minus 1 were eliminated. But that why I said B- (close to a C) because it was in no way shape form or fashion a C- closing in on a D as you wanted to say.
Of the 4 D-I teams that KSU has played so far, our defense performed the 2nd worst. ETSU was the only one worse. Shorter had a better defensive performance against them than we did.
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