[Yacht Rock]

This pretty much sums it up.

“It could be a marketing ploy and if it is, we will probably overlook it. But if it’s really how the leadership of the company feels and they’re attacking law enforcement and military folks on purpose then why deal with them when there’s plenty of others out there.”

And that quote sums up JR’s naïveté.

[Jonathan Carone]

This pretty much sums it up.

“It could be a marketing ploy and if it is, we will probably overlook it. But if it’s really how the leadership of the company feels and they’re attacking law enforcement and military folks on purpose then why deal with them when there’s plenty of others out there.”

See - that’s where the Trump thinking and the misunderstanding comes through.

This was never anti military.

This was never anti-all law enforcement.

While I think it was out of line and distasteful, Kaepernick explained the pig socks were to represent the rogue police officers, not all of them. Here was his statement on it:

“I wore these socks, in the past, because the rogue cops that are allowed to hold positions in police departments, not only put the community in danger, but also put the cops that have the right intentions in danger by creating an environment of tension and mistrust,”

None of this was ever anti-law enforcement or anti-military. It was anti-bad law enforcement.

When you don’t even acknowledge what the actual protest was about while parroting the issues that Trump made it about, you show a disregard for the whole thing.

[jinxy]

First - yes instant sales are up a few days later. Duh. These are the folks they are targeting. However, it wont last long term. Nike is not a renewable prouduct so it has longer times between purchase. If sales werent up immediately the effort would be a TOTAL fail.

Next- stock prices and market cap. Investors care about dollars and when discourage half the country from buying your product you will inevitably shrink your overrall pool of buyers. Investors dont like that and this is where it will cost nike. When market cap decreases its proven historically regardless of industry that its very difficult to regain.

Next - folks that are leaving nike will remember this far longer and stay away far longer than the hipsters making immediate purchases. Guaranteed.

Finally - in basic business terms driving down your potential pool of buyers and ultimately driving away investors is long term damage. So if nike can offset that with short term gains then maybe im wrong. I dont think so but time will tell.

Also look at the general public reaction to the brand. Prior it was very strong. After its overwhelmingly negative. Ill go find the number again and edit tweet.

Morning consult - prior to campaign. Plus 69 rating in branding. Just 3 days after campaign it dropped to plus 35. Huge drop in just 3 days with over 8000 polled.

[Purple Haize]

I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.
— Colin Kaepernick, former San Francisco 49ers quarterback, Aug. 26, 2016

[JK37]

We have all said an done things, only to find out after the fact that our words or actions were perceived much differently than we realized - some even offensively. And we rightly apologized for offending.

See? No one is judged solely on intent.

Furthermore, I’m not required to acknowledge someone or something. Nor must I hold either in regard.

One is only entitled to an opinion if one can defend it.

And yes, the media absolutely jumped on this and made it a bigger deal than it had to be.

[Jonathan Carone]

Overall sentiment towards Nike dropped (38%) but in the demographic they care about the most, it rise by 40%.

What this tells me is people who are anti-Kaepernick have plenty of data to show how this was a terrible move for Nike and people who are pro-Kaepernick have just as much to show it was a good move. Given Nike’s target crowd of 35 and younger, I’ll be hard pressed to think this was a bad move for them.

[Purple Haize]

He later elaborated on those thoughts, according to the Palm Beach Post's Hal Habib: "One thing that Fidel Castro did do is they have the highest literacy rate because they invest more in their education system than they do in their prison system, which we do not do here, even though we’re fully capable of doing that."
Speaking to the media in advance of the 49ers' Week 12 game against the Miami Dolphins, Kaepernick answered questions about the meaning behind wearing the shirt—a decision some viewed as contradictory since Kaepernick has been outspoken about social injustice, while Castro was responsible for human rights violations against the Cuban people.

Kaepernick told reporters he was "not talking about Fidel Castro and his oppression" and added he was instead "talking about Malcolm X and what he’s done for people."
Habib reported that a writer for the Miami Herald countered Kaepernick's claims by saying Castro broke up Cuban families. At that point, Kaepernick responded by drawing a parallel to the United States prison system.

"We do break up families here," he said. "That’s what mass incarceration is. That was the foundation of slavery, so our country has been based on that as well as the genocide of Native Americans."

[Purple Haize]

After sending condolences to the Castile family, Kaepernick used the social media forum to compare modern police to the runaway slave patrol of the 1700 and 1800s.

“A system that perpetually condones the killing of people, without consequence, doesn't need to be revised, it needs to be dismantled!”

[JK37]

Nike’s online sales jumped 31% after company unveiled Kaepernick campaign. Nike stock has also held up, it’s trading above $80 and is up 29% this year.

[BigRed1]

So if LU doesn’t wear Nike’s it signals to black athletes everywhere that LU doesn’t care about them or black people anywhere?

A school choosing another apparel company doesn’t signal that.

A school getting out of a contract and/or changing providers due to Nike using Kaepernick as the face of a marketing campaign does signal that.[/q Does having an African American football and basketball head coach and many assistants portray us as uncaring for black athletes? Wondering how you qualify to speak for all African Americans and absolutely know how dropping Nike would send this message? You kind of insinuate that anyone who opposes kneeling is a racist and clueless . Anyone who thinks that those opposed to kneeling is someone who doesn’t care about racial equality is clueless about the opposition to it. With all due respect, I think you’re an example of someone who has swallowed hook, line and sinker into the narrative the left spins. To say that by not wearing Nike will send the message to black people everywhere that we don’t care is something I would expect Al Sharpton to say.

[Jonathan Carone]

The other piece of it is that for every older white guy Nike loses who buys $40 shoes once or twice a year, they replace him with someone younger who’s buying $100 shoes 2-3 times each year. That’s a trade off they’re willing to make all day every day.

[Purple Haize]

Nike’s online sales jumped 31% after company unveiled Kaepernick campaign. Nike stock has also held up, it’s trading above $80 and is up 29% this year.

They were down 3% early and had a slight bounce back today. Still down but negligible Today’s online sales saved their bacon this week
But Alabama and Mountaineer fans aren’t going to stop buying apparel because there is a swoosh on it

[Yacht Rock]

So if LU doesn’t wear Nike’s it signals to black athletes everywhere that LU doesn’t care about them or black people anywhere?

A school choosing another apparel company doesn’t signal that.

A school getting out of a contract and/or changing providers due to Nike using Kaepernick as the face of a marketing campaign does signal that.[/q Does having an African American football and basketball head coach and many assistants portray us as uncaring for black athletes? Wondering how you qualify to speak for all African Americans and absolutely know how dropping Nike would send this message? You kind of insinuate that anyone who opposes kneeling is a racist and clueless . Anyone who thinks that those opposed to kneeling is someone who doesn’t care about racial equality is clueless about the opposition to it. With all due respect, I think you’re an example of someone who has swallowed hook, line and sinker into the narrative the left spins. To say that by not wearing Nike will send the message to black people everywhere that we don’t care is something I would expect Al Sharpton to say.

I think Jr’s comments, not even addressing the elephant in the room, is the issue. He’s simply ignoring the issues brought up, which can be perceived as devaluation of those people.

He could say, “Listen, we understand there are issues in society we need to address...but we feel that the anthem is a time we can come together as united...etc...” He could bring up reasons for why Kap maybe is a more controversial choice for a campaign.

There are a lot of ways he could handle this and show that he cares, but his statements demonstrate to me that he lives in a pretty closed off world.

[Purple Haize]

So if LU doesn’t wear Nike’s it signals to black athletes everywhere that LU doesn’t care about them or black people anywhere?

A school choosing another apparel company doesn’t signal that.

A school getting out of a contract and/or changing providers due to Nike using Kaepernick as the face of a marketing campaign does signal that.[/q Does having an African American football and basketball head coach and many assistants portray us as uncaring for black athletes? Wondering how you qualify to speak for all African Americans and absolutely know how dropping Nike would send this message? You kind of insinuate that anyone who opposes kneeling is a racist and clueless . Anyone who thinks that those opposed to kneeling is someone who doesn’t care about racial equality is clueless about the opposition to it. With all due respect, I think you’re an example of someone who has swallowed hook, line and sinker into the narrative the left spins. To say that by not wearing Nike will send the message to black people everywhere that we don’t care is something I would expect Al Sharpton to say.

Simple. Those coaches aren’t “really Black” I’m sure stronger language could be used.
Again that line of reasoning is just ludicrousness

[Jonathan Carone]

Does having an African American football and basketball head coach and many assistants portray us as uncaring for black athletes?

Those coaches we have obviously care about black athletes, but we set those coaches behind the 8-ball when our university president says things that can be taken as racially insensitive. They have to start their recruiting pitches with how black athletes are accepted and welcomed on campus.

Ten years ago I had a coach mention to me that our university recruiting brochures didn’t have enough diversity in them. He told me how that made it hard for him to go into the living room of a black athlete because he didn’t have anything to show to them where they were represented. If he was having that trouble based on brochures, imagine what coaches are dealing with today with the reputation Liberty has.

You kind of insinuate that anyone who opposes kneeling is a racist and clueless . Anyone who thinks that those opposed to kneeling is someone who doesn’t care about racial equality is clueless about the opposition to it.

That’s not my belief at all. You’re allowed to be opposed to kneeling. I don’t even love that he did that.

What shows racial prejudice is refusing to talk about the reasons he knelt in the first place and/or insinuating this was an anti-military act or that he was against all law enforcement. When someone does that, they tell me they’re not willing to set aside their experiences and beliefs to listen (with the intent to understand) someone who is different than them.

[Jonathan Carone]

Nike’s online sales jumped 31% after company unveiled Kaepernick campaign. Nike stock has also held up, it’s trading above $80 and is up 29% this year.

They were down 3% early and had a slight bounce back today. Still down but negligible Today’s online sales saved their bacon this week

To be fair, shoe companies across the board were down 2-3% yesterday. It wasn’t just Nike.

[BigRed1]

I think people’s disdain for Jr. clouds things up. Instead of taking things for face value, people look for something to be offended.

[Purple Haize]

Interesting how this is becoming a thread on CK as opposed to a thread on LU and Nike. Should we switch the title to Colin Kaepernick? I mean I just posted some of his quotes but whether he knelt or not seems irrelevant to the Nike Deal discussion. He has been on Nike’s payroll since 2011 I believe. So, LU has been wearing Nike while Nike has been paying Kaep. The issue at hand IMO now becomes they reupped his contract and made him the face of a morjeting campaign. Thus with CK now being the Face of Nike, people and organizations have to weigh Association with that along with other factors. Not wanting to be a part of it doesn’t make you 1 step from Klan Membership and on the Heinrich Himmler Fan Club Membership List. And agreeing with it doesn’t come with its own personalized halo and bonus Woke Points.
But all hail Nike for making a splash.

[Purple Haize]

Nike’s online sales jumped 31% after company unveiled Kaepernick campaign. Nike stock has also held up, it’s trading above $80 and is up 29% this year.

They were down 3% early and had a slight bounce back today. Still down but negligible Today’s online sales saved their bacon this week

To be fair, shoe companies across the board were down 2-3% yesterday. It wasn’t just Nike.

I didn’t look today but after news broke I wanna say adidas was up and Puma and UA we’re down. LA Gear had still suspended trading. The issue that arises with Nike however, is that after a big marketing push like this, breaking even isn’t a good thing.

[BigRed1]

Purple Haze
Didn’t say they were ‘reallyBlack” said they were African Americans. Is that “strong language “ now? If you want to find something to be offered by at least quote something that’s accurate.

[jimflamesfan]

I remember in the 90s when I was a student...LU was almost bankrupt. I was in the marching band that had dwindled down to about 55 people. The school didn't provide shoes with the uniform. They told us to just get our own black dress shoes at Payless or one of the dept. stores. The band didn't even have matching shoes. I believe they have drillmasters, now! Just a note in how far we've come.

[Jonathan Carone]

Not wanting to be a part of it doesn’t make you 1 step from Klan Membership and on the Heinrich Himmler Fan Club Membership List.

This type of hyperbole is what derails this conversation so quickly.

I don’t think anyone in this conversation is racist.

I do, however, think there are some with racial prejudice and/or racial ignorance, most of which is the product of environment. I’m the first to admit my past prejudices based on where I grew up and the family I group up in. I didn’t know those prejudices even existed for years until I began having conversations and listening to people different than me. Racial prejudice is not the same thing as racism.

[Purple Haize]

Purple Haze
Didn’t say they were ‘reallyBlack” said they were African Americans. Is that “strong language “ now? If you want to find something to be offered by at least quote something that’s accurate.

Easy there skippy, I was being sarcastic.

You were asking how having African American coaches would be portrayed by those who thought leaving Nike meant LU didn’t care about Black Athletes. They would say “well, they aren’t really black people anyway”. Like say Clearance Thomas, Dr Ben Carson or basically any non liberal P.O.c

[Purple Haize]

Not wanting to be a part of it doesn’t make you 1 step from Klan Membership and on the Heinrich Himmler Fan Club Membership List.

This type of hyperbole is what derails this conversation so quickly.

I don’t think anyone in this conversation is racist.

I do, however, think there are some with racial prejudice and/or racial ignorance, most of which is the product of environment. I’m the first to admit my past prejudices based on where I grew up and the family I group up in. I didn’t know those prejudices even existed for years until I began having conversations and listening to people different than me. Racial prejudice is not the same thing as racism.

There are always “some” of anything in any group. I’m glad you’ve grown up and had those conversations and life experiences. You seem to assume others have not
And yes I used hyperbole to make the point to the topic of the thread. That it’s absolutely ludicrous to think that switching from Nike means LU doesn’t care for black people . Sure you can think it. But it’s ludicrous

[gerb]

Whelp, I'll be that guy to bring this up.

The kneeling crap is a distraction. Nike CEO Mark Parker is a friend and big fan of art by Mark Ryden and decorates his office with his @#$t. This stuff is beyond sick. LU should not be associated with these sick bastards.

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