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LunaticNation

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The LU powers will likely shoot down The Furnace as well. They have used that term in conjunction with athletics over the years, that this site's use of it as an "independent" forum will cause confusion. Go ahead, call it The Furnace. See what happens.

[BJWilliams]

They're hoping your post-9/11 conservative patriotic love of first responders will overcome their mediocre flavorless sandwiches.

I like their Meatball sub actually...

[ALUmnus]

I'll echo the absurd-but-not-surprised notion of this whole thing.

So, assuming this has nothing to do with copyright, and it's just about image and criticism, I don't see how a name-change would even change anything (besides the name). It's just petty, and is exactly how bullies operate. Where are the mature leaders at LU? Or have they all been bullied out, too.

[TallyW]

The Furnace is my vote.

Agreed. The Furnace has a nice ring to it... and a genuine connection to the campus.

The LU powers will likely shoot down The Furnace as well. They have used that term in conjunction with athletics over the years, that this site's use of it as an "independent" forum will cause confusion. Go ahead, call it The Furnace. See what happens.

I'd still move forward with it. LU doesn't own every phrase they've ever used in a random promotion. The legal issue is one of brand confusion. No recruit, prospective student, current student or casual observer would confuse "The Furnace" with "Liberty Flames". That's a bridge too far.

The Furnace has my vote...although I still get here via FlameFans.com anyway

[VAGolf]

http://www.coeddorms.com

That will confuse them...on the other hand, that name might already be taken.

Seriously though, maybe Liberty didn't threaten to take away credentials but they had to have threatened something. If they hadn't, why change the name due to "extenuating circumstances"?

I completely understand why you all would comply. However, if you did want to stick it to them, do understand that you would have the full backing of everyone here. If they decided to follow through with the threat, I would cancel my FC membership and immediately start a petition. I'm sure the last thing the C-USA or Sun Belt want to see from a prospective member is negative press due to the administration's security issues.

[Yacht Rock]

The sad thing is, I've seen bigger organizations with more on the line and more criticism handle issues like this much better. We didn't renew our football season tickets this year for other reasons but handling situations like would have impacted it even without all the baggage I have from previous issues.

People keep saying JR is a good businessman. Part of business is how you manage your relationship with the community. Having the mentality to forge ahead and burn bridges right and left along the way isn't a sign of a good businessman to me. Eventually that approach will catch up to you. Having money doesn't solve every problem and it doesn't replace having a constructive relationship with various stakeholders.

Jon and Duke, you guys are better than me. I'd probably just either refuse or shutter the site. I would struggle to be under Jerry's thumb and capitulate after the way they handle things.

[Yacht Rock]

http://www.coeddorms.com

That will confuse them...on the other hand, that name might already be taken.

Seriously though, maybe Liberty didn't threaten to take away credentials but they had to have threatened something. If they hadn't, why change the name due to "extenuating circumstances"?

I completely understand why you all would comply. However, if you did want to stick it to them, do understand that you would have the full backing of everyone here. If they decided to follow through with the threat, I would cancel my FC membership and immediately start a petition. I'm sure the last thing the C-USA or Sun Belt want to see from a prospective member is negative press due to the administration's security issues.

I'd contribute to a legal defense fund if LU wanted to take it that far.

[Purple Haize]

http://www.coeddorms.com

That will confuse them...on the other hand, that name might already be taken.

Seriously though, maybe Liberty didn't threaten to take away credentials but they had to have threatened something. If they hadn't, why change the name due to "extenuating circumstances"?

I completely understand why you all would comply. However, if you did want to stick it to them, do understand that you would have the full backing of everyone here. If they decided to follow through with the threat, I would cancel my FC membership and immediately start a petition. I'm sure the last thing the C-USA or Sun Belt want to see from a prospective member is negative press due to the administration's security issues.

They are forcing a name change. How do you read that as NOT following through?

[Jonathan Carone]

If it's like the past, the school is threatening a lawsuit, not media credentials. My guess is Jon and Duke are tired of paying legal fees and this is the avenue their lawyer suggested. This isn't inside info based on this situation, just going on what's happened in the past.

[Purple Haize]

If it's like the past, the school is threatening a lawsuit, not media credentials. My guess is Jon and Duke are tired of paying legal fees and this is the avenue their lawyer suggested. This isn't inside info based on this situation, just going on what's happened in the past.

Just give it time. I have no idea why a site like this is such a big deal, unless you are a control freak. As for their media credentials I'm sure pressure will come to bear soon

[LUnpretty11]

TheFurnace
FurnaceInsider
LunaticsNation
LunaticsInsider
BHAGNation
MakeJerryGreatAgain

These get my vote

[flamesfilmguy]

I'm down with Dark Side of The Mountain. but thats a given. its ridiculous that we have to go through with this.

[flamesfilmguy]

If it's like the past, the school is threatening a lawsuit, not media credentials. My guess is Jon and Duke are tired of paying legal fees and this is the avenue their lawyer suggested. This isn't inside info based on this situation, just going on what's happened in the past.

This is likely the problem. its sad that they probably had to hire a lawyer in the first place.

[Jonathan Carone]

I would love for the N&A or WSET to look into this. It won't happen, but I'd love that headline. Let everyone see how petty the school is being with their biggest fans.

[VAGolf]

http://www.coeddorms.com

That will confuse them...on the other hand, that name might already be taken.

Seriously though, maybe Liberty didn't threaten to take away credentials but they had to have threatened something. If they hadn't, why change the name due to "extenuating circumstances"?

I completely understand why you all would comply. However, if you did want to stick it to them, do understand that you would have the full backing of everyone here. If they decided to follow through with the threat, I would cancel my FC membership and immediately start a petition. I'm sure the last thing the C-USA or Sun Belt want to see from a prospective member is negative press due to the administration's security issues.

They are forcing a name change. How do you read that as NOT following through?

I'm fairly certain you misinterpreted my statement.

We need to go ahead and start a petition.

[Jonathan Carone]

To do what? The admin operates with absolutely no checks and balances. They do what they want and everyone else be damned if they get in the way.

[VAGolf]

To do what? The admin operates with absolutely no checks and balances. They do what they want and everyone else be damned if they get in the way.

Exposure. WSET & N/A won't report anything if no one seems upset about it. If things are circling around on Twitter & Facebook, and there's a petition, maybe there's potential for this to pick up some press on a slow day. Sorry, I'm not one to sit idly by even if the odds are stacked against me.

Here's a separate thread to start a petition, https://www.flamefans.com/forums/viewto ... 21&t=24014

[Jonathan Carone]

If the admin is threatening to sue alumni and supporters then yeah, it needs to get out there.

[Purple Haize]

They won't want to lose advertising dollars

[ballah09]

people from wset and NA read this site, they get some of there LU stories from here. They should def report on this.

as for the name, count me in for either thefurnace or the darksideofthemt

[flamesfilmguy]

would they be ok with us going the Prince route? "The blog formerly known as Flames Nation?

[VAGolf]

They won't want to lose advertising dollars

How would they lose advertising dollars? The only thing exposure does is drive more people to the site.

The obstacle with changing your name is that you have to rebuild your brand. Even if they are forced to change their name, exposure only provides a larger audience when that time comes. At the very least, this makes it easier to rebuild.

[Purple Haize]

They won't want to lose advertising dollars

How would they lose advertising dollars? The only thing exposure does is drive more people to the site.

The obstacle with changing your name is that you have to rebuild your brand. Even if they are forced to change their name, exposure only provides a larger audience when that time comes. At the very least, this makes it easier to rebuild.

I was talking about WSET and the N and A. LU throws big advertisement dollars around. Eyes don't equal dollars

[Humble_Opinion]

I think I know what happened here... I was just checking on the LU Editorial Style Guide under the letter 'F'. My guess is that someone at LU didn't like what was being said here, so they updated their intellectual property to include 'Flames Nation' (or maybe it's always been there) as a part of their branding. The editorial guide specifies this phrase as a part of LU branding and defines it as:

Flames Nation
Always capitalize. Refers to the Liberty fan base.

http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=18687#F

I like:
- The Inferno
- Incite the Fire
- Jerry's Smoking Gun (a play on smokinggun.com)