[Purple Haize]

People. We lost to Gardner Webb and Monmouth back to back...reflect on that for a few minutes... The wheels on the bus aren't going round and round. They have fallen off. This is flat out embarrassing.

I'm not sure anyone is arguing it's awesome

[forbidden]

I don't think Gill is the guy to move us forward. I didn't think he was last year and still don't. 90% of the things I've said on this thread this afternoon was to get people riled up because people are predictable. Ten years on this message board tends to show how people act in most situations.

Including yourself

[Purple Haize]

Omg, and then what we cut the cord with HCTG and bring in a new guy who has HOW LONG according to you cats to get his guys in get his system in place and win. Has petey ever laid out for a pass in his tenure here, everything is to him, how many drops, but the minute it's someone else your qb wants to try to put ppl on blast. What about his throws. The kid #9 wanted it went out and took it. Hate to say it but when petey was out we moved the ball around to EVERYONE he gets back he again becomes primary on everything n we become predictable. Run game hasn't been there all year the emotional play was to put 26 back first the better move imp was 2. Defense played ok today, but Monmouth played mistake free LU did not. Noone looks at whole picture it seems

I can't understand half of what you typed. But the half I did understand I agreed with

[SuperJon]

I'm nothing if not predictable.

[forbidden]

It's totally obvious most people are clearly fans and in no way shape or form could most likely do what any of these college coaches are paid to do. They would commit suicide and or bleakly be drunkards. So so over the top and are a very emotional group of individuals

so? does that mean we are supposed to give them a pass because they get paid to not do their job?

This may sound stupid but they let u continue to post, if they treated some people's posts the way they want to treat coaches over half of y'all would be banned, so see what I'm saying now

[SuperJon]

We don't get paid over half a million to post on here. If I did, I wouldn't be nearly as obnoxious as I am half the time.

With great salary comes great responsibility.

[forbidden]

People. We lost to Gardner Webb and Monmouth back to back...reflect on that for a few minutes... The wheels on the bus aren't going round and round. They have fallen off. This is flat out embarrassing.

People they play n practice same way, so as a fan u think u r as the word had been floating around "entitled" to a victory because of the name of their school. Monmouth has played us tougher each year, GW was a bad loss, these comments are embarrassing

[forbidden]

Omg, and then what we cut the cord with HCTG and bring in a new guy who has HOW LONG according to you cats to get his guys in get his system in place and win. Has petey ever laid out for a pass in his tenure here, everything is to him, how many drops, but the minute it's someone else your qb wants to try to put ppl on blast. What about his throws. The kid #9 wanted it went out and took it. Hate to say it but when petey was out we moved the ball around to EVERYONE he gets back he again becomes primary on everything n we become predictable. Run game hasn't been there all year the emotional play was to put 26 back first the better move imp was 2. Defense played ok today, but Monmouth played mistake free LU did not. Noone looks at whole picture it seems

I can't understand half of what you typed. But the half I did understand I agreed with

Yes I'm irritated and driving n texting which is bad I know, sorry

[thepostman]

I don't think turner gill should be fired but comparing a division one coach to a bunch of idiots who post on a message board is ridiculous

[flamesfilmguy]

This may sound stupid but they let u continue to post, if they treated some people's posts the way they want to treat coaches over half of y'all would be banned, so see what I'm saying now

What? 1. They don't control this message board, Fans do(very well i might add thanks guys for giving us all a place to vent our frustrations and get information on the programs we love). So I have no idea how that analogy works. 2. I get the pressure coaches are under. I work with college coaches every single day. If anyone is likely to be a coaches apologist its me. That being said I don't give coaches a pass when there is obviously things that could be done to improve the program and they aren't being done. when you don't do your job and you are paid obscene amounts of money to do said job you should be held accountable. 3. Fans are just that. Fans. short for fanatic. We get crazy emotional. we want and think our team should succeed in everything they do. When they don't we get mad, upset, angry, and since we can't blame the fans for what happens on the field we do exactly like what any fan would do, try and figure out where to place the blame and see to it that our voices are heard. Which is why this message board exists.
you don't have to like or agree with anything that I say. That isn't going top stop me from posting my opinion and voicing my frustration with a program that I spent most of my undergrad working for and investing my time and effort into.
If you want to label me as a hater or not a true fan go ahead. no skin off my nose.

[Wvflame2013]

This may sound stupid but they let u continue to post, if they treated some people's posts the way they want to treat coaches over half of y'all would be banned, so see what I'm saying now

What? 1. They don't control this message board, Fans do(very well i might add thanks guys for giving us all a place to vent our frustrations and get information on the programs we love). So I have no idea how that analogy works. 2. I get the pressure coaches are under. I work with college coaches every single day. If anyone is likely to be a coaches apologist its me. That being said I don't give coaches a pass when there is obviously things that could be done to improve the program and they aren't being done. when you don't do your job and you are paid obscene amounts of money to do said job you should be held accountable. 3. Fans are just that. Fans. short for fanatic. We get crazy emotional. we want and think our team should succeed in everything they do. When they don't we get mad, upset, angry, and since we can't blame the fans for what happens on the field we do exactly like what any fan would do, try and figure out where to place the blame and see to it that our voices are heard. Which is why this message board exists.
you don't have to like or agree with anything that I say. That isn't going top stop me from posting my opinion and voicing my frustration with a program that I spent most of my undergrad working for and investing my time and effort into.
If you want to label me as a hater or not a true fan go ahead. no skin off my nose.

[jinxy]

The thing I don't understand is how you can say 100 percent for sure he's the guy after the way we've looked 3 of the last 4 weeks. I'm not saying he isn't but man the last 2 weeks especially. Monmouth has 10 less Schollies and lost by 30 at home to csu last week. Gwebb just got beat by startup ksu. I mean I don't see how that isn't concerning.

[Wvflame2013]

The thing I don't understand is how you can say 100 percent for sure he's the guy after the way we've looked 3 of the last 4 weeks. I'm not saying he isn't but man the last 2 weeks especially. Monmouth has 10 less Schollies and lost by 30 at home to csu last week. Gwebb just got beat by startup ksu. I mean I don't see how that isn't concerning.

Especially with a 4 year starter QB. All-American Receiver. Strongest leg in the game...Things are not right. Something serious is happening within our program that is negative. Were getting beat by teams that shouldn't. Our fans, students, and $ have been fully thrown at our football program in support. LU Football is not producing. Maybe our program is not as great as it thinks it is as myself included once thought. We will know next week and throughout the rest of the season. We can afford to lose to coastal but 2-3 losses will be detrimental.

[JK37]

Jinxy and WVflame making extremely valid and logical points! Well said. Here are some of my random thoughts...

1. There is no comparison to the Layer situation (even if it was said to be trolling). It is not yet obvious that last year's postseason run was a fluke, nor is it obvious that Turner Gill can't build a championship program. Oh wait, he did do that once already.

2. The reason you allow him the chance to lead the rebuilding process, as some on here are saying will begin next year no matter who is the head coach, is because after two poor losses he finds a way to right the ship. See what I did there? Time will tell.

3. None of us is on the inside of this thing. (I know, I know - this is a message board. But, I'm not telling anyone to stop posting or having an opinion.) I'm just saying that in either direction (Fire him now/Give him a 10-year extension), there are insider details to which none of us is privy. We don't know if the curent circumstances are the result of players quitting on coaches, or quitting on themselves. We don't know if the chemistry of the team is shot, or if that was known before the season or should have been known. We don't know if meetings were held to address concerns, and we certainly don't know if signs were ignored. I'm not about to dive deep into a BJ-esque worship of the powers that be; I'm simply saying these are questions to which we do not have answers, yet they are ones which will be very important to deciding the future/fate of this coaching staff.

4. College coaches' livelihoods ultimately depend on the performance of 18-22 adolescents. (No, they're not adults. But that's a conversation/debate for another time.) And that fact is not a shocking reality to any coach. They know it when they sign up for the gig. Its great when it works out, and it produces feelings of utter helplessness when it doesn't. Believe me, I know. I've felt both ends of the emotional spectrum. But in the end, the buck stops with the coaches and, ultimately, the head coach. So, as has already been mentioned, it is definitely not for the weak or emotional.


More observations to come, I'm sure.....

[forbidden]

Answered some of ur own questions u would think with what was coming back all would be ok, truly believe they read their own press and hv gotten big headed and now HUMBLED but at the expense of others who are team guys n not me guys

[phoenix]

I hate to say it, but I think I miss #typicalLiberty. That team would have won this one after getting their tails set on fire at practice last week by coaches who were holding them accountable for their lack of results against (of all people) Gardner-Webb.

This is #atypicalLiberty. This team has given up. I'm thinking that we start the second team next Saturday, just to wake the "leadership" of this team up. Make sure Woodrum doesn't start bagging on his team again in interviews this week by showing him what happens to a quarterback that can't lead on field.

My sports day got off to a great start - my son's U10 soccer team won the last game of their season 3-1 "on the road." Spent the afternoon at the orchard, eating apples and feeding goats - got a NICE looking pint of habanero peppers that are just BEGGING to be cooked with. And tonight I'll watch Ohio State hopefully not choke.

At the end of the day, it's a football game. A disappointing one, true. A tough one to watch, a frustrating loss. But the sun will come up tomorrow, and I get to preach, so it's all good

[Wvflame2013]

Answered some of ur own questions u would think with what was coming back all would be ok, truly believe they read their own press and hv gotten big headed and now HUMBLED but at the expense of others who are team guys n not me guys

Maybe LU, Gill & Company needs a good humbling. Often times God has to do the same in my own life. We want the promised land but often forget that God has a path and plan for us to trust in him to guide us to His destination. Not based on our own merits or theatrics. I don't know and I don't have the answers. That's for people with better pay and responsibilties. At the end of the day im just an arm chair qb. But at arm chair qb can still see something is funky.

[SuperJon]

Can we please not play the God card? It's football.

[Wvflame2013]

Can we please not play the God card? It's football.

I believe it is still relevant to a school that our motto is training champions for Christ or if it's christian it ought to be better. I agree with you completely on many posts but God is still relevant even in football.

[Purple Haize]

Jinxy and WVflame making extremely valid and logical points! Well said. Here are some of my random thoughts...

1. There is no comparison to the Layer situation (even if it was said to be trolling). It is not yet obvious that last year's postseason run was a fluke, nor is it obvious that Turner Gill can't build a championship program. Oh wait, he did do that once already.

2. The reason you allow him the chance to lead the rebuilding process, as some on here are saying will begin next year no matter who is the head coach, is because after two poor losses he finds a way to right the ship. See what I did there? Time will tell.

3. None of us is on the inside of this thing. (I know, I know - this is a message board. But, I'm not telling anyone to stop posting or having an opinion.) I'm just saying that in either direction (Fire him now/Give him a 10-year extension), there are insider details to which none of us is privy. We don't know if the curent circumstances are the result of players quitting on coaches, or quitting on themselves. We don't know if the chemistry of the team is shot, or if that was known before the season or should have been known. We don't know if meetings were held to address concerns, and we certainly don't know if signs were ignored. I'm not about to dive deep into a BJ-esque worship of the powers that be; I'm simply saying these are questions to which we do not have answers, yet they are ones which will be very important to deciding the future/fate of this coaching staff.

4. College coaches' livelihoods ultimately depend on the performance of 18-22 adolescents. (No, they're not adults. But that's a conversation/debate for another time.) And that fact is not a shocking reality to any coach. They know it when they sign up for the gig. Its great when it works out, and it produces feelings of utter helplessness when it doesn't. Believe me, I know. I've felt both ends of the emotional spectrum. But in the end, the buck stops with the coaches and, ultimately, the head coach. So, as has already been mentioned, it is definitely not for the weak or emotional.


More observations to come, I'm sure.....

I agree with all of this. But I'd take it a little further. You absolutely correct that Coaches are working with kids 18-22. Because of this I give the benefit of the doubt to the grown adult who has been through several seasons. Chemistry is a fickle mistress. It can make average talent a great team and great talent a bad team. You can't coach it or teach it. You can try to foster it and cultivate it. It's not an exact science and the recipe changes every year.
We are not in practices or meetings and that's where a more in depth analysis of where the blame lies. FB is not a sport you can play yo-yo with players like you can others. Platooning QB's is never a good thing. Using 2 FG kickers isn't good either. I THINK forbidden typed that our offense looked much better without Petey. I agree. But do you sit someone with his talent? Or do you play him, and point out the OBVIOUSLY wide open players in film session?
On a side note, it seems we don't have a lot of penalties. Is that true or am I imagining that?

[Purple Haize]

The thing I don't understand is how you can say 100 percent for sure he's the guy after the way we've looked 3 of the last 4 weeks. I'm not saying he isn't but man the last 2 weeks especially. Monmouth has 10 less Schollies and lost by 30 at home to csu last week. Gwebb just got beat by startup ksu. I mean I don't see how that isn't concerning.

Yes. Because you don't base it off of 2 or 3 weeks. Either way. Otherwise we'd have given him a lifetimes me contract last December.

[JK37]

I agree with you about culture.

If you're genuinely asking, I say you play the obvious talent and teach with film, practice, etc.

[Purple Haize]

I agree with you about culture.

If you're genuinely asking, I say you play the obvious talent and teach with film, practice, etc.

Agreed and that's what it looks like Gill is doing. If film and practice don't translate into games what do you do? It's a lot more difficult to bench a QB than a PG

[PAmedic]

I'm quick on the trigger with this stuff

but I'd let him finish the year and move on

this season confirmed my suspicion that Chima saved Gill's rep last season

basic problem with sports at LU: too many excuses for coaches failing to perform because we Jesus Juke when the results arent there. "Mission" "Real purpose" "Witness" etc

then go DIII and use the money build a new school of religion. I'm not even kidding. Don't do DI halfway.

just mho

[SuperJon]

I'm quick on the trigger with this stuff

but I'd let him finish the year and move on

this season confirmed my suspicion that Chima saved Gill's rep last season

just mho

I agree with everything here.