[Schfourteenteen]

But calling me a clown or a retard and saying I'm just a Playstation champ and things like that need to go.

DON'T WORRY. NO ONE THINKS YOURE GOOD ENOUGH TO BE A PLAYSTATION CHAMP.

[flameshaw]

No TTL you don't get it. He's had the most success in school history you can't argue the numbers. Best win percentage. Period. You don't fire that. Why would you EVER fire a coach whos team is always in the top 25. I honest worry about you fans. Get realistic. We've won the conference the last 3 years. How many schools in the country can say that. Not many.

No, the early 90's when we beat good teams was much better than this. Our stats are inflated by playing bad teams.

You won't convince me. I'm done with Rocco.

Ok well you go ahead and stop supporting. Your negative attitude and quite frankly ignorant view on things will surely be missed. Go play playstation and dominate with your master philosophies. I'm going to support our coach as long as barber does. And support him as he continues to win atleast 7 a season.

So then he can just schedule terrible teams and you'll be okay with 7 wins.

If anyone's ignoring the facts on this, it's you.

As Sch14 said, if we lose to SBU, we're 0-4 against teams who AREN'T in the bottom 20. That's pathetic. If you're okay with that, then have fun with mediocrity.

I'm pretty sure Doc said "If it's Christian, it ought to be better" Not "If it's Christian it ought to be stagnant and mediocre".

You guys who have been here a while are stuck in the "Not Ken Karcher" mode still.

Also, I plan to keep supporting because Liberty is my first and only team. I'm proud of the things LU accomplishes but I am not blindly ignorant to the things that need to change. And 4 years of the same exact thing is enough. If you're okay with mediocre, then that's fine. I'm not, and I want change. And there's nothing I can do about it but present my thoughts to a bunch of people who don't want to hear it, and that's fine. But stop with the insults and belittling me already, please? This discussion has been about the coaches, not about me. I couldn't do a better job than Rocco and I never claimed to. So why bring me into it?

If you want a mature discussion where points are made and challenged, then that's fine. But calling me a clown or a retard and saying I'm just a Playstation champ and things like that need to go. I like to present my thoughts even if they're not mainstream, and you don't have to agree, but you certainly shouldn't belittle me. That's why I left in the first place, and it's likely why I'll wind up leaving again. Just because I believe you're wrong on an issue doesn't mean you have to resort to attacking me. If you disagree, say so. In plain language. But resorting to talking down to me, ESPECIALLY when you're in the majority and won't get called out for it, is uncalled for.

Imagine if another teams fan came on the site and called you a clown. You'd call for him to be banned from the site for being a nuisance! It's all the same, even tho I'm seen as the "clown" who is always just negative.[/quote]


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[Schfourteenteen]

THAT'S A CUTE KID. KINDA LOOKS LIKE PAMEDIC.

OR MAYBE HE'S BEING FORCED TO WATCH #12 LIBERTY PLAY A GOOD TEAM.

[ToTheLeft]

Oh okay, I see. More immaturity rather than discussion.

And no one else is going to say a thing about it. but if checkmate or shuk did the same thing everyone would cry til the world ended and BJ would give a stern, father-like condemnation of the actions.

But if that's the road we're goin' down, I can go there too.

Also, knowing what I've heard about Barber, he's probably closer to my side than yours. He wants to win, because he's bringing a lot of money in for these programs and mediocrity isn't acceptable. If we lose to SBU I'd put good money that Rocco would at least be asked to accept a job elsewhere as an assistant just so we can move on.

We have a huge budget and Rocco is the highest paid FCS coach. We need championships, not 7 wins. NOT KEN KARCHER IS NOT A GOOD ENOUGH RESUME. I am not Ken Karcher either, but if I was getting paid as much as Rocco to lose big games every season I'd expect to be fired. Whose kid did Rocco save to earn this kind of blind following?

[Equinox]

*Rocco is the best man presently for the job his win/loss record in football is the best in the schools history.
*Scrap the 3-4 for the 4-3 and put the assistant coaches (defensive, running back & special) on notice that poor preparation of players will result in job termination
*Though I haven’t totally given up on Davis…can we please recruit a big “down-hill” style running back… or put Gagliardi in at TB and Bah at FB or a TE to reduce the level of one-dimensional running (aka Mike Brown).
*Today confirms that Liberty is not ready for the big boys yet, however the talent of the recruits is improving
* and to TTL…I hope you continue to posts your thought on the board, because it’s better to hear/read true opinions than a scared collective mind

[aredd33]

Oh okay, I see. More immaturity rather than discussion.

And no one else is going to say a thing about it. but if checkmate or shuk did the same thing everyone would cry til the world ended and BJ would give a stern, father-like condemnation of the actions.

But if that's the road we're goin' down, I can go there too.

Also, knowing what I've heard about Barber, he's probably closer to my side than yours. He wants to win, because he's bringing a lot of money in for these programs and mediocrity isn't acceptable. If we lose to SBU I'd put good money that Rocco would at least be asked to accept a job elsewhere as an assistant just so we can move on.

We have a huge budget and Rocco is the highest paid FCS coach. We need championships, not 7 wins. NOT KEN KARCHER IS NOT A GOOD ENOUGH RESUME. I am not Ken Karcher either, but if I was getting paid as much as Rocco to lose big games every season I'd expect to be fired. Whose kid did Rocco save to earn this kind of blind following?

I like you ToTheLeft.

[krh44]

I am not saying he should stay or go but JB is putting way too much money into this progam to be a 3-4 L team each year. Maybe the UVa transfer pipeline is drying up but this getting frustrating. Last several years we are worried getting into playoffs. Now all we have to do in win Conference and can't do that. Getting old.

[Th3rd]

while i dont agree with everything TTL has said I will say this

just because a coach is the "best" we have had is not a good enough reason to keep him on as a coach. If you just base it off he is the "best" we have had then he will always be here because we can't bring anyone else in... thats ridiculous and ignorant...

now I am not saying we should fire Rocco just yet, but there are definite areas that need to be corrected and if they are not corrected he does need to go... because as much as I or anyone else who supports Rocco would hate to admit... if the corrections can not be made, then maybe Rocco has plateaued....

just my .02 cents

[bigsmooth]

if you want to blow up the staff, sure i get that, but to fire rocco is completly absurd in my opinion. i have quietly questioned streeter's play calling and i have never thought much of clark. typically that is what you will see is a change of assistants first. i appreciate everyone's love for LU athletics though. if we could bottle up the passion and give it to the current student body that would be awesome.

[jcmanson]

Yeah, bottom line is Rocco gets another year, at least. If we're sitting in the same position this time next year then we'll see what happens.

[aredd33]

Yeah, bottom line is Rocco gets another year, at least. If we're sitting in the same position this time next year then we'll see what happens.

I think you head the nail on the head...I hope so anyway. One more year of this and Barber should look for something else.

[Stevev]

All I can say is I am disppointed with the ridiculously weak schedules we have been playing since Coach Rocco has been around. At least with Karcher and Rutigliano we have played tough schedules for the most part so at least I know where the team stood as far as how they rank against better competition. With Rocco I am still not really convinced on where we stand with us playing Big South teams and other weak competition we play week in and week out but we still get beat by middle of the road CCA teams.

I am not ready to jump on the "Fire Rocco" bandwagon yet but everyone needs to think this one through ounce the disappointment of this loss passes over. Of course Rocco being one of the higher paid coaches in 1AA and with our big football budget doesn't help his cause one bit.

[Rooster Cogburn]

I decided not to come on here earlier because i knew this was the cind of mess I would read. I wish I had not come now. You people make me sick. If we win he's the greatest ever. That's all I'm saying now.

By the way, I'm am VERY disappointed and VERY upset just like the rest of you. But I will not digress to calling for Rocco's head.

[LUconn]

I'm starting to think Liberty fans deserve Liberty athletics.

[aredd33]

I'm starting to think Liberty fans deserve Liberty athletics.

What does that mean?

[Rooster Cogburn]

I'm starting to think Liberty fans deserve Liberty athletics.

DIDNG DING DING

[Sly Fox]

Its the best line of the night.



I needed a laugh this evening.

[Rooster Cogburn]

I just think I will wait to voice my criticism of the game for a day or 2. I think it is way to easy to be a brainless hothead right after the game. Unless you were in the huddle or something, there is no way to know exactly what was wrong. Anhyway, criticise away. I am not here to stop you. I just think calling for the coach's head is just too far.

[LUconn]

I'm starting to think Liberty fans deserve Liberty athletics.

What does that mean?

We're like a bunch of hyperbolic spazzoids that can only exist at one extreme or another. We hype the team to national championship contenders because we're rolling, and then one bad loss and we're firing the coach. We do the same exact thing in basketball. Could it be somewhere in the middle? Maybe we're a pretty good team with some flaws playing a conference game where the opposing coach knows us as well as we do.

Rocco is not Knute Rockne like we hyped him up to be but there is no question he is the man for this job. He turned a joke of a program around into a relatively respected and relevant one. In fact, I'd say the success was too quick. It wasn't indicative of where we had come to and was due to some cupcakes and taking over our conference. We're a fringe playoff progam at this point. A game here or there keeps us out autobid or no autobid, but that's where we are.

I'm just saying with threads like these, we deserve it.

[Rooster Cogburn]

I'm starting to think Liberty fans deserve Liberty athletics.

What does that mean?

We're like a bunch of hyperbolic spazzoids that can only exist at one extreme or another. We hype the team to national championship contenders because we're rolling, and then one bad loss and we're firing the coach. We do the same exact thing in basketball. Could it be somewhere in the middle? Maybe we're a pretty good team with some flaws playing a conference game where the opposing coach knows us as well as we do.

Rocco is not Knute Rockne like we hyped him up to be but there is no question he is the man for this job. He turned a joke of a program around into a relatively respected and relevant one. In fact, I'd say the success was too quick. It wasn't indicative of where we had come to and was due to some cupcakes and taking over our conference. We're a fringe playoff progam at this point. A game here or there keeps us out autobid or no autobid, but that's where we are.

I'm just saying with threads like these, we deserve it.

Exactly what I thought you meant, and you are RIGHT ON!


We are the ones who hype things up!!! We all want a national championship, but that does not happen over night. People act like we've been failures for 30 years or something as we should have been Natl champions every year. You have to build a program, and that will include a lot of ups, downs, and TIME!

[ToTheLeft]

And that'd be fine if he was being paid like a good Big South coach. But he's being paid like the best FCS coach.

Return On Investment. It's an issue here. This program has a huge budget, a great stadium, and a huge national fanbase. That's all really started happening since Barber has been here. That changes what to expect out of a coach. Comparing him to Karcher is selling the whole program short, because that's not the era of Liberty Athletics we're in anymore. Barber is bringing in the bucks for this school so that we can make a name for ourselves in athletics, and football is the top dog, with no offense meant to our two most successful programs recently in T+F and WBB.

And what is it about Rocco that makes you believe he is the right man to take this program further than it is right now? Why is he the right man for the job. I keep seeing that, and the only reasoning is Win/Loss. Any Big South team with any coach should beat Shippensburg, North Greenville, Glenville State twice, West Virginia Wesleyan, Savannah State twice, St. Francis twice, St. Pauls, Tusculum, and NCCU. That's 12 of his wins right there. The things that "separate" him from other BSC coaches are...

A couple of close wins over BADDDDDDD SoCon School WCU.
A close win over decent SoCon school Elon (combined with a blowout at their place)
A win at Youngstown State who has been in the bottom 3 of the MVFC for the past few seasons.
A win at a terrible, awful Ball State FBS team.

And then beating up on BSC competition. Which includes G-W who never wins in November, and that's when we play them every year, Presby who is a walkover outside of Clinton (and should be a walkover in Clinton, but...), and VMI.

I'd really like to see something other than Win/Loss record as a reason he's the right man for the job, since his is inflated with cupcakes. That's why I keep saying you guys think he's the right guy because he's not Karcher. he's winning games and putting up over .500 seasons and that's better than Karcher, and a drastic improvement, so he's the right guy. And that's not good enough to me, because his wins aren't impressive and the losses are inexcusable from a program in the kind of position ours is in.

[Rooster Cogburn]

I'm back to my waiting for a couple of days. I'm sorry I let myself get worked up after coming on here, but I've taken care of that now. It will not happen again.

[El Scorcho]

I know I'm only going to sir the pot further but...

I sincerely believe Coach Rocco is as good as LU can do. You can take that to say something about the coach or about LU, but that's what I think.

So, having said that, I think that we should heavily weigh our options before we consider calling for the replacement of the coach. Just my $0.02.

I am taking down the Coach of the Year banner, though. That's a bit much.

[Stevev]

Return On Investment. It's an issue here. This program has a huge budget, a great stadium, and a huge national fanbase. That's all really started happening since Barber has been here. That changes what to expect out of a coach. Comparing him to Karcher is selling the whole program short, because that's not the era of Liberty Athletics we're in anymore. Barber is bringing in the bucks for this school so that we can make a name for ourselves in athletics, and football is the top dog, with no offense meant to our two most successful programs recently in T+F and WBB.

That is my biggest issue with LU football by far. Our athletic budget more than doubles most of the other Big South teams and Rocco's salary is 4X that of the typical BSC coach. No other BSC team has near the resources LU has and that should give us an unfair advantage.

As far as results I see that the Elon win at home by far is most significant win. I don't see any other being that significant although the Ball State win might qualify.

[LUconn]

What else is there besides stats, wins, and champoinships? If they're automatically disqualified because TTL deems them phony, I don't know what to tell you. You're mad at the 1 or 2 losses we do have per year and yet are numb to the 8 or 9 wins that go along with it. Anything short of undefeated is unacceptable I guess. And get out of here with this salary crap. LU is a private school that can pay him whatever the heck they want. They pay him a ton of money and they upped the ante to keep him, not to get a better ROI. If tomorrow Barber offered him a contract for 10 times that, would we expect to never lose again? Would you expect him to not accept that money?

This program was a mess. 1-10 and the mess goes beyond that. I'm not comparing Rocco to Karcher, I'm telling you what Rocco was handed. How long would you expect any coach to turn that into a perennial playoff team? His first recruiting class just graduated last year! You'd be insane to get rid of a coach that quickly by dismissing 90% of what he's done.