[Jonathan Carone]

I love that everyone is making all these sweeping statements about how good guys are playing when no one has seen them even practice.

[R i]

I love that everyone is making all these sweeping statements about how good guys are playing when no one has seen them even practice.

I have never seen Buckshot throw a ball in person, but there are several people that have. Those people like what they see, a lot.

I personally am not ready to evaluate how well they know the playbook, or arm strength or accuracy as Pretty did, but I can say with certainty that the excitement about Mr Calvert , aka BUCKSHOT, is coming from people that have seen all of them throw a good bit.

[VAGolf]

I love that everyone is making all these sweeping statements about how good guys are playing when no one has seen them even practice.

I have never seen Buckshot throw a ball in person, but there are several people that have. Those people like what they see, a lot.

I personally am not ready to evaluate how well they know the playbook, or arm strength or accuracy as Pretty did, but I can say with certainty that the excitement about Mr Calvert , aka BUCKSHOT, is coming from people that have seen all of them throw a good bit.

One's throwing ability and one's ability to read a defense and make appropriate decisions are two vastly different things. A lot of really bad QB's are really athletic and can throw the ball a mile. Means very little.

[R i]

Did you happen to hear his stats from the scrimmage the other day ? 2 touchdowns in 4 attempts or something like that. That indicates he does at least a decent job reading coverage. When a player comes in with high expectations, and by all accounts his performing well on the field in camp, especially at QB, we do not have to poke holes in his game , just so we are not embarrassed if he does not pan out.

[VAGolf]

Did you happen to hear his stats from the scrimmage the other day ? 2 touchdowns in 4 attempts or something like that. That indicates he does at least a decent job reading coverage. When a player comes in with high expectations, and by all accounts his performing well on the field in camp, especially at QB, we do not have to poke holes in his game , just so we are not embarrassed if he does not pan out.

Stats in a scrimmage do not indicate anything. That's ridiculous. Talk to me when it's 3rd and 10 with 2:30 to go in the 4th and we're trailing Jacksonville State by 6.

[Jonathan Carone]

I guess I just hate hype based on third and fourth person accounts. It all turns into an echo chamber based on the accounts of a few people. If practices were open and some of you guys had been to them and seen them, I'd believe it a little more. But the hype (both ways, toward Masha and Jason Street Jr) is all based on external accounts which renders it fairly useless.

[LUnpretty11]

How on earth can you type an evaluation like that as if it was a stone cold fact when Calvert has only been on campus 3 weeks and practices are closed You have been hyping Yearick a lot I really have no problem with that, especially since he seems like such a great kid and so on board with the Liberty mission Everything I am hearing from other sources is that Calvert is the superior talent and despite the edge Rud got from being there for Spring practices Buckshot has looked better this Summer

The decision on who will be redshirted will not necessarily be based just on who is the second best QB after Masha I suspect if Yearick is chosen to be the backup this year it will have a lot to do with him being somewhat more similar to Masha in his ability to run and thus less of an adjustment for the offense I suppose they may also factor in wanting to save that year of eligibility for Calvert down the road, although I don't really like it Because of factors like these, it's quite possible Buckshot could actually have the edge, but get the shirt if the competition is close It's also possible that the coaches could think Calvert is clearly better, but still start out redshirting him and hope and pray Masha stays healthy Yearick could be the mop up guy or run a series or 2 if Stephon gets nicked Then, if Masha has a serious injury, all bets are off and you decide if you want to stay with Rud or burn the shirt That's a bit of a risky way to go, and the decision gets harder the later you get in the season

That's fair skepticism from your first paragraph. I imagined I would receive some backlash from it and I accept it.

The second paragraph is exactly the point I was raising. That's the big question. You have Calvert who is further along than Yearick from a talent standpoint, but run a system that works better for Yearick. Talent development wise, Yearick would benefit the most from a Redshirt.

[LUnpretty11]

Did you happen to hear his stats from the scrimmage the other day ? 2 touchdowns in 4 attempts or something like that. That indicates he does at least a decent job reading coverage. When a player comes in with high expectations, and by all accounts his performing well on the field in camp, especially at QB, we do not have to poke holes in his game , just so we are not embarrassed if he does not pan out.

Or he was throwing against the 2nd team defense and there were 2 blown coverages. I'm not saying that because it's true, we just don't know. I hold HCTG's statement about Calvert being more consistent than Yearick with more weight.

[LUnpretty11]

I guess I just hate hype based on third and fourth person accounts. It all turns into an echo chamber based on the accounts of a few people. If practices were open and some of you guys had been to them and seen them, I'd believe it a little more. But the hype (both ways, toward Masha and Jason Street Jr) is all based on external accounts which renders it fairly useless.

I prefer to get it from the horses mouth. Calvert/Yearick are nowhere near Masha. Calvert has the edge on Yearick on the basis of being more talented. The system plays into Yearick's strengths vs. it being something new for Calvert.

I am not over-hyping Yearick btw. I am simply bringing him up in conversation like he should be as the other Fr. QB we signed. It would be very misguided to ignore our other Fr. QB because some of us get giddy like a kid on Christmas morning over the idea of seeing Calvert in an LU uniform.
Side note: If Calvert transfers for lack of playing time because he is not better than Masha then that is his person problem and we are better off as a program. That's a dangerous road to go down, so I will leave it at that.

[Jonathan Carone]

I prefer to get it from the horses mouth.

You believe coach speak? Coaching interviews are a bunch of words with little to no content. They're there to reinforce what they want you to think and not cause any controversy.

[Cider Jim]

2 touchdowns in 4 attempts

That's a textbook definition of "small sample size."

[R i]

2 touchdowns in 4 attempts

That's a textbook definition of "small sample size."

Better than a small sample size of interceptions.

[LUnpretty11]

I prefer to get it from the horses mouth.

You believe coach speak? Coaching interviews are a bunch of words with little to no content. They're there to reinforce what they want you to think and not cause any controversy.

You know me better than that.

[BJWilliams]

I'll say pretty that I don't think I have been riding the "Calvert Hype Train"...my stance has been pretty much from the day he signed that the ONLY way he supplants Masha is if he shows himself to be SO SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER that the coaching staff has no choice. He has shown well, and he has a chance to make his mark on the passing charts if he is in the program for 4-5 years, but Masha was the guy following the spring and will continue to be the guy barring injury as you noted.

I am genuinely not sure what your point is here? You are stating a hypothetical obvious.

If Calvert is better than Masha
Then Calvert should start over Masha

The battle has and never will be (at least this season) been between Calvert/Masha or Yearick/Masha.

Masha is so far ahead of both of the Fr. I feel stupid for even responding anymore.

So let's talk about the real QB Competition

Yearick vs. Calvert

- Calvert comes from a high profile HS out of FL where they sent 10 (I believe) players to D-1 schools.
- Yearick comes from a Christian school in NC where he is the first player to go D-1.
- Calvert comes in with the swagger and has been around the talent he is around now.
- Yearick comes in with a humble perspective and definitely needed the spring to get used to the step up in talent.

Arm Strength
Calvert ++
Yearick +

Accuracy
Calvert ++
Yearick ++

Athleticism
Calvert +
Yearick ++

Ability to run the system
Calvert +
Yearick ++

The question comes down to if the coaches want someone who is a little bit further along in overall talent in Calvert or if they want someone who can step in and run the system better if Masha goes down in Yearick.

My point was more for those who were hyping up Calvert like he was the second coming of Jim Kelly or something...I also agree that the battle right now is between Calvert and Yearick for #2 behind Masha. That said, I also agree with Jon that the best way to be able to opine on which of the two truly IS better is to see them live. While getting word from the coaches directly is great, being able to form your own opinion based on seeing them live would be even better.

[Jonathan Carone]

Jason Street > Jim Kelly

[BJWilliams]

Jason Street > Jim Kelly

Not sure how you can say a fictional character is greater than the only QB to start (and lose) 4 straight Super Bowls...great show though

[PAmedic]

Batman > Jason Street

suck it Carone

[thepostman]

Who?

[Jonathan Carone]

Batman > Jason Street

suck it Carone

Not sure how you can say a fictional character is greater than the greatest fictional QB ever.

[PAmedic]

Uh. Because he's Batman.

[Jonathan Carone]

We've already had a quarterback who thought he was a bigger deal than he was and we saw how that turned out. Why would we want another?

[Purple Haize]

Batman > Jason Street

suck it Carone

Matt Saracen > Jason Street > Batman

Lyla Garrity > sliced bread

[Chippy]

Jesus>Religion (Jefferson Bethke)

[Jonathan Carone]

Batman > Jason Street

suck it Carone

Matt Saracen > Jason Street > Batman

Lyla Garrity > sliced bread

Vince > Saracen

Tyra > Lyla

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I'll say pretty that I don't think I have been riding the "Calvert Hype Train"...my stance has been pretty much from the day he signed that the ONLY way he supplants Masha is if he shows himself to be SO SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER that the coaching staff has no choice. He has shown well, and he has a chance to make his mark on the passing charts if he is in the program for 4-5 years, but Masha was the guy following the spring and will continue to be the guy barring injury as you noted.

I am genuinely not sure what your point is here? You are stating a hypothetical obvious.

If Calvert is better than Masha
Then Calvert should start over Masha

The battle has and never will be (at least this season) been between Calvert/Masha or Yearick/Masha.

Masha is so far ahead of both of the Fr. I feel stupid for even responding anymore.

So let's talk about the real QB Competition

Yearick vs. Calvert

- Calvert comes from a high profile HS out of FL where they sent 10 (I believe) players to D-1 schools.
- Yearick comes from a Christian school in NC where he is the first player to go D-1.
- Calvert comes in with the swagger and has been around the talent he is around now.
- Yearick comes in with a humble perspective and definitely needed the spring to get used to the step up in talent.

Arm Strength
Calvert ++
Yearick +

Accuracy
Calvert ++
Yearick ++

Athleticism
Calvert +
Yearick ++

Ability to run the system
Calvert +
Yearick ++

The question comes down to if the coaches want someone who is a little bit further along in overall talent in Calvert or if they want someone who can step in and run the system better if Masha goes down in Yearick.

Lets see, where do I begin. Actually it can be anywhere YOU are ABSOLUTELY WRONG. PERIOD