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The stats you gave were for what Dez did 2 years ago before his ACL injury. He is not the same player now. This year he is averaging 3.8 ypc. Abnar was averaging 5.8 before he went down. Actually, after a promising start against Deleware St. Rice´s numbers are even worse.

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RUSHING GP-GS Att Gain Loss Net Avg TD Long Avg/G
RICE, Desmond 12-11 186 1032 65 967 5.2 16 46 80.6 2013
ABNAR, D.J. 14-14 292 1342 53 1289 4.4 15 41 92.1 2014


This is the production from both players in both respective years. Again, its my opinion that 2 should have been starting over 26. So I don't see how you were trying to skew your numbers but if we gonna do it lets do it right.

[olldflame]

IMHO none of those stats are really relevant to who should have been getting the carries this season. These are:

GP/GS att Gain Loss Net Avg TD Long Avg/gm
RICE, Desmond 10-8 145 604 50 554 3.8 8 29 55.4
ABNAR, D.J. 6-2 46 287 19 268 5.8 1 67 44.7

We will never really know what would have happened if Abner had carried the ball more, and for sure most of the problems in our run game start with the OL, but I´ll take almost 6ypc over less than 4 every time.

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its only relevant from the standpoint of that is how the starter was aptly named going into this year. Most of the time its usually that both get the same plays called for them and its who does better with those plays. I am not sure if it was based off of pass protection or what, but whatever it was the running game hasn't been the same, but I am going to try and put an end to this right now with this actual factual numbers. Its obvious to me the tried feeding the ball to 26 more and in fact it seems that 2 did more with less attempts.

RUSHING No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg.
RICE, Desmond 20 145 6 139 2 27 6.9 Delaware St
ABNAR, D.J. 13 89 9 80 0 24 6.2

RUSHING No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg.
RICE, Desmond 11 47 10 37 0 29 3.4
MACON, Todd 8 31 0 31 1 7 3.9 WVA
ABNAR, D.J. 5 16 0 16 0 5 3.2

RUSHING No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg.
ABNAR, D.J. 8 58 0 58 1 40 7.2
RICE, Desmond 20 56 7 49 0 8 2.5 Montana

RUSHING No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg.
MACON, Todd 10 30 2 28 1 6 2.8
ABNAR, D.J 7 27 3 24 0 9 3.4 Southern Illinois
RICE, Desmond 12 23 1 22 0 5 1.8

RUSHING No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg.
ABNAR, D.J. 10 90 2 88 0 67 8.8
RICE, Desmond 22 90 3 87 3 23 4.0 Georgia St.

Do I need to continue Sir, so if this doesn't help put in your mind that there was some Loyalty over production, then sir we will just have to agree to disagree, the proof is in the PRODUCTION. Less carries, Less LOST yardage and a better Avg. And to boot he was hurt in a cpl games which gave Macon a few more carries.

[flamesfan4life1]

IMHO none of those stats are really relevant to who should have been getting the carries this season. These are:

GP/GS att Gain Loss Net Avg TD Long Avg/gm
RICE, Desmond 10-8 145 604 50 554 3.8 8 29 55.4
ABNAR, D.J. 6-2 46 287 19 268 5.8 1 67 44.7

We will never really know what would have happened if Abner had carried the ball more, and for sure most of the problems in our run game start with the OL, but I´ll take almost 6ypc over less than 4 every time.

Once again like I said earlier if Abnar was the "guy" getting more carries it would have been the same result. Most people on here agree that the offensive line play was terrible which killed the run game. I'm curious why in the world you think anybody running the ball was going to do well or be a game changer in that area. Also I'm not sure if Rice was the "same guy" as he was in 2013 but the coaching staff certainly seemed to think so since they chose him over Abnar. Also I think it's hard to say whether or not he was the same guy because the O-line was terrible. Hopefully they get that corrected for Macon and Hickson next season

[flamesfan4life1]

its only relevant from the standpoint of that is how the starter was aptly named going into this year. Most of the time its usually that both get the same plays called for them and its who does better with those plays. I am not sure if it was based off of pass protection or what, but whatever it was the running game hasn't been the same, but I am going to try and put an end to this right now with this actual factual numbers. Its obvious to me the tried feeding the ball to 26 more and in fact it seems that 2 did more with less attempts.

RUSHING No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg.
RICE, Desmond 20 145 6 139 2 27 6.9 Delaware St
ABNAR, D.J. 13 89 9 80 0 24 6.2

RUSHING No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg.
RICE, Desmond 11 47 10 37 0 29 3.4
MACON, Todd 8 31 0 31 1 7 3.9 WVA
ABNAR, D.J. 5 16 0 16 0 5 3.2

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RUSHING No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg.
ABNAR, D.J. 8 58 0 58 1 40 7.2
RICE, Desmond 20 56 7 49 0 8 2.5 Montana

RUSHING No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg.
MACON, Todd 10 30 2 28 1 6 2.8
ABNAR, D.J 7 27 3 24 0 9 3.4 Southern Illinois
RICE, Desmond 12 23 1 22 0 5 1.8

RUSHING No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg.
ABNAR, D.J. 10 90 2 88 0 67 8.8
RICE, Desmond 22 90 3 87 3 23 4.0 Georgia St.

Do I need to continue Sir, so if this doesn't help put in your mind that there was some Loyalty over production, then sir we will just have to agree to disagree, the proof is in the PRODUCTION. Less carries, Less LOST yardage and a better Avg. And to boot he was hurt in a cpl games which gave Macon a few more carries.

My numbers were also factual. You started out this conversation by saying DJ deserved to be the starter heading into the season because of his production in 2014. I told you Rice's stats in 2013 were just as good if not better and because of that he deserved to be the starter just as much as Abnar did. Rice's stats obviously weren't better this season and I attribute that to the offensive line play. If roles were reversed and Abnar was starting at the beginning of the season do I think it would have been any better, I doubt it. I could very well be wrong and Abnar could have done better but we will never know. Also once he finally did get the "starting position" he got hurt which was unfortunate for him and the team. I really don't know why were arguing about this though because no matter who was starting at that position they have played the same amount of plays this year. They may not have gotten the same amount of run plays but when Abnar was healthy he and Rice were in the game an equal amount of time.

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its only relevant from the standpoint of that is how the starter was aptly named going into this year. Most of the time its usually that both get the same plays called for them and its who does better with those plays. I am not sure if it was based off of pass protection or what, but whatever it was the running game hasn't been the same, but I am going to try and put an end to this right now with this actual factual numbers. Its obvious to me the tried feeding the ball to 26 more and in fact it seems that 2 did more with less attempts.

RUSHING No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg.
RICE, Desmond 20 145 6 139 2 27 6.9 Delaware St
ABNAR, D.J. 13 89 9 80 0 24 6.2

RUSHING No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg.
RICE, Desmond 11 47 10 37 0 29 3.4
MACON, Todd 8 31 0 31 1 7 3.9 WVA
ABNAR, D.J. 5 16 0 16 0 5 3.2

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RUSHING No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg.
ABNAR, D.J. 8 58 0 58 1 40 7.2
RICE, Desmond 20 56 7 49 0 8 2.5 Montana

RUSHING No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg.
MACON, Todd 10 30 2 28 1 6 2.8
ABNAR, D.J 7 27 3 24 0 9 3.4 Southern Illinois
RICE, Desmond 12 23 1 22 0 5 1.8

RUSHING No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg.
ABNAR, D.J. 10 90 2 88 0 67 8.8
RICE, Desmond 22 90 3 87 3 23 4.0 Georgia St.

Do I need to continue Sir, so if this doesn't help put in your mind that there was some Loyalty over production, then sir we will just have to agree to disagree, the proof is in the PRODUCTION. Less carries, Less LOST yardage and a better Avg. And to boot he was hurt in a cpl games which gave Macon a few more carries.

My numbers were also factual. You started out this conversation by saying DJ deserved to be the starter heading into the season because of his production in 2014. I told you Rice's stats in 2013 were just as good if not better and because of that he deserved to be the starter just as much as Abnar did. Rice's stats obviously weren't better this season and I attribute that to the offensive line play. If roles were reversed and Abnar was starting at the beginning of the season do I think it would have been any better, I doubt it. I could very well be wrong and Abnar could have done better but we will never know. Also once he finally did get the "starting position" he got hurt which was unfortunate for him and the team. I really don't know why were arguing about this though because no matter who was starting at that position they have played the same amount of plays this year. They may not have gotten the same amount of run plays but when Abnar was healthy he and Rice were in the game an equal amount of time.

My point is with the same O-line 2 did better than 26, so yes the line was bad but one was able to a bit more, saying that the consolation prize is that they were both in the game the same amount of plays does means nothing. I only go off PRODUCTION. You say if the roles were reversed would it have been different, only the man upstairs can answer that, but PRODUCTION on the field says yes. So like I said all along its just my opinion that 2 should have been the starter over 26 this year, and they waited(imo) to long to try and make a switch.

[flamesfan4life1]

Fair enough

[Purple Haize]

Dre Barns

[jack_sparrow81]

Eugene Goodman

[Purple Haize]

Eugene Goodman

Not a bad back up.

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Zach Terrell

[Purple Haize]

Zach Terrell

Not a bad 3rd stringer or Scout Team guy

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whoa, I had him pegged as a 3rd down guy

Gado
Jennings
Terrell
Goodman


also for everyone wanting HCTG out, they should listen to the podcast with DJ and how he talks about the man, no doubt about it this is the guy for this school, (imo)

[alabama24]

Only idiots want HCTG out. Nevertheless, this was a very disappointing season.

[adam42381]

Only idiots want HCTG out. Nevertheless, this was a very disappointing season.

Well, I don't consider myself to be an idiot and I want him out. It's time to move on.

[thepostman]

Idiot!

[olldflame]

Yes SJ, we have lost our last 2 games to CSU after dominating them for years. You can blame Gill, or you can give credit to Chadwell, the coach you have pretty much said will be moving on to bigger and better things after this year because of the turnaround he has engineered in that program, which is nothing short of remarkable. Could he coach at Liberty? I honestly don´t know enough about him to say.

[Purple Haize]

Only idiots want HCTG out. Nevertheless, this was a very disappointing season.

Only an idiot would think Dre Barnes wouldn't be our #1 back. That kid was A. Maz. Ing. Before his knee blew out.

[Cider Jim]

Only an idiot would think Dre Barnes wouldn't be our #1 back. That kid was A. Maz. Ing.

Lou Holtz wanted to know why Barnes was starting ahead of Gado at LU, after Gado earned the starting job for the Packers.

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Only idiots want HCTG out. Nevertheless, this was a very disappointing season.

Only an idiot would think Dre Barnes wouldn't be our #1 back. That kid was A. Maz. Ing. Before his knee blew out.

idk, because that was before my era of LU. knees blowing out should knock him down the list if he couldn't give you the full time.

[BJWilliams]

Dre Barnes was I think my first or second year at Liberty. Id say if I had to make an all-time lineup Id go with Rashad and Dre as my backs with Sam as my third (which would be a pretty nice stable I think)

[olldflame]

I don´t recall Dre having a serious knee injury. He missed a few games one year with a Miniscus or something like that. He had an amazing combination of quickness and balance as well as surprising strength for his size. His straight ahead speed was not that great though, and I suspect a mediocre 40 time kept him from a shot at the NFL. Sam Gado was not as good a running back as Barnes when he was in college. He was a raw talent with size and speed which is what the league is looking for, so he got an opportunity and ran with it.

[Purple Haize]

I don´t recall Dre having a serious knee injury. He missed a few games one year with a Miniscus or something like that. He had an amazing combination of quickness and balance as well as surprising strength for his size. His straight ahead speed was not that great though, and I suspect a mediocre 40 time kept him from a shot at the NFL. Sam Gado was not as good a running back as Barnes when he was in college. He was a raw talent with size and speed which is what the league is looking for, so he got an opportunity and ran with it.

What was put out publicly and what the injury was were two different things

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I don´t recall Dre having a serious knee injury. He missed a few games one year with a Miniscus or something like that. He had an amazing combination of quickness and balance as well as surprising strength for his size. His straight ahead speed was not that great though, and I suspect a mediocre 40 time kept him from a shot at the NFL. Sam Gado was not as good a running back as Barnes when he was in college. He was a raw talent with size and speed which is what the league is looking for, so he got an opportunity and ran with it.

What was put out publicly and what the injury was were two different things

oh, you mean lower body injury, but really your possibly in a body cast