[jcmanson]

Not specifically a Lehigh comment, but on a sidenote to the receiver comments, does anyone know if Darrin Peterson has played or is he potentially getting redshirted? Really hoping he can be a playmaker at some point in his career.

Peterson has played a little and is NOT getting redshirted.

[Dr. Sheh]

I'm late to the party, but I would agree with Super's assessment and the sentiment many have expressed on our struggles.

Not sure if this has already been said, but why not give the ball to Aldreakis more? He looked great out there. Pound it out with him and take some pressure off Woodrum. That should be our offensive gameplan for the rest of the year. Maybe he didn't produce as much as he should have the first 2 games, but he seems to have turned a corner. It would be stupid not to use him more!

[Kolzilla41]

I know this team is better than their record. I have full confidence that this team will be highly competitive in the BS and wouldn't be surprised if they win it. What concerns me is we have made the same mistakes, in almost the exact same spots of the last 4 games. I hope they get those fixed.

[jcmanson]

Why was KFogg NOT returning punts? I know he banged up his foot early in the game, but he looked fine towards the end. As pitiful as we have been putting points on the board, we need his explosiveness.

Heck, I'm all for putting KFogg at receiver in some packages.

[R i]

Ayers Looked good on the one he got a chance to return.

[BJWilliams]

Agreed r i...I think he was one or two moves away from breaking that one

[jcmanson]

Still not K Fogg

[BJWilliams]

He isnt (I was telling someone with me at the game that he has a chance to be returning kicks on Sundays next year), but FF4E's boy did a decent job when he had the chance to return

[Sly Fox]

I wonder if having Kevin manned up on Spadola nearly every play wasn't valued as a greater use of his energy than returning punts? Just hypothesizing.

[Rooster Cogburn]

I still want to know what a corner with those skills wasn't a starter at corner last year. Just sayin

[Bigsouthking]

It's Buffalo. You took the time to look up his record. The least you could have done is look at the records before and then after Gill
Since going 1A, here is buffalo's seasons with Gill in red
0-11
2-9
3-8
1-11
1-11
2-9
1-10
2-10
5-7
8-6
5-7


And his records are something to be proud of.... Man most of you guys make major excuses for people in general or you think WAY more highly of Flames football than has really been accomplished. Throw in his Kansas records. And also 0-4 at LU. But like I say the schedule gets easier...
2-10
3-9

Are we really going to pretend like that is pedestrian?[/quote]

[Purple Haize]

Which is why we will judge him by what he does here. Is that such a crazy notion?

[rogers3]

If anyone has a question about the 4 false starts, maybe they should head up to the field and ask #64. I think he was the one who got called each time.

WR - No play makers with no speed. We have 3 star recruits who are not playing and we put walk-ons out there. Henderson, Pratt, and maybe Pederson were highly recruited. What is up with that.

I must be missing something. I doubt if we'll see much better than the way Pat Kelley plays as a receiver- he is a play maker. Is the question why we don't have another out there with him or that he isn't as good as guys on the bench?

If you think the O-Line is as good as last year, you are wrong. Boyd being out has made a difference. Both lines seemed to be lacking after a couple of injuries sidelined guys that were real anchors.

We only have one problem- every time we T/O, the opponent scores- twice against Lehigh, three times against Montana.

[chukels911]

Why was KFogg NOT returning punts? I know he banged up his foot early in the game, but he looked fine towards the end. As pitiful as we have been putting points on the board, we need his explosiveness.

Heck, I'm all for putting KFogg at receiver in some packages.

I agree, I would love to see Fogg in the slot, i'm sure he can get separation with his speed. He could be a down-field threat (even though his isnt the tallest)

[jcmanson]

It's Buffalo. You took the time to look up his record. The least you could have done is look at the records before and then after Gill
Since going 1A, here is buffalo's seasons with Gill in red
0-11
2-9
3-8
1-11
1-11
2-9
1-10
2-10
5-7
8-6
5-7


And his records are something to be proud of.... Man most of you guys make major excuses for people in general or you think WAY more highly of Flames football than has really been accomplished. Throw in his Kansas records. And also 0-4 at LU. But like I say the schedule gets easier...
2-10
3-9

Are we really going to pretend like that is pedestrian?

[/quote]

Don't really understand your post with the bad formatting. Are you saying Liberty goes 2-10 or 3-9 this year?

[jcmanson]

I wonder if having Kevin manned up on Spadola nearly every play wasn't valued as a greater use of his energy than returning punts? Just hypothesizing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Fogg was rarely matched up with Spadola one on one.

[forbidden]

If anyone has a question about the 4 false starts, maybe they should head up to the field and ask #64. I think he was the one who got called each time.

WR - No play makers with no speed. We have 3 star recruits who are not playing and we put walk-ons out there. Henderson, Pratt, and maybe Pederson were highly recruited. What is up with that.[/quote]

I must be missing something. I doubt if we'll see much better than the way Pat Kelley plays as a receiver- he is a play maker. Is the question why we don't have another out there with him or that he isn't as good as guys on the bench?

If you think the O-Line is as good as last year, you are wrong. Boyd being out has made a difference. Both lines seemed to be lacking after a couple of injuries sidelined guys that were real anchors.

We only have one problem- every time we T/O, the opponent scores- twice against Lehigh, three times against Montana.

I must be missing something. I doubt if we'll see much better than the way Pat Kelley plays as a receiver- he is a play maker. Is the question why we don't have another out there with him or that he isn't as good as guys on the bench?


PK is the most experienced, that doesnt make him the most explosive, he is what he is, a nice #2 but on this team he is expected to be the number 1. He makes catches going across the middle, he makes catches to move the chains but there is no GAME BREAKING type of catch (hitch make em miss) and to the house. There has been no one at the WR possition that I have seen do this, #17 Dutra reminds me basically of the same thing, and #83 because he he probably the fastest is used as the run em off guy and they may be doubling PK #17 sits em down, now like someone else stated earlier either peterson doesnt know plays or something is wrong with him not being able to get on the field.


DB's - other than KF i really havent seen to much out of this group and trust me im looking hard. They are giving up big third downs but also like somebody said gotta have a pass rush to help them out. TBH only person I think has impressed me has been #19 WA with the way they matched him up with the WR from NSU. He only had like one catch on the night. I know KF has the two ints in the endzone on 2pt conversions but as a DB you cant be afraid to gamble, be afraid to make a play, and sometimes there is some hesitancy to do that.

LB's - Bottom line other than #45 a tackling machine this unit has been hit hard with injuries and other reasons for not being a better unit on the field. That can all be resolved and to be honest Ii think in certain situations you could prolly bring #8 Vinson down and play WLB due to the fact that with the defense you played last year he was down there alot anyway.

DL - No consistent pass push period. #60 great motor a little undersized #16 only has one move and thats been the rip and then gets washed up field, looks like he is trying to get his Dwight Freeney on but hasnt been able to get his pad level down enough to turn the corner on the Offensive Tackle.

I love this stuff I could go on and on all day. this is a good football team and the one thing I will say is this from days of being in the locker room, when the light turns green everything the coaches have said in the past will click, all the remembering the close losses and how they lost will click and this team will roll, and I think all will be good again in the land of LU

[Rooster Cogburn]

I thought Fogg had Spadola more than half the time. And I agree Pat is a Big play guy, but he is being double teamed and not being Featured in Big plays. We have not run very many Big Play Plays and when we do the QBs both seem a small amount out of sync and we miss. Things like breaking in a new offense and a new QB (or 2) and a bunch of new WRs take time. They will gel and Pat will be a Big Play guy again like he's been in the past.
I think it's funny that most said before the year that it would be a bit of a rebuilding year and now many are wondering why we are 0-4. We have basically started over and it takes time to get in sync.

[ProudPapa73]

Team Stat Comparison

Look at the first five and you see LIB WINS!
LEH LIB
1st Downs 9 23
Total Yards 301 488
Passing 195 247
Rushing 106 241
Possession 17:35 42:25

Then factor in these and now you know the rest of the story...
Penalties 4-27 12-83
Turnovers 0 2
Ughhh...
...we can fix this!

Go Flames!

[Rooster Cogburn]

FYI #13 in the country in time of possession. #89 in fewest penalties. At least it's fixable.

[jcmanson]

FYI #82 in the country in scoring offense

[LUconn]

Time of possession is misleading. You'll possess the ball a lot longer than your opponent if you keep giving them such short fields.

[Bigsouthking]

It's Buffalo. You took the time to look up his record. The least you could have done is look at the records before and then after Gill
Since going 1A, here is buffalo's seasons with Gill in red
0-11
2-9
3-8
1-11
1-11
2-9
1-10
2-10
5-7
8-6
5-7


And his records are something to be proud of.... Man most of you guys make major excuses for people in general or you think WAY more highly of Flames football than has really been accomplished. Throw in his Kansas records. And also 0-4 at LU. But like I say the schedule gets easier...
2-10
3-9

Are we really going to pretend like that is pedestrian?

Don't really understand your post with the bad formatting. Are you saying Liberty goes 2-10 or 3-9 this year?[/quote]

I messed up the format... my comments start there in the middle and stop with 'easier...'

The record shown were TG records at Kansas, previous guy posted that...

Liberty will beat CSU, VMI, PC, GW at least... they'll get to probably 5 wins. like I been saying the Big South is bad so the schedule gets easier.

[jcmanson]

Ok, just making sure.

[NotAJerry]

PK is the most experienced, that doesnt make him the most explosive, he is what he is, a nice #2 but on this team he is expected to be the number 1. He makes catches going across the middle, he makes catches to move the chains but there is no GAME BREAKING type of catch (hitch make em miss) and to the house. There has been no one at the WR possition that I have seen do this, #17 Dutra reminds me basically of the same thing, and #83 because he he probably the fastest is used as the run em off guy and they may be doubling PK #17 sits em down, now like someone else stated earlier either peterson doesnt know plays or something is wrong with him not being able to get on the field.


DB's - other than KF i really havent seen to much out of this group and trust me im looking hard. They are giving up big third downs but also like somebody said gotta have a pass rush to help them out. TBH only person I think has impressed me has been #19 WA with the way they matched him up with the WR from NSU. He only had like one catch on the night. I know KF has the two ints in the endzone on 2pt conversions but as a DB you cant be afraid to gamble, be afraid to make a play, and sometimes there is some hesitancy to do that.

LB's - Bottom line other than #45 a tackling machine this unit has been hit hard with injuries and other reasons for not being a better unit on the field. That can all be resolved and to be honest Ii think in certain situations you could prolly bring #8 Vinson down and play WLB due to the fact that with the defense you played last year he was down there alot anyway.

Agreed on Kelly at WR. He's the Art Monk but this group has no Gary Clark or Ricky Sanders.

I've like the play of Hagen (#27) at S has been solid and he's only a sophomore, so there's one other DB playing decently well. Vinson has been okay as well, and you're right about his tackling being good enough that he might be okay at LB in a few situations.

At LB, Hyland (#30) has seemed to improve each game, but that's still just one guy other than Sigmon making plays.

Injuries have made a difference, but so have scheme changes. The DL is a trainwreck right now, but there is a little bit at LB and DB that may point to some improvement later on.