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By belcherboy
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http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/mar/24/ ... ed-ticket/
Mark Tomasik: Don't discount Gore-led ticket

By Mark Tomasik
Monday, March 24, 2008

U.S. Rep. Tim Mahoney, whose district includes much of Martin and St. Lucie counties, is hoping he won't have to attend the Democratic Party national convention in Denver in August.

If he does go, that will mean the Democrats still haven't decided a nominee for the presidential election. And if neither Sen. Hillary Clinton nor Sen. Barack Obama has clinched the nomination by August, Mahoney says we may see a brokered convention, meaning the nominee could emerge from a negotiated settlement.

"If it (the nomination process) goes into the convention, don't be surprised if someone different is at the top of the ticket," Mahoney said.

A compromise candidate could be someone such as former vice president Al Gore, Mahoney said last week during a meeting with this news organization's editorial board.

If either Clinton or Obama suggested to a deadlocked convention a ticket of Gore-Clinton or Gore-Obama, the Democratic Party would accept it, Mahoney said.

Mahoney, who is one of the superdelegates who gets to cast a vote at the convention, hasn't endorsed a candidate. He said he doesn't intend to endorse anyone because "I don't see it as my job as a district representative" to endorse a nominee for the presidential race.

If neither Clinton nor Obama has enough delegates to secure the nomination by the time the convention starts Aug. 25, Mahoney will have to cast a superdelegate vote for someone. Superdelegates make up about one-fifth of the total number of delegates to the convention and are free to support any candidate for nomination. Most superdelegates are current or former elected officeholders or party officials.

As an uncommitted superdelegate, Mahoney said he has been wooed by Clinton and Obama for an endorsement. Clinton has been the more aggressive solicitor, Mahoney said.

Mahoney said he has met twice with Obama. He has met more often with Clinton. Two weeks ago, Mahoney attended a cocktail party at Clinton's house in Washington, D.C., he said. Mahoney told of how impressed he is by Clinton's commitment to helping people and her human touch. When Clinton learned that Mahoney's daughter is interested in horses, she called the girl to encourage her interest, Mahoney said.

While Mahoney hasn't committed to either contender, he clearly likes Clinton and her stance on issues. He praised her for having a grasp of matters of importance to Floridians, especially homeowners insurance reform. (He also made the point that Sen. John McCain, the apparent Republican presidential nominee, is the only candidate in either party not to support national reform of homeowners insurance.)

Mahoney described Clinton as being "incredibly bright, very personable" and having "an unbelievable grasp of policy" during his meetings with her.

Mahoney said he had intended to skip the convention because "I have better things to do in my district" than attend what recently has become a glorified pep rally. He will stay away if his superdelegate vote isn't needed. Meanwhile, he's lobbying to get the results of the Jan. 29 Florida primary vote to count.

The national Democratic Party and its chairman, Howard Dean, stripped Florida of its delegates as punishment for violating party rules by moving up the state's primary date from March to Jan. 29. Dean banned the Democratic candidates from campaigning in Florida. Still, a record 1.75 million Democrats voted in the Florida primary. Clinton won by 17 percentage points.

A recent statewide poll of registered Democratic voters by the St. Petersburg Times and its television partner showed that the campaigning boycott of Florida had little effect on Democratic voters� choices in the Jan. 29 primary. The poll showed that 56 percent said the lack of campaigning had "no effect at all" on their vote. Also, 77 percent of the people polled said that it is "very important" to them that the results of the Jan. 29 primary count.

Mirroring our editorial board's position and the poll results, Mahoney said the Jan. 29 results should be counted and the full slate of delegates should be seated at the convention.

"The delegates have to be treated fairly and responsibly and given full weight," Mahoney said.

The St. Petersburg Times poll showed that one in four state Democrats might not vote for the party's nominee if Florida delegates aren't given a full say in the presidential nomination. That would seem to indicate that all Florida Democratic candidates for office in November could be in jeopardy of losing support.

Mahoney dismisses this notion, saying the issues are too important for Democratic voters to either sit out the election or vote Republican. Democrats need to first clean up the mess they made in Florida and honor the votes of the Jan. 29 primary before they try to convince voters they successfully can govern the nation.
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By Cider Jim
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Sly did call it on Feb. 24:
Sly Fox wrote:Don't be shocked with a brokered convention to see the democratic nominee be .... Al Gore.

And no, that was not a poor attempt at humor. Its not likely but still a real possibility. He'll be the only dem possibility not covered in mud.
So if that happens, the best Obama or Hillary can get is VP? That's an amazing potential turn of events, and could be discussed in the poli-sci textbooks for decades.
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By JDUB
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that would be very interesting
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By flamesbball84
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so the dems want to lose the election again? lol
By HenryGale
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flamesbball84 wrote:so the dems want to lose the election again? lol
I think a Gore/Obama/Clinton ticket could be very strong.
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By mrmacphisto
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People worship Gore now. Whether he deserves it or not, he's got credibility with many, many people. If he gets the nomination, I would not count him out, especially if he's running with Clinton. I don't see Obama as a VP candidate though.
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By flamesbball84
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mrmacphisto wrote:People worship Gore now. Whether he deserves it or not, he's got credibility with many, many people. If he gets the nomination, I would not count him out, especially if he's running with Clinton. I don't see Obama as a VP candidate though.
Yeah, Gore did invent the internet and discover Global Warming...
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By mrmacphisto
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flamesbball84 wrote:
mrmacphisto wrote:People worship Gore now. Whether he deserves it or not, he's got credibility with many, many people. If he gets the nomination, I would not count him out, especially if he's running with Clinton. I don't see Obama as a VP candidate though.
Yeah, Gore did invent the internet and discover Global Warming...
You joke, but people actually believe this.
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By matshark
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I think the democratic voters would be ticked if someone they didn't vote for ended up as the presidential candidate.

EDITED------

Found this 10 min. ago on Fox News

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/26 ... -november/
By TDDance234
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The best thing that could have happened for the GOP's in this election is Clinton and Obama tearing each other apart.
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By Fumblerooskies
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...and the WORST thing would be Prince Albert riding in on his low-emissions white stallion to save the day for the dems. Gore-Obama would be unstoppable.
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By matshark
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I'm not sure how Prince Albert vs. Ralph Nader would turn out...

I just know that Gore in the WH would be an economic DISASTER for America... anybody ELSE wanna know how much he's got invested in "Environmentally Friendly" companies. Carbon Credits my foot!
By phoenix
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I have a feeling Nader would back out if Gore was nominated. Gore cares enough about Nader's core issue (heck, his only issue) that Nader may leave the race.
By belcherboy
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phoenix wrote:I have a feeling Nader would back out if Gore was nominated. Gore cares enough about Nader's core issue (heck, his only issue) that Nader may leave the race.
Wasn't Nader a candidate in 2000? If so, what would change that would keep Nader out this time around?
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By Fumblerooskies
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...and the dems STILL blame Nader for costing them the election in 2000....just like Perot cost the GOP the election in 92.
By Ed Dantes
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How can Gore lead the ticket? As it stands right now, neither Clinton nor Obama will have enough delegates to secure the nomination come convention time. Still, they have amassed more than enough delegates to shut out anyone else of the process. If Gore comes riding in and announces his candidacy tomorrow, he won't come anywhere close to having enough delegates.
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By Sly Fox
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A brokered convention throws all of that out the window, Mr. Dantes. If we get to that points (which is looking more likely by the day) then it will be some of the best television viewing in decades.
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By mrmacphisto
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Fumblerooskies wrote:Gore-Obama would be unstoppable.
The VP candidate is a non-issue. People don't vote because of who the VP candidate is. They're voting for President.

Before you disagree, remember we re-elected Dick Cheney.
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By JDUB
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don't forget john edwards still has some delegates to give away or however that works
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By RagingTireFire
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mrmacphisto wrote: Before you disagree, remember we re-elected Dick Cheney.
What did you expect us to do? He had a shotgun and a known willingness to use it.
By 4everfsu
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It will never happen
By belcherboy
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Ed Dantes wrote:How can Gore lead the ticket? As it stands right now, neither Clinton nor Obama will have enough delegates to secure the nomination come convention time. Still, they have amassed more than enough delegates to shut out anyone else of the process. If Gore comes riding in and announces his candidacy tomorrow, he won't come anywhere close to having enough delegates.
In a brokered convention, they can basically choose anyone they like. If neither candidate has enough votes, than it is possible they could throw out both candidates and bring in someone from the outside.

The longer this thing goes, the more likely the Dem's will lose the presidential election in a year where it is hand wrapped for them. Slowing economy, unpopular war, high gas prices, mortgage problems, etc. should have been the death sentence to the incumbent party of the president. Right now McCain would pretty easily win the election IMO. Lots can change in 7 months though!!
By Ed Dantes
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I guess what I'm trying to say is, how can there be a brokered convention? Either Hillary or Obama will have a majority of the delegates after the first ballot. All the super delegates will cast their vote for whoever, and one of the candidates will have at least 50.1% of the delegates.
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By RagingTireFire
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In order to secure the Dem nomination, a candidate needs 2,024 votes which as Ed said would be a straight majority of the 4,047 delegates. However, there are only 3,253 delegates that pledge as the result of primary elections; the remaining 750 votes are superdelegates who are free to vote for whomever they choose.

The problem in this case arises in that there's a significant chance that neither Obama nor Hillary secure the nomination based simply on state primaries and the nomination would then rest in the hands of the superdelegates, some of whom would want to "broker" some sort of deal in exchange for their vote and/or influence.
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