[whmatthews]

In my four years here I've tried to be recruited into a lot of pyramids. The newest one is called MonaVie Juices. Has anyone heard of this one, and what are your thoughts? Here is the thread between me and a guy on my hall who sent me a facebook message concerning Monavie. This is pretty long, so, read if you're bored like me.

Jack Jackson:
Hey, how’s it going? I have just started up in this network marketing business called Mona-Vie and I'm really excited about it. I've done some personal research on the company and tried out the product as well. The product is Mona-Vie. Mona-Vie is a vitamin-rich fruit drink that is made up of one of the best Super-foods (acai) in the world and a combination of 19 fruits all together. We're supposed to be eating one fruit a day to stay healthy. This business works like this: You buy the product to be used for marketing (4 bottles) a month and some for yourself if wanted (4 more bottles). That's 2 cases a month. Then you attempt to build legs underneath you and in return your legs will build legs under them. Very much like a pyramid. You being the top. This however is NOT a pyramid scheme. Like I said, I have researched this and talked to my dad as well about it. My dad is a doctor, specializing in heart care and works in the Cardiac unit/Intensive care unit at St. Mary's in NJ. Obviously he’s a pretty smart guy. He checked it out and not only gave me the go ahead, he recommended that I become involved and then he himself became involved. I just signed up and I am ready to go. If you are at all interested let me know. This business can bring in some serious cash. I’m hoping to be coming into some serious dough this summer....my brother, Cisco Victa P.h.D., acclaimed author and senior pastor of a church in NH just started 2 weeks ago and is now making over $200 a week. If that’s not enough evidence to prove that it is not a business for suckers, yesterday President Bill Clinton signed up! Anyways, Dr. Cisco, my brother, is hoping to be making 6 figures within a year’s time. The success and income gained is determined by how much time you put into it. It takes work, but I know your a go getter and can talk to people. And those two things are all you need to succeed in this business! If you want any more materials or info on the company let me know. Check out the link, it has a short video explaining everything in further detail.
-Jake Jackson

“The opportunity of a lifetime must be seized during the lifetime of the opportunity.”
-Unknown
MonaVieHeaderVideo.jpg
http://www.monavie.com/html/PlayDiscoveringMonaVie...

Will Matthews:
Pyramid.

Jake Jackson:
idiot.

Will Matthews:
Anything that has language like "attempt to build legs underneath you" and "in return your legs will build legs under them" and then says "But this isn't a pyramid"... is a pyramid, idiot.

Jake Jackson:
hahahaha awh the feeble mind of Will at work again. Cute, but in a completely pathetic sense. Sounds like someone has been talking to the always pessimistic, Isaac....a sharp tongue does not assume a keen mind. Poor kid doesn't know the meaning of the word opportunity; then again he doesn't know the meaning of most words. It's one thing to not be interested, it's entirely something else to shoot down someone else. Might want to write that down. Welp, just so you know, I don't think you're a fool Will. But then again, what's my opinion compared to hundreds of others.

P.s. My brother has his P.h.D. and he was the Val Victorian of his COLLEGE. Bill Clinton was the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. But chances are, you're right and they're wrong. Oh and uh...by the way, Pyramid schemes are a federal offense so if this was one, it couldn't exist haha...ttyl chief

This link is for you. http://piv.pivpiv.dk/

Chris Jacques:
Jake im in mona-vie already... I raked about 27 hundred in a good four months major part time... Im mostly in ACN. My dad does the mona-vie business for me an he got me that little card that lets me eat free everywhere. Anyway dont spend ur time refuting the broke ppl telling you that its a scam. Jus make the money an laugh at the opprotunity they missed. Lets jus say ACN paid 4 my car an people told me it was a pyramid scam... LAMES! Dont let broke ppl tell you how to get rich... U wouldn't ask a fat kid about how to lose weight.

Will Matthews:
Feeble mind of Jake. I haven't talked to Isaac, it's common sense. I've been here four years and have been attempted to be recruited numerous times. Where are these people months down the road who said it wasn't a scam? Losing money off of this crap. Not all pyramids are illegal, including this, which is classified as an MLM pyramid. And there is no legit proof Clinton is in this (why would he be?? He's the former President, he pretty much get what he wants and for free), and just because you're brother is a doctor doesn't mean anything; I know a lot of doctors who aren't in this.

http://www.corporatenarc.com/monavie-scam.php
http://community.myfoxdfw.com/blogs/skb ... id_Schemes
http://www.mlmwatch.org/01General/mlmlies.html
http://www.mlmwatch.org/01General/10lies.html
http://www.mlm-thewholetruth.com/mlm-list3.shtml
http://www.acai.vg/monavie_scam.html

Jake Jackson:
These links are from people like you. They make these low-budget sites that you are using in an attempt to discredit Mona-Vie. They’re all bias.

Read "your" links...According to these links it's labeled "MLM Marketing." I’m not even sure I know what that is, but I know it's not the same as MLM Pyramid or whatever you were claiming it to be.

I could include many links (from more credible sources), that would be pro-network marketing. It means nothing.

Having a president in your business says something to me. I would consider being the president of the world's superpower a success story. This is, by the way, documented that he is a Mona-Vie distributor. If I started a business I wouldn't mind having Hilary (not even a president) involved in my company. I might disagree with her on almost every political issue but she's more of a success than me...she's not a total moron; she's made some good decisions or she wouldn’t be where she is today! lol. Oh well, I don't expect you to be excited about something you’re already close-minded towards.

I don't know what people have been trying to sell you for 4 years. Mona-Vie is a 2 year old company. As the video says, there are 1 star hotels, and then there are 5 star resorts. I know about some others that are out there that tried recruiting me. As I said before, I researched before I joined.

Obviously there are a lot of doctors that are not in Mona Vie. What that proves, I don’t know?? However, my point was that my brother had to go through 4 more years of school than you have and on a higher level. A P.h.D. is not a small accomplishment. Not only that, but he excelled to the point of being the Val Victorian and president of his class. He’s on his 3rd book being published. (Look it up. Amazon.com). The point is he’s no sucker. If I had to decide on business advice from you or him, I would let the history do the talking.

Robert Kiyosaki, author of “rich dad, poor dad” (another success story; He’s written 18 books and sold over 26 million copies) has said how he not only agrees with the principles of network marketing but he condones them. Oh yeah, he’s also a financial expert advisor on yahoo.com.

Donald Trump, one of the richest men on the planet, you may have heard of him, also condones network marketing.

You may have heard this story before, but over the summer of 1998 Donald Trump made an appearance on the David Letterman show. David Letterman asked him what he would do if he lost everything and had to start over from scratch.

Without hesitating, Trump said he would find a good Network Marketing Company and get to work.

The audience started to shout and boo him (Will was there, lol just kidding). He looked out at the audience and his dead-pan response was - "That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all sitting out there!"

With Network Marketing, you don't just get paid ONCE from how hard and how long you work now, but you also earn money from work you did weeks, months, or even years ago.

Imagine, working 40 hours this week and not only getting paid for that, but also getting that same money every week for the rest of your life. The key to a Work-At-Home Network Marketing business is the 'work' part.

If you're willing to get to work, to give it a real blast, over the next 2 or 3 years, then you could realistically replace your full time income.

The harder you work over the next 2, 3 or 4 years will determine how much money you make with your Network Marketing business for the rest of your life. Simply amazing.

Lastly, I appreciate your concern but you don’t have to worry about me losing money. It's a 39 dollar investment. If I made nothing, which is already impossible, what's 39 bucks? Dinner. lol. Well worth the "risk." What other business can you start with 39 dollars??? Opening a pizza place would cost hundreds of thousands at least.

But set your mind at ease, network marketing is not for everyone. Some people just don't have what it takes. Some people aren't motivated enough. It's not a bad thing. It's just a matter of priority. Some people would rather work a 9 to 5 and they would be happy with that. It's not a bad thing, just preference.

Thanks for listening. You actually helped me to realize what a great thing I’ve gotten into.

Josh Rieke:
Jake it sounds like you need to get a real man's job. I hope college hasn't just taught you that you need to work 40 hours a week on a Pyramid-like network. Look, I hope you make some money in this, but have at least an ounce of skepticism that you might not get rich all that soon off this. just a thought...good luck

Will Matthews:
This is over Jake. You're a complete idiot with no good arguments. I'll come back and visit next semester while working a full time, paying job and I'll ask you how the MonaVie business is doing and we'll see where you're at.

TO BE CONTINUED ...

Thoughts??

[LUconn]

The success and income gained is determined by how much time you put into it. It takes work, but I know your a go getter and can talk to people.

This is true. Most of these things (including quixtar) can make you money if you work real hard at it. The primary problem, is nobody will like you or could stand to be around you. You will have alienated all of you friends by trying to get them into this, and you will find yourself talking to complete strangers who don't want to have anything to do with you. I once had a guy driving by, spot me, a young college aged guy, while I was getting gas. He made a U-turn and pulled into the station and pretended to clean his windshield. All so he could talk to me about my truck. Oh then he just happened to mention what kind of business he was in. This will be your mentality at least until you make your money back. Just get a regular job. You'll have more friends.

[Hold My Own]

There's one pyramid scam that sells juices that TO actually used and credits to getting him on the field so soon after his injury...but I think it's call Uni Juice or something like that

[Hold My Own]

Correction - NonI Juice

[RubberMallet]

its a pyramid skeem...thats all there is too it....everyone who is knee deep in it will defend it to the death...regardless of how stupid it is...

i've done one....and it involved golf crap...

the guy who recruited me was so desperate he offered to pay my $200 "entry fee"....so i said what the heck....i sent catalogs to all my golfing buddies and also gave them to the old guys at church and they would buy stuff occasionally (pretty much only on the sale flyers) i made like 50 bucks a month from it for a year and i really didn't do much.....the problem?...the calls....from this guy (who used to be my friend) screaming about me not selling enough and not recruiting my customers....and also the calls from all the guys above him....i'd get calls from about 5 people a week.....

there was no where that said i had to sell a certain amount see.....as long as i posted something sold in a qtr. these guys weren't nice at all, and i was living at home...my sales line was our "dial up" line that we still had for some reason. it still ran through our computer because it was when cable internet was very unstable....we had a caller id program for it....it didn't have a answering maching so sometimes it would ring for like 15 minutes...hilarious, then we slapped one on and man it was better than televison

"THIS IS WILL, YOU NEED TO START SELLING MORE, HOW CAN YOU SURVIVE ON WHAT YOU ARE MAKING"
"THIS IS MEL, YOU NEED TO PICK IT UP MY FAMILY IS STARVING"
"THIS IS WILL AGAIN, THEY ARE TAKING MY HOUSE FROM ME YOU BASTARD"..

these guys would try and make you feel guilty, like you are screwing their families over.....hilarious....

eventually i called the guy who got me into it and he apologized for even getting me into it.....he had quit his good job, did this full time, and was now filing for bankruptsy....lost a car and his boat....

[jcmanson]

Yeah, these things are all over the place, and they always look for college age people. My sister got caught up in one, and tried to sucker me in. I wasn't having any of it.

[Libertine]

I think Jake Jackson's new nickname should be "Cut N'Paste". He must have had a copy of the company newsletter handy or something.

[RubberMallet]

i actually read jakes last retort....thats hilarious....donald trump is a failure when it comes to actual business decisions...how many of his horrible endevours would ruin most any other people?...most of them...his fame has always pulled him through....

people who teach their dog to lick peanut butter out of their butt crack have also made it on letterman....

mr. xpresident here is XXX amount of dollars, please endorse our product...

Robert Kiyosaki's great financial success has not come from being a good businessman, its come from preying on people who want to become great businessmen. Rich Dad wasn't even a real person. me and my dad watched him on 20/20 last year where he gave some people 1000 bucks and advise and they basically didn't do that great, the guys said the guy speaks in anecdotes and never gives any real advise...

which is something you'll see if you ever read any of his books....all 18 books are basically the same thing....stories and quips that could motivate but dont' give you and real "how to" information....

all in all, there are success stories in these....there are just thousands of complete failures for eveyr success. and successful people aren't working 10 hrs a week....they are the ones who put in 50-60 hrs and are completely miserable, thus in my eyes still making them failures....

this jake guy once he realizes the work he's putting into it and that it isn't costing him JUST 38 bucks or whatever, will get the picture....but until hes hit rock bottom he'll defend his deplorable decision at no end...

[Cider Jim]

My wife is a big fan of Juice Plus, but that's probably something different.

[Libertine]

I'm a big fan of Juicy Juice. It makes me go poopy.

[whmatthews]

Here is the latest:

Will Matthews wrote:

Jake Jackson wrote:
No good arguments Will? "just because you're brother is a doctor doesn't mean anything; I know a lot of doctors who aren't in this."

I guess I could learn from you?

Ya, wayy over

Loooove the office by the way!!

Hope Night Phantom works out for ya...

Chris Jacques wrote:
4 the record Jake didnt say he was going to get rich off this in one semester... I find it to be very sad what an Network-Marketing organization can bring out of people. All I hear is working a full time job yadayada??? I have two radio shows, work part time at an airline office, an didn't even make half of what I made at ACN my first two months... Ive seen, met, an still live with people who have made it work... They still kept their jobs, an no offense their jobs aren't run of the mill. Neither are mine... So this I'll comeback after working a full time job is funny to me because u'll comeback with money 4 ur hours, while jake will be getting paid over an over for stuff he did over the summer. I still get money from my first customer. All this is jus weird to me??? Why dont u jus listen or trust people who in a real essence are a bit better off than you??? I trust my father, Owns his own business, lives in luxurious home in west palm beach, has over six cars which include a Range Rover and BMW 750 Li both of which range in over 90,000 in retail paid for, can pay for me and my lil sister to goto any school, was recognized nationally in front of the president (past an now current), and best of all a true philanthropist who donates more than 36% of his earnings to local churches an struggling businesses in the community... AN HE FREAKIN DOES Mona-Vie on the side jus for fun! Are u better than my dad??? Someone please tell me you know better than him... This is a mute argument! If Jake put down 39$ one day an because of that decision he made 40$ another JAKE WON! He never said he was gonna strike it rich, but he did put himself in position to be. Another thing I think it would be a bit wiser to try to look at things like betterbusinessbureau.com or BBB.org these are credible sources that are proven and un-biased... I can find sites that say Mike Vick is gay, or that Micheal Jackson molested Mike Tyson as a youth... Doesn't mean its true. Why listen to someone who jus didn't have what It took... I wont lie I've learned my lesson about ppl and thier negativity. Im not saying what im saying to change you will or josh or anyone one else for that matter because I know how these things work. Instead im using what I said to instill encouragement into Jake, its broke minded ppl who chase from pay-check to pay-check that discourage go getters from reaching their potential (this is only in a financial sense so please dont take this in a spiritual sense or be offended or what not) but its time to just let winners be winners an let losers be losers. Jake presented to you an opportunity to make money, He is an was your friend, instead of looking into it or trusting your friend who you kno wouldn't scam you; you chose to mock an belittle him. He stood up for himself very well i might add but ur mind is so fixated on negativity you still chose to fire away things like pyramid or real mans job.... If your a Ceo of a company you work in a pyramid! You have a board, upper management, middle management, supervisors, work force, an of course the help. But the Ceo who is sittin high an mighty gets the bulk of the cash while the help is scrubbing toilets. I never knew owning your name or legacy wasn't a real job??? if u disagree ask your boss? An if he has a problem as his... If they even let u speak to him. People who make money are not going to think like people who dont, so the point is unless you have a positive rebuttle or an alternative to what was presented to you... SHUT UP! Go work your job an do your thing, LOL if it means that much to you please come back an try to discourage Jake... Then jus wait 4 me to come by... Someone who's been involed a bit longer an please attempt to compete. Lets be honest here... My car is in my name, I raised over 30,000 dollars in less than six months making money basically 4 different ways. If u come back in a porshe ( oh wait lol a new one at least 07) I'll quit everything im doing an never speak of this again... The reality of them matter is its easy to discourage people cus no offense ur not coming back in a porshe anytime soon, so stupid comments like that dont help, the fact is I would never say something like that an mean it... What I would like to leave with you is the understanding that just because something is foreign to you, an you ask your parents ( who have hit their ceiling which all people do eventually), and you "do your research" which I dont understand because mona-vie has been in major business publications so in essense your researching research, doesn't mean you know what it is and if it would be right for you. So if your not interested jus say so an move on... DONT GO ON THESE "YOU IDIOT" OR "PYRAMID" RAMPAGES!!! YOUR NOT EVEN RICH!!!!!!!

Will Matthews wrote:
Ok, well, Jake, I'm through with this. You sent me a message to see if I was interested, so my answer is no, I'm not. I'm glad your brother got his doctorate in something other than business and is such an expert in marketing. Oh, and he was the VAL VICTORIAN (I assume you mean valedictorian... and I'm the idiot), so that makes him even smarter and even more an expert on marketing and business. And I disagree with you respectfully about Hillary... she is a complete moron and she didn't get where she is now because of how "smart" she is. And I'm so glad Chris has insight into how wealthy me and my family is, which has nothing to do with anything.

Mattison Brooks wrote:
Ok Will.....shut up. Really, I mean that. Ive seen you post now over a couple different things that me and my friends have put up. So shut your freekin mouth ok dude? NO ONE really cares about what you say, because were probably just gonna do it anyways. Your sense of whatever the heck you believe is falling on deaf ears ok brosef? Ive seen you tell my buddy to leave if he doesnt like Liberty, and ive seen you give Jake a hard time about his hobby. Who really cares if it or isnt? Hes still gonna do it! So keep your dang mouth shut and mind your own dang business ok brosef? Just dont bother us anymore, we really dont give a crap. Thanks bud.

[RubberMallet]

hahahah.....

my brother is a doctor and he does it.....

sorry i know plenty of doctors who couldn't make a business decision to savetheir life...

so i guess, yeah, your brother is probably a moron...

so let me get this straight...

this guy pushes his "hobby on you"

you retort saying its crap

he gets his buddy to reply to you in 1 1000 word sentence full of bad misspellings

and then another buddy who mumbles about noone cares what you think


hilarious....


"hey you should do this"

"no i wont because its stupid"

"who cares what you think"

"apparently, you"

[LUconn]

I trust anybody who uses the term "brosef" on a regular basis.

[RubberMallet]

yeah those dude sound like cork on the fork retards..

[Realist]

Here is the latest:

Will Matthews wrote:

Jake Jackson wrote:
No good arguments Will? "just because you're brother is a doctor doesn't mean anything; I know a lot of doctors who aren't in this."

I guess I could learn from you?

Ya, wayy over

Loooove the office by the way!!

Hope Night Phantom works out for ya...

Chris Jacques wrote:
4 the record Jake didnt say he was going to get rich off this in one semester... I find it to be very sad what an Network-Marketing organization can bring out of people. All I hear is working a full time job yadayada??? I have two radio shows, work part time at an airline office, an didn't even make half of what I made at ACN my first two months... Ive seen, met, an still live with people who have made it work... They still kept their jobs, an no offense their jobs aren't run of the mill. Neither are mine... So this I'll comeback after working a full time job is funny to me because u'll comeback with money 4 ur hours, while jake will be getting paid over an over for stuff he did over the summer. I still get money from my first customer. All this is jus weird to me??? Why dont u jus listen or trust people who in a real essence are a bit better off than you??? I trust my father, Owns his own business, lives in luxurious home in west palm beach, has over six cars which include a Range Rover and BMW 750 Li both of which range in over 90,000 in retail paid for, can pay for me and my lil sister to goto any school, was recognized nationally in front of the president (past an now current), and best of all a true philanthropist who donates more than 36% of his earnings to local churches an struggling businesses in the community... AN HE FREAKIN DOES Mona-Vie on the side jus for fun! Are u better than my dad??? Someone please tell me you know better than him... This is a mute argument! If Jake put down 39$ one day an because of that decision he made 40$ another JAKE WON! He never said he was gonna strike it rich, but he did put himself in position to be. Another thing I think it would be a bit wiser to try to look at things like betterbusinessbureau.com or BBB.org these are credible sources that are proven and un-biased... I can find sites that say Mike Vick is gay, or that Micheal Jackson molested Mike Tyson as a youth... Doesn't mean its true. Why listen to someone who jus didn't have what It took... I wont lie I've learned my lesson about ppl and thier negativity. Im not saying what im saying to change you will or josh or anyone one else for that matter because I know how these things work. Instead im using what I said to instill encouragement into Jake, its broke minded ppl who chase from pay-check to pay-check that discourage go getters from reaching their potential (this is only in a financial sense so please dont take this in a spiritual sense or be offended or what not) but its time to just let winners be winners an let losers be losers. Jake presented to you an opportunity to make money, He is an was your friend, instead of looking into it or trusting your friend who you kno wouldn't scam you; you chose to mock an belittle him. He stood up for himself very well i might add but ur mind is so fixated on negativity you still chose to fire away things like pyramid or real mans job.... If your a Ceo of a company you work in a pyramid! You have a board, upper management, middle management, supervisors, work force, an of course the help. But the Ceo who is sittin high an mighty gets the bulk of the cash while the help is scrubbing toilets. I never knew owning your name or legacy wasn't a real job??? if u disagree ask your boss? An if he has a problem as his... If they even let u speak to him. People who make money are not going to think like people who dont, so the point is unless you have a positive rebuttle or an alternative to what was presented to you... SHUT UP! Go work your job an do your thing, LOL if it means that much to you please come back an try to discourage Jake... Then jus wait 4 me to come by... Someone who's been involed a bit longer an please attempt to compete. Lets be honest here... My car is in my name, I raised over 30,000 dollars in less than six months making money basically 4 different ways. If u come back in a porshe ( oh wait lol a new one at least 07) I'll quit everything im doing an never speak of this again... The reality of them matter is its easy to discourage people cus no offense ur not coming back in a porshe anytime soon, so stupid comments like that dont help, the fact is I would never say something like that an mean it... What I would like to leave with you is the understanding that just because something is foreign to you, an you ask your parents ( who have hit their ceiling which all people do eventually), and you "do your research" which I dont understand because mona-vie has been in major business publications so in essense your researching research, doesn't mean you know what it is and if it would be right for you. So if your not interested jus say so an move on... DONT GO ON THESE "YOU IDIOT" OR "PYRAMID" RAMPAGES!!! YOUR NOT EVEN RICH!!!!!!!

Will Matthews wrote:
Ok, well, Jake, I'm through with this. You sent me a message to see if I was interested, so my answer is no, I'm not. I'm glad your brother got his doctorate in something other than business and is such an expert in marketing. Oh, and he was the VAL VICTORIAN (I assume you mean valedictorian... and I'm the idiot), so that makes him even smarter and even more an expert on marketing and business. And I disagree with you respectfully about Hillary... she is a complete moron and she didn't get where she is now because of how "smart" she is. And I'm so glad Chris has insight into how wealthy me and my family is, which has nothing to do with anything.

Mattison Brooks wrote:
Ok Will.....shut up. Really, I mean that. Ive seen you post now over a couple different things that me and my friends have put up. So shut your freekin mouth ok dude? NO ONE really cares about what you say, because were probably just gonna do it anyways. Your sense of whatever the heck you believe is falling on deaf ears ok brosef? Ive seen you tell my buddy to leave if he doesnt like Liberty, and ive seen you give Jake a hard time about his hobby. Who really cares if it or isnt? Hes still gonna do it! So keep your dang mouth shut and mind your own dang business ok brosef? Just dont bother us anymore, we really dont give a crap. Thanks bud.

Yeesh, let's hope this thing works out for them, scholars they are not.

[RubberMallet]

their father's and brothers who are doctors/philantropists/mimes/astronaughts who when it comes to vehicles, not even the Bugati is classy enough for their luxury requirements approve of it.... so i think they made a great decision.....

[El Scorcho]

Wait three years, track them down and ask them how it worked out for them.

I'm sure they'll all be rich and much too busy waxing their cars, boats and girlfriends to talk to you.

Actually they'll probably give you some lame excuse for why it didn't work out while asking if you'd love to hear about their latest opportunity.

[LUconn]

His father's description sounds exactly like the guy on an infomercial who's trying to get you to go immediately to http://www.money4free.instantriches.tv to buy his DVDs so you can learn his ultra mysterious meathods for buying real estate.

[ATrain]

Wait three years, track them down and ask them how it worked out for them.

I'm sure they'll all be rich and much too busy waxing their cars, boats and girlfriends to talk to you.

Actually they'll probably give you some lame excuse for why it didn't work out while asking if you'd love to hear about their latest opportunity.

Probably so

[Purple Haize]

Who said Amenhoteph was the last of the great pyramid builders?