[flamehunter]

seems straightforward. Employees received alert. “Possible” case. Presumptive positive. JCrew won’t confirm.

And it is being jumped on like one of the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse has just ridden into town

By whom?

[Purple Haize]

seems straightforward. Employees received alert. “Possible” case. Presumptive positive. JCrew won’t confirm.

And it is being jumped on like one of the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse has just ridden into town

By whom?

Look and listen to the breathless and gasping reporting. It mirrors the National reporting. The continuing conflation of contractions and mortality does no one any good.
Here’s what is a stone cold fact. There is more testing. This means more people who did not know they had it will now have it. That’s all. So as those numbers climb so will the panic. The number to be concerned about are those who appear symptomatic and at risk. If there’s an outbreak at a hospital or nursing home? That’s cause for concern. Some random person at JCrew? Meh. People who get tested who don’t really need to be tested is also going to be a huge issue.

[thepostman]

I read this article as pretty straight forward. Nothing sensational. Just facts. If we are talking about the 24/7 news channels, than that is a bit different.

[Yacht Rock]

I read this article as pretty straight forward. Nothing sensational. Just facts. If we are talking about the 24/7 news channels, than that is a bit different.

Yeah, it seemed pretty straight forward. Now, the comments on the various local Lynchburg social media sites is another story. But that's social media, not media media.

Once it became public, they had to report on it, and by reaching to the Health Dept, probably tempered any fears. Since the Health Department didn't receive notification, it puts into question whether someone was actually tested as presumptive positive. I wouldn't have known that if not for the news report. Would have just known what the J.Crew text said (since my wife used to work there and has friends that still do).

This honestly could be a situation of an employee calling into work and saying, "Hey, can't come in, I've tested positive for COVID-19" and the business responding the way they did. It might not even be true.

If you think that's not possible, I've seen employees do stuff like this in my time in business. I once had and employee tell me that they couldn't come into work because their face was eaten off by a guy who was high on bath salts.

Worst case scenario, if an employee at J.Crew did test presumptive positive, it confirms what we probably already knew. There are cases in are area. Which hopefully might make some people feel better about the measures taken right now.

[flameshaw]

FWIW, I just drove by App State and there are many students there cleaning out their rooms. I have been here for over a week now and the students haven't been visible the whole time.
Not sure what or when the decisions were made, but obviously there is not a cohesive plan with kids moving out mid-week.

[Yacht Rock]

Updated statement from J.Crew on their employee

Tuesday, March 17th, an associate in the Lynchburg Distribution Center was displaying flu-like symptoms and sent home shortly after arrival. Subsequently, we learned the individual had undergone a previous test for COVID-19. The associate was informed late yesterday evening of a positive result and that additional testing was required to confirm the results. Those testing results are pending with the CDC. Out of an abundance of caution and despite the associate having minimal interaction within the facility, and as a preventative measure, the Lynchburg Distribution Center has closed temporarily for deep cleaning in accordance with CDC guidelines. Associates will be paid during this time and customer orders will be processed when the facility reopens.

https://wset.com/news/coronavirus/emplo ... -in-forest

[TH Spangler]

Good advice

[olldflame]

Amazing to see how the mainstream media does their best to ignore the fact that 2 of the most left wing governors in the country, Andrew Coumo and Gavin Newsome are singing Trump's praises for the administration's handling of the crisis, while they look for any and every pundit they can find to criticize it.

[olldflame]

Not sure who is to blame, but not having adequate testing early on was a trillion dollar bungle. I suspect it is a systemic problem going way back where we simply did not see the need to have rapid response capability of that scope in place. South Korea was able to keep their economy rolling along almost normally by testing and isolating, while we are having to shut everything down.

[Jonathan Carone]

Trump absolutely bungled this early by claiming it wasn't a big deal among other bad decisions.

That said, he's doing whatever he can to keep the economy from tanking. We'll see if it works, but he's at least woken up to the idea he has to lead us through this and not ignore it.

[olldflame]

Trump absolutely bungled this early by claiming it wasn't a big deal among other bad decisions.

That said, he's doing whatever he can to keep the economy from tanking. We'll see if it works, but he's at least woken up to the idea he has to lead us through this and not ignore it.

Not saying it's not true, but I don't believe that is why we didn't have the tests. I still believe that in addition to fast tracking a vaccine, the long term solution will involve almost universal testing and isolating. No such thing as an "unnecessary" test. No economy can sustain this level of shutdowns for an extended period of time.

[TH Spangler]

Not sure who is to blame, but not having adequate testing early on was a trillion dollar bungle. I suspect it is a systemic problem going way back where we simply did not see the need to have rapid response capability of that scope in place. South Korea was able to keep their economy rolling along almost normally by testing and isolating, while we are having to shut everything down.

South Korea is geographically close enough to China to see the disaster coming.

[Purple Haize]

Trump absolutely bungled this early by claiming it wasn't a big deal among other bad decisions.

That said, he's doing whatever he can to keep the economy from tanking. We'll see if it works, but he's at least woken up to the idea he has to lead us through this and not ignore it.

He also limited travel from the country in Asia where it’s believed this virus originated which at the time was derided as Xenophobic but now is acknowledged as a great step to preventing the spread of the virus.
There are his words and there are his actions. I’m pleased with most of his actions. If he were to follow what he says then he’d be getting skewered. But he’s taking these actions in an over abundance of caution and they are in line with what everyone else in the World is doing. I’m firmly convinced that we will bounce back faster and stronger than predicted. And given the choice we had in 2016 I’m even more pleased with the outcome of the election

[Jonathan Carone]

It’s hard to deny his words when he said we had this under control, we had nothing to worry about, and that it wasn’t a big deal for multiple weeks before doing anything. Had he taken this seriously from the beginning like our infectious disease professionals told him he should, we could’ve already been most of the way through this.

He absolutely gets credit for many of the things he’s currently doing. But he also gets blame for where he dropped the ball.

[thepostman]

He is doing a good job now overall. He should stop talking so much though because he just puts his foot in his mouth and contradicts himself.

I'm not sure why he can't ever admit he is wrong or was misguided. But that has never been the Trump way.

Overall, we won't know how good or bad his administration handled this thing until we get past it. So I'll wait on that to make my final conclusion.

[olldflame]

Trump absolutely bungled this early by claiming it wasn't a big deal among other bad decisions.

That said, he's doing whatever he can to keep the economy from tanking. We'll see if it works, but he's at least woken up to the idea he has to lead us through this and not ignore it.

He also limited travel from the country in Asia where it’s believed this virus originated which at the time was derided as Xenophobic but now is acknowledged as a great step to preventing the spread of the virus.
There are his words and there are his actions. I’m pleased with most of his actions. If he were to follow what he says then he’d be getting skewered. But he’s taking these actions in an over abundance of caution and they are in line with what everyone else in the World is doing. I’m firmly convinced that we will bounce back faster and stronger than predicted. And given the choice we had in 2016 I’m even more pleased with the outcome of the election

I see what you did there.

[Purple Haize]

Trump absolutely bungled this early by claiming it wasn't a big deal among other bad decisions.

That said, he's doing whatever he can to keep the economy from tanking. We'll see if it works, but he's at least woken up to the idea he has to lead us through this and not ignore it.

He also limited travel from the country in Asia where it’s believed this virus originated which at the time was derided as Xenophobic but now is acknowledged as a great step to preventing the spread of the virus.
There are his words and there are his actions. I’m pleased with most of his actions. If he were to follow what he says then he’d be getting skewered. But he’s taking these actions in an over abundance of caution and they are in line with what everyone else in the World is doing. I’m firmly convinced that we will bounce back faster and stronger than predicted. And given the choice we had in 2016 I’m even more pleased with the outcome of the election

I see what you did there.

I’m trying to be more culturally sensitive Wouldn’t want anyone to take my words and do horrible racist things with them

[Purple Haize]

It’s hard to deny his words when he said we had this under control, we had nothing to worry about, and that it wasn’t a big deal for multiple weeks before doing anything. Had he taken this seriously from the beginning like our infectious disease professionals told him he should, we could’ve already been most of the way through this.

He absolutely gets credit for many of the things he’s currently doing. But he also gets blame for where he dropped the ball.

How lethal this virus actually is/was will be debated for a long time. Comparatively it will be found to not be as lethal as the hysteria stated. But once the mania started you kinda had to do these things.
Again, his actions were pretty solid and compared to other viral outbreaks has been pretty aggressive

[chris leedlelee]

How lethal this virus actually is/was will be debated for a long time. Comparatively it will be found to not be as lethal as the hysteria stated. But once the mania started you kinda had to do these things.
Again, his actions were pretty solid and compared to other viral outbreaks has been pretty aggressive

I think it is safe to say that the response at the beginning was not optimal, but the response now has finally caught up with the gravity of the situation. There is nothing more that he can do now which has not already been done, from an economic and public health perspective. I think he has done a very good job once he realized that the virus is going to be a serious issue for the US.

[Jonathan Carone]

I think it is safe to say that the response at the beginning was not optimal, but the response now has finally caught up with the gravity of the situation. There is nothing more that he can do now which has not already been done, from an economic and public health perspective. I think he has done a very good job once he realized that the virus is going to be a serious issue for the US.

I can agree with this. If we're able to get out of this in a couple weeks and the economy bounces back, it'll be a misstep but he'll be able to get past it. If this thing lasts until July like he said a couple days ago, him not taking the situation serious for 4-6 weeks is going to be what loses him the presidency.

[Purple Haize]

How lethal this virus actually is/was will be debated for a long time. Comparatively it will be found to not be as lethal as the hysteria stated. But once the mania started you kinda had to do these things.
Again, his actions were pretty solid and compared to other viral outbreaks has been pretty aggressive

I think it is safe to say that the response at the beginning was not optimal, but the response now has finally caught up with the gravity of the situation. There is nothing more that he can do now which has not already been done, from an economic and public health perspective. I think he has done a very good job once he realized that the virus is going to be a serious issue for the US.

By way of comparison whose response was optimal? And we are now looking at it in hindsight
Finally m you can’t undervalue his early travel restrictions. That was huge in light of the criticism he received for it

[olldflame]

The disease not only started in China, the unconscionable actions of the Chinese GOVERNMENT (NOT the Chinese PEOPLE) in covering it up for weeks instead of dealing with it, exponentially increased it's spread. So no, I have ZERO PROBLEM calling it:
Chinese virus
Wuhan virus
Woo flu
Kung flu
or (my personal favorite)
Kung pau sicken

Add yours here.

[Purple Haize]

The disease not only started in China, the unconscionable actions of the Chinese GOVERNMENT (NOT the Chinese PEOPLE) in covering it up for weeks instead of dealing with it, exponentially increased it's spread. So no, I have ZERO PROBLEM calling it:
Chinese virus
Wuhan virus
Woo flu
Kung flu
or (my personal favorite)
Kung pau sicken

Add yours here.

[thepostman]

Ok then. I'm not sure how that sticks it to the chinese government but you do you.

The Chinese government has done an absolutely terrible job handling this thing and when all is said or done they should be held accountable in some way by the international community.

All of this is pointless at this point because we need to focus on ourselves and ensuring we do all we can to recover quickly. All of this other stuff can be handled once we are on the other side of this.

[Jonathan Carone]

The information coming out about chloroquine is really interesting and makes me optimistic we might be out of this sooner rather than later.