[Hold My Own]

I read the title and thought Jdub and Bryson were suing for them shutting down for so long on Wards....

[flamesfilmguy]

Being a taco bell enthusiast I'll admit to Never eating the beef. I've always been a chicken guy. Chicken quesadilla and grilled chicken taquitos is where its at.

[BJWilliams]

I always get the steak Grilled Stuft Burrito when I go

[Green Monkey]

I think we could save some money by eliminating the USDA, the FDA, The PTA... They should be able to use whatever they want to use - if we eat it - it's our choice and their business. If they are intentionally getting people sick - then file criminal charges against them. We eat a lot of crap - I know a hotdog isn't all pig, but hey i love myself some hotdogs. Taco Bell is consistant - you know what your getting, it's cheap, and most of the time it's pretty good - can't make that statement about some of the really nice restaurants in this town.

Um...just, no. I like not having to worry about if the things I buy in the grocery store are appropriately labeled--some people do have food allergies!--and whether they're going to kill me.

[prototype]

I think we could save some money by eliminating the USDA, the FDA, The PTA... They should be able to use whatever they want to use - if we eat it - it's our choice and their business. If they are intentionally getting people sick - then file criminal charges against them. We eat a lot of crap - I know a hotdog isn't all pig, but hey i love myself some hotdogs. Taco Bell is consistent - you know what your getting, it's cheap, and most of the time it's pretty good - can't make that statement about some of the really nice restaurants in this town.

Um...just, no. I like not having to worry about if the things I buy in the grocery store are appropriately labeled--some people do have food allergies!--and whether they're going to kill me.

You've obviously never had to work with the FDA? We shouldn't have to have an overseeing paper pusher enforcing the rules - the stores themselves should...

[From the class of 09]

I think we could save some money by eliminating the USDA, the FDA, The PTA... They should be able to use whatever they want to use - if we eat it - it's our choice and their business. If they are intentionally getting people sick - then file criminal charges against them. We eat a lot of crap - I know a hotdog isn't all pig, but hey i love myself some hotdogs. Taco Bell is consistent - you know what your getting, it's cheap, and most of the time it's pretty good - can't make that statement about some of the really nice restaurants in this town.

Um...just, no. I like not having to worry about if the things I buy in the grocery store are appropriately labeled--some people do have food allergies!--and whether they're going to kill me.

You've obviously never had to work with the FDA? We shouldn't have to have an overseeing paper pusher enforcing the rules - the stores themselves should...

Right...like they did oh say a hundred year ago. Worked well then I'm not saying the system shouldn't be changed but to say the company's can watch over themselves when they've proven in the past they can't is not going to improve anything for the consumer (who is all I really care about).

[prototype]

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be rules or ways to enforce them, but these are great examples of Government run organizations that don't work... They are like the IRS - they really don't monitor and test food for safety, they look for ways to make money and keep their jobs relevant, by making the process almost impossible to abide by... If a product is made by an FDA certified plant, with FDA certified products that are deemed safe - and you stick to simple guidelines of informing customers of what is in the products - then that should be it. To get a product ready for sale takes over a year and over $25K... Even if you just change the packaging. It's bad for the economy and one of the reason you don't see as many American Made products anymore.

[prototype]

http://consumerist.com/2011/01/taco-bel ... ge-ad.html

[Hold My Own]

More Government means better Government....get on the Obama train Proto! ALL ABOARD!!!!!

[jbock13]

More Government means better Government....get on the Obama train Proto! ALL ABOARD!!!!!

Isn't amazing all the time Obama says "D.C is broken". And then says all we need to fix it is more D.C...

[jbock13]

I think we could save some money by eliminating the USDA, the FDA, The PTA... They should be able to use whatever they want to use - if we eat it - it's our choice and their business. If they are intentionally getting people sick - then file criminal charges against them. We eat a lot of crap - I know a hotdog isn't all pig, but hey i love myself some hotdogs. Taco Bell is consistant - you know what your getting, it's cheap, and most of the time it's pretty good - can't make that statement about some of the really nice restaurants in this town.

Um...just, no. I like not having to worry about if the things I buy in the grocery store are appropriately labeled--some people do have food allergies!--and whether they're going to kill me.

Yeah, uhm let's say you have peanut allergies and you eat a bag of M&M peanut candy (before Michelle Obama bans them, but that's another story). It was kinda obvious there here peanuts in there.... I'd say 95% of all foods list ingrediants that may give people who have allergies sick. It's mostly common sense.

[ALUmnus]

I think we could save some money by eliminating the USDA, the FDA, The PTA... They should be able to use whatever they want to use - if we eat it - it's our choice and their business. If they are intentionally getting people sick - then file criminal charges against them. We eat a lot of crap - I know a hotdog isn't all pig, but hey i love myself some hotdogs. Taco Bell is consistant - you know what your getting, it's cheap, and most of the time it's pretty good - can't make that statement about some of the really nice restaurants in this town.

Um...just, no. I like not having to worry about if the things I buy in the grocery store are appropriately labeled--some people do have food allergies!--and whether they're going to kill me.

Yeah, uhm let's say you have peanut allergies and you eat a bag of M&M peanut candy (before Michelle Obama bans them, but that's another story). It was kinda obvious there here peanuts in there.... I'd say 95% of all foods list ingrediants that may give people who have allergies sick. It's mostly common sense.

That's not really true. First, the reason they list the ingredients is because they have to. Second, many foods that don't have any peanuts, etc, in them are processed in the same facility as foods that do have those ingredients. They are now required to state that on their labeling. Common sense doesn't give you omniscience.

[El Scorcho]

. I'd say 95% of all foods list ingrediants that may give people who have allergies sick.

ha. And companies list those ingredients out of the goodness of their hearts, a responsibility to their customers and because "it's just common sense". Right. You're funny.

[Hold My Own]

I think we could save some money by eliminating the USDA, the FDA, The PTA... They should be able to use whatever they want to use - if we eat it - it's our choice and their business. If they are intentionally getting people sick - then file criminal charges against them. We eat a lot of crap - I know a hotdog isn't all pig, but hey i love myself some hotdogs. Taco Bell is consistant - you know what your getting, it's cheap, and most of the time it's pretty good - can't make that statement about some of the really nice restaurants in this town.

Um...just, no. I like not having to worry about if the things I buy in the grocery store are appropriately labeled--some people do have food allergies!--and whether they're going to kill me.

Yeah, uhm let's say you have peanut allergies and you eat a bag of M&M peanut candy (before Michelle Obama bans them, but that's another story). It was kinda obvious there here peanuts in there.... I'd say 95% of all foods list ingrediants that may give people who have allergies sick. It's mostly common sense.

Your allergic reaction might be because of someone in you're own zip code too....true story

[jbock13]

. I'd say 95% of all foods list ingrediants that may give people who have allergies sick.

ha. And companies list those ingredients out of the goodness of their hearts, a responsibility to their customers and because "it's just common sense". Right. You're funny.

Because they don't want lawsuits...???

[El Scorcho]

. I'd say 95% of all foods list ingrediants that may give people who have allergies sick.

ha. And companies list those ingredients out of the goodness of their hearts, a responsibility to their customers and because "it's just common sense". Right. You're funny.

Because they don't want lawsuits...???

If it wasn't their responsibility to list the ingredients you couldn't sue them. The burden would be on you to know what's inside before you ate it.

[jbock13]

If it wasn't their responsibility to list the ingredients you couldn't sue them. The burden would be on you to know what's inside before you ate it.

My point is that a company would (using a simplistic answer here) say "they, this contains peanuts, or was made in a place that had peanuts" so that way they wouldn't be sued if someone with a peanut allergy ate them (whether intentionally or unintentually). Even if there were no federal regulation, a company would be stupid to not put this on their products to protect them from lawsuits. The free market would root out a company who failed to do so, by the consumer not purchasing a product that harms them.

[olldflame]

If it wasn't their responsibility to list the ingredients you couldn't sue them. The burden would be on you to know what's inside before you ate it.

I know this is what a lot of people would like to believe, but it's just not true. You don't have to break any laws or regulations to be sued........................ and lose. If a judge or jury believes that a reasonable manufacturer should have disclosed potentially harmful ingrediants in their product, and they don't do it, they are likely to be found liable if someone suffers damages.

It is true that when there are fewer regs, businesses do not face as many fines or other penalties for breaking them, but that is a totally seperate issue from civil liability.

[From the class of 09]

Seriously I can't believe this a conversation. Look at how meat packing plants were run before all these government oversights were in place. Yes the FDA and USDA should be changed to be more efficient but getting rid of them would just set us back 100 years to repeat past mistakes.

[jbock13]

Seriously I can't believe this a conversation. Look at how meat packing plants were run before all these government oversights were in place. Yes the FDA and USDA should be changed to be more efficient but getting rid of them would just set us back 100 years to repeat past mistakes.

You're entitled to that opinion, but might I remind you this isn't the 1920's anymore...

[El Scorcho]

If it wasn't their responsibility to list the ingredients you couldn't sue them. The burden would be on you to know what's inside before you ate it.

I know this is what a lot of people would like to believe, but it's just not true. You don't have to break any laws or regulations to be sued........................ and lose. If a judge or jury believes that a reasonable manufacturer should have disclosed potentially harmful ingrediants in their product, and they don't do it, they are likely to be found liable if someone suffers damages.

It is true that when there are fewer regs, businesses do not face as many fines or other penalties for breaking them, but that is a totally seperate issue from civil liability.

Fair enough. There is a difference between civil and criminal liability. I would still argue, however, that most businesses are not nearly as concerned with civil liability as they are criminal liability and regulatory compliance.

[El Scorcho]

Seriously I can't believe this a conversation. Look at how meat packing plants were run before all these government oversights were in place. Yes the FDA and USDA should be changed to be more efficient but getting rid of them would just set us back 100 years to repeat past mistakes.

You're entitled to that opinion, but might I remind you this isn't the 1920's anymore...

You're right. It's not the 1920's anymore. Now we only have a few meat processing facilities serving the entire country. So now when they screw up, we end up recalling beef for a quarter of the nation instead of just a local neighborhood.

And yet, they still push tainted beef out every other year or so. Amazing.

[From the class of 09]

Seriously I can't believe this a conversation. Look at how meat packing plants were run before all these government oversights were in place. Yes the FDA and USDA should be changed to be more efficient but getting rid of them would just set us back 100 years to repeat past mistakes.

You're entitled to that opinion, but might I remind you this isn't the 1920's anymore...

What does the date have to do with it? I have no doubt that if there wasn't oversight people would cut corners to make an extra buck. Some things change human greed doesn't.

[jbock13]

Seriously I can't believe this a conversation. Look at how meat packing plants were run before all these government oversights were in place. Yes the FDA and USDA should be changed to be more efficient but getting rid of them would just set us back 100 years to repeat past mistakes.

You're entitled to that opinion, but might I remind you this isn't the 1920's anymore...

What does the date have to do with it? I have no doubt that if there wasn't oversight people would cut corners to make an extra buck. Some things change human greed doesn't.

In the 1920's you had numerous monopolies. So thus, huge corporations would do things to make an extra buck, such as not processing meat correctly, letting mice jump around in the kitchen, these were the things that brought on the creation of the FDA. Today, there is much more of a competitive market. If let's say, a company who is found to not take care of food properly (by an employee or some consumer watchdog group), and the accusation is true, the free market responds by people not buying that specific product, thus, the company would have to correct the problem or close its doors.

[TDDance234]

Allergies are all in your mind. Tom Cruise says you're weak.