[Baldspot]

I think Palin's got a great political future and her current credentials in my opinion are superior to those of the community organizer on the other ticket. As time goes on, she will only strengthen them, my guess in the Senate. Obama and Biden have both had to overcome some monumental gaffes and bad associations of there own and have survived just fine - remember Jeremiah Wright, bitter people, Indians in my state work at 7/11 and I could go on. Americans have short memories when it comes to politics.

In the past week Brian Williams from NBC, Hillary and Bill have individually complemented her ability to connect with the electorate and her effectiveness on the trail. Williams specifically compared her ability to communicate to Reagan's skill level.

In an election we were never going to win, conservatives at least got one of their own some valuable playing time. Now let's beat Coastal.

[belcherboy]

You guys act like this girl has completely bombed...she's had her moments but she's done VERY well over all....and her numbers have proved that....she's not done yet

I base my opinion on precedent. What VP or VP nomination has become President or VP after losing a national election? The answer as far as I can see is none over the past century.

[SumItUp]

Belcherboy......take a deep breath......it's going to be OK. Now is not the time to despair.

[belcherboy]

Belcherboy......take a deep breath......it's going to be OK. Now is not the time to despair.

You can be optimistic for the both of us then. I haven't felt this way since Bob Dole was running in '96!

I truly do hope I'm wrong!!! And will be glad to see a McCain presidency as opposed to an Obama one!

I'm curious, what are you seeing that tells you that McCain will win this thing? I really need something!

[Hold My Own]

It really is like we're witnessing a panic attack! I love it!



I know what your saying about the VP becoming a P thing but this is a special situation on many counts.

[belcherboy]

It really is like we're witnessing a panic attack! I love it!



I know what your saying about the VP becoming a P thing but this is a special situation on many counts.

I'm not sure she can overcome that damage to her. She is being labeled as an idiot, and a general election loss will take her out of the public's eye. That keeps her from being able to prove it otherwise.

Again, what keeps you guys so optimistic? I mean what gives you the sense that McCain will win this thing? Is it a gut feeling, or is it something else?

[Hold My Own]

I'm discouraged but I keep in mind the 04 election and that gives me more hope.



As far as Palin goes...we want her to fade to black for a while and gain some much needed experience, then when she returns she's going to have a even better resume. Keep in mind the people who are portraying her as an idiot is the liberal media...those with an unbiased point of view are still very impressed by her

[Baldspot]

Those painting Palin as an idiot also laughed at Reagan's intelligence level as well. Same script different decade.

P.S. Reagan ignored the national press and won 49 states. He also lost the first time he ran for President but established a national political base in the losing effort.

[Realist]

I have to disagree on just the left painting her as ignorant. I was very unimpressed as she just spouted off memorized stuff the entire time and stumbled over words multiple times. She comes across as extremely ignorant to me. I'm probably still voting for McCain but God help us if he does pass away. My father is as independent as they come but after that speech thinks he is going with Obama. She is a disaster for the Republicans as she comes across as a female George Bush, folksy and not intelligent.

[Fumblerooskies]

I have to disagree on just the left painting her as ignorant. I was very unimpressed as she just spouted off memorized stuff the entire time and stumbled over words multiple times. She comes across as extremely ignorant to me. I'm probably still voting for McCain but God help us if he does pass away. My father is as independent as they come but after that speech thinks he is going with Obama. She is a disaster for the Republicans as she comes across as a female George Bush, folksy and not intelligent.

You summed it up quite nicely...
...and to think I got roundly criticized on here for saying what a lousy choice she was for McCain.

[Baldspot]

I have to disagree on just the left painting her as ignorant. I was very unimpressed as she just spouted off memorized stuff the entire time and stumbled over words multiple times. She comes across as extremely ignorant to me. I'm probably still voting for McCain but God help us if he does pass away. My father is as independent as they come but after that speech thinks he is going with Obama. She is a disaster for the Republicans as she comes across as a female George Bush, folksy and not intelligent.

Just curious, what did she say in the debate that was "ignorant"and which pundit on the right is painting her as "ignorant."

Keeping in mind her effort was widely praised by the main stream pundits and leading Democrats>

[Baldspot]

"It's amazing, you know, she's been thrust into the national spotlight with very little preparation and I think that, all things considered, you saw a very composed and effective debater last night."

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/188053.html

[Baldspot]

Bill Clinton said Monday he understands why Sarah Palin is popular in the heartland: because people relate to her.

"I come from Arkansas, I get why she's hot out there," Clinton said. "Why she's doing well."

Speaking to reporters before his Clinton Global Initiative meeting, the former president described Palin's appeal by adding, "People look at her, and they say, 'All those kids. Something that happens in everybody's family. I'm glad she loves her daughter and she's not ashamed of her. Glad that girl's going around with her boyfriend. Glad they're going to get married.'"

Clinton said voters would think, "I like that little Down syndrome kid. One of them lives down the street. They're wonderful children. They're wonderful people. And I like the idea that this guy does those long-distance races. Stayed in the race for 500 miles with a broken arm. My kind of guy."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/p ... palin.html

Sorry, little bored tonight so I'll stop.

[Realist]

I don't pay attention to nor really care what the media says really. Of course Hillary is going to be nice, as well as anyone else, that's just how you have to respond. I don't think your personal opinion is going to be changed and mine definitely isn't. I can't back a woman who stammers over her words and whose best communication tool is winking at the camera. I'm sure she has her supporters among those that speak on those levels as well, but I at least hope that the majority of America thinks on a higher level than she seems capable of. I lean right but consider myself an independent, but I have mostly hardcore republicans in the family, in-laws family, and friends---they all pretty much have the same opinion.

[belcherboy]

I don't see much of a difference between Palin, and teleprompter Obama. He stammers as much or more than Palin and is the presidential nominee. From what I heard he is as coached as any candidate can be. I too don't think she did a GREAT job on Thursday, but she did say several good things. I just felt like she didn't have the experience to really slam Biden when there was a chance.

IMO it is easy to defeat liberals like Biden and Obama, but you must have a quick thinker. Palin just isn't that. I feel that Romney would have been the best selection for that (especially in matters of the economy), but Romney's Mormon heritage alienates him from too many voters.

I really do wish it were Romney/Palin on the ticket, but that is a waste of time thinking about at this point.

To those "glass half full" McCain supporters, besides comparing it to the presidential race of '04 (which is a valid comparison), what things give you a good feeling about his chances next month in the general election? IMO, everything from the bailout, to the stock market crash, to the fact that he is old, is just too much for him to overcome. If he didn't have this stupid mortgage crisis, I would feel better about his chances. This bailout makes me think he is not real different than Obama. They both just voted us closer to a socialist type system enjoyed by Europe. When the health insurance industry begins to crumble, why wouldn't the government step in and fix that as well? The Dems will begin to ask, "if we are willing to help Wall Street, how can we not help the poor, the elderly, the children with health care?"

I need to take the advice that was given on here and just quit thinking about it!

[Baldspot]

I don't pay attention to nor really care what the media says really. Of course Hillary is going to be nice, as well as anyone else, that's just how you have to respond. I don't think your personal opinion is going to be changed and mine definitely isn't. I can't back a woman who stammers over her words and whose best communication tool is winking at the camera. I'm sure she has her supporters among those that speak on those levels as well, but I at least hope that the majority of America thinks on a higher level than she seems capable of. I lean right but consider myself an independent, but I have mostly hardcore republicans in the family, in-laws family, and friends---they all pretty much have the same opinion.

Perhaps we'll just leave it with you can't come up with anything she said at the debate that could be considered "ignorant" and don't really care about what the experts say. I'm okay with that.

[Realist]

I don't pay attention to nor really care what the media says really. Of course Hillary is going to be nice, as well as anyone else, that's just how you have to respond. I don't think your personal opinion is going to be changed and mine definitely isn't. I can't back a woman who stammers over her words and whose best communication tool is winking at the camera. I'm sure she has her supporters among those that speak on those levels as well, but I at least hope that the majority of America thinks on a higher level than she seems capable of. I lean right but consider myself an independent, but I have mostly hardcore republicans in the family, in-laws family, and friends---they all pretty much have the same opinion.

Perhaps we'll just leave it with you can't site anything she said at the debate that could be considered "ignorant" and don't really care about what the experts say.

I don't understand why you are taking this so personally? I don't care what the "experts" say because I can make up my mind for myself and just about every "expert" has an agenda anyway. I didn't CITE anything at the debate b/c she never really said anything other than the party line and saying stupid things like Joe 6 pack and maverick a bunch of times, repeatedly having trouble with stuttering and even struggling to pronounce words to big for her as it seemed.

I think she is/has losing/lost this election for McCain and that is disappointing b/c I'm definitely no BarryO fan and I think McCain is an honorable man who I can live with voting for.

[Ed Dantes]

I don't pay attention to nor really care what the media says really. Of course Hillary is going to be nice, as well as anyone else, that's just how you have to respond. I don't think your personal opinion is going to be changed and mine definitely isn't. I can't back a woman who stammers over her words and whose best communication tool is winking at the camera. I'm sure she has her supporters among those that speak on those levels as well, but I at least hope that the majority of America thinks on a higher level than she seems capable of. I lean right but consider myself an independent, but I have mostly hardcore republicans in the family, in-laws family, and friends---they all pretty much have the same opinion.

Perhaps we'll just leave it with you can't site anything she said at the debate that could be considered "ignorant" and don't really care about what the experts say.

I don't understand why you are taking this so personally? I don't care what the "experts" say because I can make up my mind for myself and just about every "expert" has an agenda anyway. I didn't CITE anything at the debate b/c she never really said anything other than the party line and saying stupid things like Joe 6 pack and maverick a bunch of times, repeatedly having trouble with stuttering and even struggling to pronounce words to big for her as it seemed.

I think she is/has losing/lost this election for McCain and that is disappointing b/c I'm definitely no BarryO fan and I think McCain is an honorable man who I can live with voting for.

I don't think you can say that Palin has lost the election for McCain; he wasn't exactly winning the election before she came on the ticket.

[Baldspot]

I don't pay attention to nor really care what the media says really. Of course Hillary is going to be nice, as well as anyone else, that's just how you have to respond. I don't think your personal opinion is going to be changed and mine definitely isn't. I can't back a woman who stammers over her words and whose best communication tool is winking at the camera. I'm sure she has her supporters among those that speak on those levels as well, but I at least hope that the majority of America thinks on a higher level than she seems capable of. I lean right but consider myself an independent, but I have mostly hardcore republicans in the family, in-laws family, and friends---they all pretty much have the same opinion.

Perhaps we'll just leave it with you can't site anything she said at the debate that could be considered "ignorant" and don't really care about what the experts say.

I don't understand why you are taking this so personally? I don't care what the "experts" say because I can make up my mind for myself and just about every "expert" has an agenda anyway. I didn't CITE anything at the debate...

I just thought it was interesting you used to word "ignorant" to describe another human being instead of saying perhaps you "disagree" or "there may have been better options, etc, etc." I merely gave you a chance, to well, not appear to be so....

[Realist]

Perhaps we'll just leave it with you can't site anything she said at the debate that could be considered "ignorant" and don't really care about what the experts say.

I don't understand why you are taking this so personally? I don't care what the "experts" say because I can make up my mind for myself and just about every "expert" has an agenda anyway. I didn't CITE anything at the debate...

I just thought it was interesting you used to word "ignorant" to describe another human being instead of saying perhaps you "disagree" or "there may have been better options, etc, etc." I merely gave you a chance, to well, not appear to be so....

So now this is a politically correct board? Of all places I think this would be the one where people avoided that recent phenomenon. She appears pretty ignorant to me, and I'll call it like I see it. And from those I talk with that don't seem to be hard line one way or the other, and even those firm Repub., they seem to agree.

[Realist]

Perhaps we'll just leave it with you can't site anything she said at the debate that could be considered "ignorant" and don't really care about what the experts say.

I don't understand why you are taking this so personally? I don't care what the "experts" say because I can make up my mind for myself and just about every "expert" has an agenda anyway. I didn't CITE anything at the debate b/c she never really said anything other than the party line and saying stupid things like Joe 6 pack and maverick a bunch of times, repeatedly having trouble with stuttering and even struggling to pronounce words to big for her as it seemed.

I think she is/has losing/lost this election for McCain and that is disappointing b/c I'm definitely no BarryO fan and I think McCain is an honorable man who I can live with voting for.

I don't think you can say that Palin has lost the election for McCain; he wasn't exactly winning the election before she came on the ticket.

Well of course you can't blame just one person or thing, but it seemed like he had a fighting shot at it, and I don't think she's helped the cause. Obviously the recent tanking has a lot to with people blaming the economy/bailout as well.


Whoever said Romney should have been the VP candidate I think is head on.

[Baldspot]

I don't think you can say that Palin has lost the election for McCain; he wasn't exactly winning the election before she came on the ticket.

I agree totally, she's outdrawing Obama on the campaign trail and has been a real boon in campaign donations. 70 million people just tuned in on Thursday night and it wasn't to see Biden. Those are astronomically high numbers for a VP debate.

Up until McCain made the mistake of saying our economy was in great shape a week or two ago, the Republicans had pulled even with Obama in the female polling numbers. That's totally unheard of in recent politics.

Voter fatigue comes into play every 8 - 12 years, the war and the economy have especially taken there toll and people want change, any change, and that's a hard argument for the Republicans to overcome right now, especially when McCain is 72 years old.

[Baldspot]

So now this is a politically correct board? Of all places I think this would be the one where people avoided that recent phenomenon. She appears pretty ignorant to me, and I'll call it like I see it. And from those I talk with that don't seem to be hard line one way or the other, and even those firm Repub., they seem to agree.

Its tough when you call someone else ignorant, then can't substantiate your thoughts when asked, I know, I've been there.

You get no sympathy,however, by coming onto a board loosely associated with LU, talking about an Evangelical Christian, pro life governor who happens to be running for VP in terms of being "ignorant." Especially when you were not able to give a single quote from the debate to substantiate your claim.

[Realist]

So now this is a politically correct board? Of all places I think this would be the one where people avoided that recent phenomenon. She appears pretty ignorant to me, and I'll call it like I see it. And from those I talk with that don't seem to be hard line one way or the other, and even those firm Repub., they seem to agree.

Its tough when you call someone else ignorant, then can't substantiate your thoughts when asked, I know, I've been there.

You get no sympathy,however, by coming onto a board loosely associated with LU, talking about an Evangelical Christian, pro life governor who happens to be running for VP in terms of being "ignorant." Especially when you were not able to give a single quote from the debate to substantiate your claim.

I didn't come on here to attack, just to offer a personal opinion and share the ones I've heard around me. I have no reason to root against Palin. For the sake of the country I hope McCain is elected, but for the sake of the country I hope he doesn't pass away in the office either. I've also substantiated my claims, you just don't seem to want to listen to anything other than a media outlet or rather to anyone who disagrees with you, which to me, shows that you are incapable of thinking for yourself. Do a little thinking/observing on your own rather than reading the reaction of a person paid by an organization or someone who has an agenda. I was just offering the opinion of those that are mostly in the middle or Republican and aren't getting paid to offer an opinion. There are plenty of those that are Republican or will most likely vote that way out there, and many of them are embarrassed she is on the ticket. The woman simply hasn't shown she is capable of speaking or putting together coherent thoughts on issues in an intelligent manner. That doesn't make her a bad person, it just makes her someone I wouldn't vote for in a stand alone situation.

[4everfsu]

You better hope and pray Obama doesn't drop dead of a heart attack if he is elected. You will have Biden and Polosi as president and VP. Now speak of dumb, there are cases where Biden has put his foot in his mouth time and time again. Young men in their 40s have collapsed and died.