[Curtisc83]

There is no shortage of LU representation on AGS, CS & CSNbbs during football season.

I have been watching those forums all last season up to present and LU is not represented in force like other schools do. I know you and a few others post all over but you're the minority.

[Purple Haize]

Mr Reber needs to learn to look both ways that way he could have avoided the bus he just got thrown under.
The Godwin stuff is just CYA

[Curtisc83]

your defense wasn't a real defense because Liberty's defense wasn't a real defense so therefore quoting the weak response it made Liberty look even worse. Good job.

I'm using the info I have handy. If I had indepth knowledge of the situation I would use that info, but I don't. You are more than welcome to jump in on the big boy forum and defend LU how you see fit. Till then I'm doing what I can.

How is that the 'big boy' forum? If you want to know about LU, THIS is the place. If you think that place is better, start a Liberty section over there
Plus, I'm not sure how this is defensible. Pleading ignorance is a tough position. If Godwin is let go, which he won't be, it would make the defense better. But the only thing that MAY happen would be for him to 'retire' at the end of the year. Maybe there's a position for him at Richmond.......

If you want to know about LU threw a Christian/Alum lens were most people agree you come to flamefans. If you want to go to a place to see how everyone else views it and sometimes it's a poor opinion you go to all the other forums. All SBC Fans and sometimes other FBS/FCS fans from other teams post on that one board. In my eyes that takes it up a huge notch. That's why it's the big boy forum.

I'm just saying more LU fans should get on the other forums and represent. You know we did have a section in CSNbbs before but it went inactive last year. I was the last person to post on it...LOL. That could easily be active with enough interest.

[Purple Haize]

Since we are not in the Sun Belt what difference does it make? We might as well post on the B1G Conference board

[Curtisc83]

Mr Reber needs to learn to look both ways that way he could have avoided the bus he just got thrown under.
The Godwin stuff is just CYA

Someone should be punished and Mr. Reber is a primary candidate. I'm not so sure about Godwin. Moving forward LU should just do away with the unaccredited home study thing. Just too many issues or potential issues for it to be worth it.

[Curtisc83]

Since we are not in the Sun Belt what difference does it make? We might as well post on the B1G Conference board

Because we want a SBC invite not a B1G invite.

[Purple Haize]

Mr Reber needs to learn to look both ways that way he could have avoided the bus he just got thrown under.
The Godwin stuff is just CYA

Someone should be punished and Mr. Reber is a primary candidate. I'm not so sure about Godwin. Moving forward LU should just do away with the unaccredited home study thing. Just too many issues or potential issues for it to be worth it.

The University basically gave LHBI to Reber, so I really don't have a problem with what he did. But having Godwin there, who is pretty high up the food chain appear with him gives credence to the perception it IS backed by LU. Saying 'He didn't know' or 'Misspoke' is just CYA and If I was really cynical I'd ask how much he is/was being paid by Reber

[Curtisc83]

Mr Reber needs to learn to look both ways that way he could have avoided the bus he just got thrown under.
The Godwin stuff is just CYA

Someone should be punished and Mr. Reber is a primary candidate. I'm not so sure about Godwin. Moving forward LU should just do away with the unaccredited home study thing. Just too many issues or potential issues for it to be worth it.

The University basically gave LHBI to Reber, so I really don't have a problem with what he did. But having Godwin there, who is pretty high up the food chain appear with him gives credence to the perception it IS backed by LU. Saying 'He didn't know' or 'Misspoke' is just CYA and If I was really cynical I'd ask how much he is/was being paid by Reber

I have a issue with all parties involved. This could of devalued my degree from LU. I'm not saying it did but everything that LU does effects our credentials. Just like if we moved up the U.S. News ranking or became a National Rank Uni instead of a Regional. It's all connected, our degrees aren't a snapshot in time.

[Purple Haize]

That's something to consider. As I recently told someone, It doesn't help Liberty's academic reputation when you Academic Dean is appearing on any show to endorse a non accredited certificate program.

[birchbark]

I'm new to the conversation, but a partnership between Liberty and Benny Hinn is ridiculous! If Godwin is in on it, then he must be doing his own thing. There is no way!

Has anyone read the updated Official Statement from Liberty?

http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?P ... MID=116272

From the offical statement in regard to Godwin's being involved:

"It is true that a senior administrator of Liberty University appeared on a Benny Hinn program where a certificate program was promoted, but no other Liberty officials had prior notice of the planned broadcast. The administrator appeared after he was MISINFORMED regarding the extent of Mr. Reber's contract rights. Again, Liberty University is not involved in any cooperative venture with Benny Hinn."

[LUconn]

This could of devalued my degree from LU.

Oh the ironing.

[veritas55]

I'm new to the conversation, but a partnership between Liberty and Benny Hinn is ridiculous! If Godwin is in on it, then he must be doing his own thing. There is no way!

Has anyone read the updated Official Statement from Liberty?

http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?P ... MID=116272

From the offical statement in regard to Godwin's being involved:

"It is true that a senior administrator of Liberty University appeared on a Benny Hinn program where a certificate program was promoted, but no other Liberty officials had prior notice of the planned broadcast. The administrator appeared after he was MISINFORMED regarding the extent of Mr. Reber's contract rights. Again, Liberty University is not involved in any cooperative venture with Benny Hinn."

Good point. It seems likely that "misinformed" is the polite way of saying "he spoke without our permission and without getting legal clearance". Liberty has responded quickly to this before it became a large scandal (it was only on a few blogs), which suggests to me that Liberty was a bit blindsided by the announcement and wanted to squash it as soon as they found out about it. Honestly, it looks like it may have been just Godwin's mistake.

[Purple Haize]

I'm new to the conversation, but a partnership between Liberty and Benny Hinn is ridiculous! If Godwin is in on it, then he must be doing his own thing. There is no way!

Has anyone read the updated Official Statement from Liberty?

http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?P ... MID=116272

From the offical statement in regard to Godwin's being involved:

"It is true that a senior administrator of Liberty University appeared on a Benny Hinn program where a certificate program was promoted, but no other Liberty officials had prior notice of the planned broadcast. The administrator appeared after he was MISINFORMED regarding the extent of Mr. Reber's contract rights. Again, Liberty University is not involved in any cooperative venture with Benny Hinn."

Good point. It seems likely that "misinformed" is the polite way of saying "he spoke without our permission and without getting legal clearance". Liberty has responded quickly to this before it became a large scandal (it was only on a few blogs), which suggests to me that Liberty was a bit blindsided by the announcement and wanted to squash it as soon as they found out about it. Honestly, it looks like it may have been just Godwin's mistake.

Which is a polite way of saying he did what he wanted to do regardless of any consequences.

[BJWilliams]

Don't tell that to PH...I think the only acceptable solution in his book is Godwin gets fired otherwise he leads the charge to torch the school (with postie and flamerbob joining him on the frontline)

[jcmanson]

I'm new to the conversation, but a partnership between Liberty and Benny Hinn is ridiculous! If Godwin is in on it, then he must be doing his own thing. There is no way!

Has anyone read the updated Official Statement from Liberty?

http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?P ... MID=116272

From the offical statement in regard to Godwin's being involved:

"It is true that a senior administrator of Liberty University appeared on a Benny Hinn program where a certificate program was promoted, but no other Liberty officials had prior notice of the planned broadcast. The administrator appeared after he was MISINFORMED regarding the extent of Mr. Reber's contract rights. Again, Liberty University is not involved in any cooperative venture with Benny Hinn."

Good point. It seems likely that "misinformed" is the polite way of saying "he spoke without our permission and without getting legal clearance". Liberty has responded quickly to this before it became a large scandal (it was only on a few blogs), which suggests to me that Liberty was a bit blindsided by the announcement and wanted to squash it as soon as they found out about it. Honestly, it looks like it may have been just Godwin's mistake.

Welcome to the board!

[thepostman]

Don't tell that to PH...I think the only acceptable solution in his book is Godwin gets fired otherwise he leads the charge to torch the school (with postie and flamerbob joining him on the frontline)

He should get fired

[veritas55]

That's something to consider. As I recently told someone, It doesn't help Liberty's academic reputation when you Academic Dean is appearing on any show to endorse a non accredited certificate program.

Very true. However, Liberty's response was pretty quick after the video was posted. It doesn't look like Liberty waited until it became a story to respond, which is an important part of the story. Had this response come a week from now after christian news services (or even mainstream news) picked up on it, then I think it would look disingenuous. But Liberty seems to want to squash this immediately, which to me says that it was a mistake by Godwin.

[birchbark]

I agree, Godwin had to be acting independent of the University, and he pretty much indicates this in HIS official statement. If he had been involved with the permission of LU, he would have known Reber's contractual rights. For him to plead ignorance says he was on his own.

http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?P ... MID=116272

The point is, Liberty University is not involved. This will blow over.

[veritas55]

I'm new to the conversation, but a partnership between Liberty and Benny Hinn is ridiculous! If Godwin is in on it, then he must be doing his own thing. There is no way!

Has anyone read the updated Official Statement from Liberty?

http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?P ... MID=116272

From the offical statement in regard to Godwin's being involved:

"It is true that a senior administrator of Liberty University appeared on a Benny Hinn program where a certificate program was promoted, but no other Liberty officials had prior notice of the planned broadcast. The administrator appeared after he was MISINFORMED regarding the extent of Mr. Reber's contract rights. Again, Liberty University is not involved in any cooperative venture with Benny Hinn."

Good point. It seems likely that "misinformed" is the polite way of saying "he spoke without our permission and without getting legal clearance". Liberty has responded quickly to this before it became a large scandal (it was only on a few blogs), which suggests to me that Liberty was a bit blindsided by the announcement and wanted to squash it as soon as they found out about it. Honestly, it looks like it may have been just Godwin's mistake.

Welcome to the board!

Thanks! Good to be here.

[veritas55]

I'm new to the conversation, but a partnership between Liberty and Benny Hinn is ridiculous! If Godwin is in on it, then he must be doing his own thing. There is no way!

Has anyone read the updated Official Statement from Liberty?

http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?P ... MID=116272

From the offical statement in regard to Godwin's being involved:

"It is true that a senior administrator of Liberty University appeared on a Benny Hinn program where a certificate program was promoted, but no other Liberty officials had prior notice of the planned broadcast. The administrator appeared after he was MISINFORMED regarding the extent of Mr. Reber's contract rights. Again, Liberty University is not involved in any cooperative venture with Benny Hinn."

Good point. It seems likely that "misinformed" is the polite way of saying "he spoke without our permission and without getting legal clearance". Liberty has responded quickly to this before it became a large scandal (it was only on a few blogs), which suggests to me that Liberty was a bit blindsided by the announcement and wanted to squash it as soon as they found out about it. Honestly, it looks like it may have been just Godwin's mistake.

Which is a polite way of saying he did what he wanted to do regardless of any consequences.

Yup. Or was careless. Or was negligent.

[rogers3]

Don't tell that to PH...I think the only acceptable solution in his book is Godwin gets fired otherwise he leads the charge to torch the school (with postie and flamerbob joining him on the frontline)

BJ... There are few who are in your corner on this issue. I'd imagine that even your aforementioned good friend has looked at ways to get Godwin out of the school. He is an unpopular figure among people who have been around for a while, as well as many of the faculty. Why do you even bother?

[LUconn]

If nothing else, it is fairly alarming that somebody can basically "be" Liberty University and do whatever he wants to under that title, unilaterally. What if he gets paid a bag of cash to mistakenly endorse mail order kidney removal degrees now that we're starting a medical program? Not so sure I'd want a Dr with an LU degree on the wall.

I've never been pro or anti Godwin, but this is a fairly damaging thing to the school's integrity. Not just it's reputation. Any representation of LU needs to go through some kind of PR and/or legal department first. That way everybody can be cleared or held accountable for "mistakes".

[SuperJon]

There is no shortage of LU representation on AGS, CS & CSNbbs during football season.

I have been watching those forums all last season up to present and LU is not represented in force like other schools do. I know you and a few others post all over but you're the minority.

That's because that crap doesn't matter. No matter what is said on those boards, we're still looked at in a certain way because we are in the Big South. Nothing will change that. At some point, you realize it's pointless.

[SuperJon]

I agree, Godwin had to be acting independent of the University, and he pretty much indicates this in HIS official statement. If he had been involved with the permission of LU, he would have known Reber's contractual rights. For him to plead ignorance says he was on his own.

http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?P ... MID=116272

The point is, Liberty University is not involved. This will blow over.

In any other business, if someone did what Godwin did, he'd be gone by now.

[thepostman]

If I did what Godwin did my military career would be over. I realize the military is a bit different but Godwin has been in over is head for years. This just sealed the feal in my opinion.