[NotAJerry]

Reading CJ's breakdown of basketball makes me realize he has less knowledge about hoops then running political polls

He's the same guy who referred to Jason Campbell as a run first QB as a defense for saying RGIII is a run first QB. He pretty much doesn't know anything about anything other than all black QBs being run first QBs no matter what their stats say.

[Purple Haize]

Actually you said his numbers are all fluff. They aren't. He is talented enough to run this system. No one is putting him in the hall of fame. And heHAS saved the Knicks season. Have you seen what ticket sales have done ? The media coverage they are getting? The WINS they are putting up? The change in attitude of the Knicks players?
Other then Steve Nash, what other PG put up these numbers in Dantoni system? It's safe to say none of the other Knicks point guards.

JERRY Well Lin is a run first PG so there may be a theme

[TDDance234]

The only stat that matters: 7-0.

[flamehunter]

This whole thread is like deja vu.

[thepostman]

This whole thread is like deja vu.

haha I know...

It seems to be Lin is more legit then Tebow ever was. Not that Tebow didn't have a good run but he didn't put up anywhere near the numbers Lin has put up. I am sure Lin will come back down to earth a bit, but the kid can play.

[bradyfan]

Actually you said his numbers are all fluff. They aren't. He is talented enough to run this system. No one is putting him in the hall of fame. And heHAS saved the Knicks season. Have you seen what ticket sales have done ? The media coverage they are getting? The WINS they are putting up? The change in attitude of the Knicks players?
Other then Steve Nash, what other PG put up these numbers in Dantoni system? It's safe to say none of the other Knicks point guards.

JERRY Well Lin is a run first PG so there may be a theme

He's already being compared to Kobe Bryant because of that one game! No one may be exactly putting him in the hall of fame but they're comparing him to players that are in a completely different league (no pun intended), skill wise.

He hasn't saved the Knicks season. The Knicks were going to rebound no matter what, it's not like they were going to lose to New Jersey or Sacramento without him. Has he maybe helped win some games or provided a mental boost to some of the role players? Sure he has. However, NY was bound to be at least a 7 seed in playoffs without Lin. He may help them be closer to a 4 or 5 seed when that time comes, however, he didn't save their season. Oh, how about Chauncey Billups last year? He averaged close to 20 points per game last year and around 6 assists. That's pretty good. When Felton was in NY, he averaged 17 points per game and almost 10 assists! Felton is terrible now. Chris Duhon even averaged 4 more points per game in both of his seasons with NY than he did anywhere else. Do you even watch basketball?

This whole thread is like deja vu.

haha I know...

It seems to be Lin is more legit then Tebow ever was. Not that Tebow didn't have a good run but he didn't put up anywhere near the numbers Lin has put up. I am sure Lin will come back down to earth a bit, but the kid can play.

This I would agree with. I know Tebow's future success as a QB will be short lived, whereas with Lin, I'm just unsure. Lin has actually put up numbers that have helped his team win some games, whereas Tebow was just a guy on a winning team.

[bradyfan]

The only stat that matters: 7-0.

Yeah, pretty sure if Duke went 7-0 against Carleton, Wayne State, Florida A&M, Texas A&M Kingsville, Ferrum, NJIT and College of the Ozarks...no one would care if they were 7-0. That isn't the only thing that matters.

[BJWilliams]

you really arent doing a lot to make yourself look any better cj...youre pretty much getting smashed on every point

[bradyfan]

you really arent doing a lot to make yourself look any better cj...youre pretty much getting smashed on every point

Am I? I don't see how.

[BJWilliams]

You have yet (that I can see) of refuting Purple's points but he is doing a very good job with yours...dont even get me started on shuk...

[bradyfan]

You have yet (that I can see) of refuting Purple's points but he is doing a very good job with yours...dont even get me started on shuk...

I guess you chose to disregard this:

He's already being compared to Kobe Bryant because of that one game! No one may be exactly putting him in the hall of fame but they're comparing him to players that are in a completely different league (no pun intended), skill wise.

He hasn't saved the Knicks season. The Knicks were going to rebound no matter what, it's not like they were going to lose to New Jersey or Sacramento without him. Has he maybe helped win some games or provided a mental boost to some of the role players? Sure he has. However, NY was bound to be at least a 7 seed in playoffs without Lin. He may help them be closer to a 4 or 5 seed when that time comes, however, he didn't save their season. Oh, how about Chauncey Billups last year? He averaged close to 20 points per game last year and around 6 assists. That's pretty good. When Felton was in NY, he averaged 17 points per game and almost 10 assists! Felton is terrible now. Chris Duhon even averaged 4 more points per game in both of his seasons with NY than he did anywhere else. Do you even watch basketball?

Mind telling me how that doesn't refute Purple's point of Nash being the only good PG under D'Antoni?

[Purple Haize]

Yeah you got me on that CJ. I really don't watch a lot of basketball at any level.
Do you KNOW that the Knicks would have beat the Kings et al without Lin? Nope. So that argument is pretty silly. But even using your own twisted logic going from a solid 7 seed to a 4 or 5 seed sounds like a great improvement. But again how do you know the Knicks would have even MADE the play offs? You don't. You can't underestimate the impact that Lin is having on the psyche of this team

There is more to being a PG then stats. That is why they wanted Billups in the big trade. However he isnt really a good fit for this system.

[bradyfan]

Yeah you got me on that CJ. I really don't watch a lot of basketball at any level.
Do you KNOW that the Knicks would have beat the Kings et al without Lin? Nope. So that argument is pretty silly. But even using your own twisted logic going from a solid 7 seed to a 4 or 5 seed sounds like a great improvement. But again how do you know the Knicks would have even MADE the play offs? You don't. You can't underestimate the impact that Lin is having on the psyche of this team

There is more to being a PG then stats. That is why they wanted Billups in the big trade. However he isnt really a good fit for this system.

Yes, if you argue that D'Antoni's only good PG was Nash...I'll question whether or not you actually watch basketball. I don't have to exactly know the future to predict that. Arguing that a team would have been good with or without a certain player is not a silly argument. Also, they beat Sacramento in December by 22 and Lin played a whopping 4 minutes. I feel pretty good saying that NY would have won last night without Lin. Also, I agree that bumping his team to a 4 or 5 seed is a great improvement but that isn't saving a season. That's simply helping a team improve. Many role players could make another team one or two seeds better than they are. I'm not underestimating Lin's impact, it's definitely there. However, to say that he saved their season, especially when they haven't played a quality team yet?

Furthermore, Lin is a good fit for the system, I absolutely get that. But you can't tell me that D'Antoni's system isn't making his stats better than they would be anywhere else.

[BJWilliams]

Yeah you got me on that CJ. I really don't watch a lot of basketball at any level.
Do you KNOW that the Knicks would have beat the Kings et al without Lin? Nope. So that argument is pretty silly. But even using your own twisted logic going from a solid 7 seed to a 4 or 5 seed sounds like a great improvement. But again how do you know the Knicks would have even MADE the play offs? You don't. You can't underestimate the impact that Lin is having on the psyche of this team

There is more to being a PG then stats. That is why they wanted Billups in the big trade. However he isnt really a good fit for this system.

Yes, if you argue that D'Antoni's only good PG was Nash...I'll question whether or not you actually watch basketball. I don't have to exactly know the future to predict that. Arguing that a team would have been good with or without a certain player is not a silly argument. Also, they beat Sacramento in December by 22 and Lin played a whopping 4 minutes. I feel pretty good saying that NY would have won last night without Lin. Also, I agree that bumping his team to a 4 or 5 seed is a great improvement but that isn't saving a season. That's simply helping a team improve. Many role players could make another team one or two seeds better than they are. I'm not underestimating Lin's impact, it's definitely there. However, to say that he saved their season, especially when they haven't played a quality team yet?

Furthermore, Lin is a good fit for the system, I absolutely get that. But you can't tell me that D'Antoni's system isn't making his stats better than they would be anywhere else.

you do know that Purple is an assistant coach right?

[bradyfan]

Yeah you got me on that CJ. I really don't watch a lot of basketball at any level.
Do you KNOW that the Knicks would have beat the Kings et al without Lin? Nope. So that argument is pretty silly. But even using your own twisted logic going from a solid 7 seed to a 4 or 5 seed sounds like a great improvement. But again how do you know the Knicks would have even MADE the play offs? You don't. You can't underestimate the impact that Lin is having on the psyche of this team

There is more to being a PG then stats. That is why they wanted Billups in the big trade. However he isnt really a good fit for this system.

Yes, if you argue that D'Antoni's only good PG was Nash...I'll question whether or not you actually watch basketball. I don't have to exactly know the future to predict that. Arguing that a team would have been good with or without a certain player is not a silly argument. Also, they beat Sacramento in December by 22 and Lin played a whopping 4 minutes. I feel pretty good saying that NY would have won last night without Lin. Also, I agree that bumping his team to a 4 or 5 seed is a great improvement but that isn't saving a season. That's simply helping a team improve. Many role players could make another team one or two seeds better than they are. I'm not underestimating Lin's impact, it's definitely there. However, to say that he saved their season, especially when they haven't played a quality team yet?

Furthermore, Lin is a good fit for the system, I absolutely get that. But you can't tell me that D'Antoni's system isn't making his stats better than they would be anywhere else.

you do know that Purple is an assistant coach right?

good for him.

[thepostman]

The only stat that matters: 7-0.

Yeah, pretty sure if Duke went 7-0 against Carleton, Wayne State, Florida A&M, Texas A&M Kingsville, Ferrum, NJIT and College of the Ozarks...no one would care if they were 7-0. That isn't the only thing that matters.

going on a 7 game winning streak in the nba is completely different then this scenario.

[BJWilliams]

Just to say that he probably knows more about basketball and talent evaluation than he is letting on to you cj...

[bradyfan]

The only stat that matters: 7-0.

Yeah, pretty sure if Duke went 7-0 against Carleton, Wayne State, Florida A&M, Texas A&M Kingsville, Ferrum, NJIT and College of the Ozarks...no one would care if they were 7-0. That isn't the only thing that matters.

going on a 7 game winning streak in the nba is completely different then this scenario.

Not really. The NBA is the most top heavy professional sport. It's a star driven league unlike MLB or NFL.

Just to say that he probably knows more about basketball and talent evaluation than he is letting on to you cj...

I really don't watch a lot of basketball at any level.

So this is a lie?

Even if he does, it doesn't give him much of an edge on this issue. That isn't to take away from his experience but being able to evaluate whether a kid can play in HS or College is different than evaluating an NBA prospect. I played soccer for 15 years, including starting on a HS team, I coached for 2 and I have no idea how to evaluate a Premier League prospect. The professional game is different than the amateur game in practically every sport.

[thepostman]

but even the best teams in the league have a difficult time putting together 7 wins in a row.

I think you just like to argue

[bradyfan]

but even the best teams in the league have a difficult time putting together 7 wins in a row.

I think you just like to argue

Yeah, because it's rare that you get 7 easy teams in a row. And no, I don't care about arguing. I just like to point out stupidity.

[Purple Haize]

So you like pointing to yourself then?
Being a projected 7 seed means that if you fail you might not even make it. Being a projected 4 seed means even if you fail you have a good shot at making the playoffs. Given the injuries sustained by the Knicks and the shortened season there was a great chance that the Knicks would have missed the playoffs. This 7 game win streak has breathes new life into the Knicks and given them some momentum. By any objective measure the Knicks have seen their season turn around, and it's not the return of Amare that did it.
Congrats on you HS soccer career. The parallels to basketball are so similar.

[thepostman]

but even the best teams in the league have a difficult time putting together 7 wins in a row.

I think you just like to argue

Yeah, because it's rare that you get 7 easy teams in a row. And no, I don't care about arguing. I just like to point out stupidity.

they are winning the kind of games they weren't earlier in the season.

They lost to Golden State, Lakers, Toronto, CHARLOTTE, Phoenix, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Houston, and Detroit.

The teams they have won have been the same caliber teams. They have been a better team with Lin running the point. Plain and simple.

Sometimes its ok to admit when someone is good. Just because the media over hypes someone doesn't mean they aren't actually good.

[R i]

Melo is in a Lose- Lose situation.

They are 7-0 against some terrible teams. Their next stretch is pretty difficult just in time for melo's return.

He will be blamed for this unfortunately.

[RubberMallet]

but even the best teams in the league have a difficult time putting together 7 wins in a row.

I think you just like to argue

Yeah, because it's rare that you get 7 easy teams in a row. And no, I don't care about arguing. I just like to point out stupidity.

they are winning the kind of games they weren't earlier in the season.

They lost to Golden State, Lakers, Toronto, CHARLOTTE, Phoenix, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Houston, and Detroit.

The teams they have won have been the same caliber teams. They have been a better team with Lin running the point. Plain and simple.

Sometimes its ok to admit when someone is good. Just because the media over hypes someone doesn't mean they aren't actually good.

NOOO LET ME TALK ABOUT SOME NONSENSICAL STAT THAT NEITHER PROVES OR DISPROVES YOUR POINT

[pbow]

I feel like cjsweat and lynchburgwildcats are having a contest to see who can provide the absolute worst NBA/Knicks analysis possible.