[SuperJon]

I don't mean this to be racist, and please don't take it as that way. Anytime I've ever heard about dog fighting, it's always been black men with pit bulls. I've never heard of dog fighting with any other demographic. I know in the past, centuries ago, it was something that the upperclass did (like cock fighting), but I'm talking currently. I could be wrong, but I'm just speaking from personal experience.

[JDUB]

i also have seen dog fighting on local news. normally it only makes news when the dogs hurt a human, and then they investigate and bust a ring or something

[TIMSCAR20]

I don't mean this to be racist, and please don't take it as that way. Anytime I've ever heard about dog fighting, it's always been black men with pit bulls. I've never heard of dog fighting with any other demographic. I know in the past, centuries ago, it was something that the upperclass did (like cock fighting), but I'm talking currently. I could be wrong, but I'm just speaking from personal experience.

I'm not sure how it breaks down along racial lines but it is way bigger than I thought it was. As I am home all day now I watch a ton of CNN, MSNBC and Fox news and I have seen so many stories saying that dog fighting is everywhere. They said that if you don't know where the fights are, then chances are your neighbor does. In Chicago elementary schools, one story (I forget which network ran it) said that 1 in 5 kids had participated in dog fighting in some capacity.

[El Scorcho]

Tom Brady had 2 women pregnant at once and it was a joke on the late shows for a moment but not thought to be that big of a deal.

By comparison, it's not that big of a deal. Making babies is a lot different than abusing animals. If he had been running a dog fighting ring, it would have been a bigger deal and he would have had all the same press Vick is getting now.

[SuperJon]

I'm just speaking from what I've been around. Don't get me wrong, white people do dumb stuff too.

[TIMSCAR20]

Tom Brady had 2 women pregnant at once and it was a joke on the late shows for a moment but not thought to be that big of a deal.

By comparison, it's not that big of a deal. Making babies is a lot different than abusing animals. If he had been running a dog fighting ring, it would have been a bigger deal and he would have had all the same press Vick is getting now.

I was comparing getting 2 different women pregnant to other athletes getting women pregnant. I wasn't comparing that to dog fighting but I see your point.

[SuperJon]

I think if Tom Brady did this, it would get even more publicity than what Vick's getting.

[kel varson]

I am suprised this story is as big as it has become. Dog fighting was neve a big deal until Vick got caught. When did dog fighting every make the nightly news before the last few weeks?

Dog fighting isn't a big deal? B.S. There might not have ever been a national news story about it before but I know I've seen local stories on the evening news about dog fighting rings being broken up and the ASPCA being involved numerous times over the course of my life. It's cruel, it's illegal and where you find dog fighting you usually find criminals of all types.

As for it being a race issue...also B.S. If Tom Brady had done this, there would be just as much press.

I think dog fighting is terrible and cruel for sure, but the media is over-hyping this. The race thing was a joke.

[4everfsu]

It is not just dog fighting which is immoral and illegal, it involves gambling, it involves gambling over state lines, as you have people bringing dogs in from other states.
MV is a bum, his NFL career is over. He will not be playing this year, maybe never.
The Federal judge in VA MV is seeing tomorrow is a no nonsense judge. Rumors has it Fed may be hitting MV with RICO charges.

Both Vick brothers are thugs!!!

[PAmedic]

Ever wonder what your Mike Vick-style alias should be? Check this out.

www.ronmexico.kainalopallo.com/

Jesse Nicaragua.

suh-wheet

MrsPA will be using that, effective later this evening

[TIMSCAR20]

Ever wonder what your Mike Vick-style alias should be? Check this out.

www.ronmexico.kainalopallo.com/

Jesse Nicaragua.

suh-wheet

MrsPA will be using that, effective later this evening

Oh man that one made me spit my drink Medic. Funny stuff. Don't you get confused with being Mexican sometimes? I thought you told me that before.

[TDDance234]

It's the stache' and cowboy boots.

[LUconn]

Aside from the legality of this case, which obviously dogfighting is illegal, I've flipflopped on my opinion. I think dogfighting is horrible, but I'm having a hard time making the distinction between this and when other animals are killed. You hear the peta folks say these types of things and you just pass them off as phychos (which most of them are), but really the slaughtering process isn't all that humane for cows, chickens, pigs, etc. Now you could say but those are for food, but I really don't see why that matters. If Vick ate the dogs after, would that make it ok? Now i'm certainly not giving up my veal anytime soon so I'm not saying we shouldn't kill animals. But if they're his dogs and he wants to fight them, I guess it's his property. I certianly wouldn't want him to do it with my dogs. Another aspect of this is that dogs are cute. I think this is the biggest reason people are up in arms. If it was cock fighting nobody but peta (and the government in most states, and CCU) would care. Because roosters are ugly disease bags. And a week ago we had the running of the bulls. A bunch of people herd bulls into a stadium where some dude throws spears at them until they die. Once again, nobody cares but peta psychos. Are dogs a higher lifeform than cows?

[El Scorcho]

A bunch of people herd bulls into a stadium where some dude throws spears at them until they die. Once again, nobody cares but peta psychos. Are dogs a higher lifeform than cows?

PETA is absolutely psycho. Beyond a shadow of a doubt. I don't think most people realize how deep their psychosis goes. You can find speeches from their president on Google video that were only meant to be heard by PETA members themselves. It'll show you what they're really all about.

Take PETA out of the equation and I still care about dog fighting. I care because there are differences between livestock and pets. In American culture, dogs and cats are treated a certain way because they're bred for the purposes of being pets. We consider them dependent on us, and we have laws regarding how they should be treated. If this were South Korea, it may be a different story, but it's not. In America, we treat pets differently than livestock.

That may not be enough for some people, but for me, cultural reasons are enough. Well, that and the laws you wanted to put aside.

[bigsmooth]

indeed some countries consider dogs a delicacy, but in the united states dogs and cats are considered family by many people now. the petsmarts and petcos of the world and all of these luxury pet hotels/grooming places are cashing in on this line of thinking. chickens and cows....well most americans eat these animals and have so for decades, and though the way they are slaughtered may be inhumane only PETA seems to really care. in their mind i guess we should just eat veggies all the time. the bottom line is dogs/cats are a part of the family process in most homes now, and not only PETA people are upset about it. IMO it is an easy distinction.

[LUconn]

But see that's where it doesn't make sense to be a law. Because dogs are traditionally pets? What if I have a pet cow? Could I get my pets cows to fight each other? Or even more likely, pigs. They are both livestock and pets. In a fancy restaurant you can get rabbit (saw it on Hell's Kitchen ) There's just too much subjectivity to this for us to be making laws about what we can do with our property, which is what animals are. Some are loved, but property none the less.

[RubberMallet]

Aside from the legality of this case, which obviously dogfighting is illegal, I've flipflopped on my opinion. I think dogfighting is horrible, but I'm having a hard time making the distinction between this and when other animals are killed. You hear the peta folks say these types of things and you just pass them off as phychos (which most of them are), but really the slaughtering process isn't all that humane for cows, chickens, pigs, etc. Now you could say but those are for food, but I really don't see why that matters. If Vick ate the dogs after, would that make it ok? Now i'm certainly not giving up my veal anytime soon so I'm not saying we shouldn't kill animals. But if they're his dogs and he wants to fight them, I guess it's his property. I certianly wouldn't want him to do it with my dogs. Another aspect of this is that dogs are cute. I think this is the biggest reason people are up in arms. If it was cock fighting nobody but peta (and the government in most states, and CCU) would care. Because roosters are ugly disease bags. And a week ago we had the running of the bulls. A bunch of people herd bulls into a stadium where some dude throws spears at them until they die. Once again, nobody cares but peta psychos. Are dogs a higher lifeform than cows?

i was talking about this with my wife last night knaps...wierd...

if this was cock fighting noone would give a crap...we only do because a lot of people own dogs and love them...to them its almost like killing a member of their family.

as dennis leary said, "I love the animals." Hey, I love the animals too. I love my doggy. He's so cute. My fluffy little dog.. He's so cute- There's the problem. We only want to save the cute animals, don't we? Yeah. Why don't we just have animal auditions. Line 'em up one by one and interview them individually. "What are you?" "I'm an otter." "And what do you do?" "I swim around on my back and do cute little human things with my hands." "You're free to go." "And what are you?" "I'm a cow." "Get in the ******* truck, ok pal!" "But I'm an animal." "You're a baseball glove! Get on that truck!" "I'm an animal, I have rights!" "Yeah, here's yer ******* cousin, get on the ******* truck, pal!"

[SuperJon]

But see that's where it doesn't make sense to be a law. Because dogs are traditionally pets? What if I have a pet cow?

My dad had a farm when he was a kid. His first pet was a pet pig (I forget his name). One morning, his pet pig wasn't there anymore. Him, his brother, and his older sisters knew what happened, but his younger sister didn't. A week later, they're eating breakfast, and bacon was part of the meal. His brother looked at his younger sister and goes, "Hey Debbie, you remember ____? Well, he didn't run away. You're eating him." She got up and ran to her room and cried.

[4everfsu]

These dogs are born innocent and then made to fight. Those who dont want to fight are murdered. My dogs I consider family so I find this whole episode disgusting and as low as a man can get. He has dogs doing his fighting and paying with their lifes so he can make a profit.
Two things about this case. MV was the owner and operator of this dog kennel. So I was thinking, did he raise any dogs that he would sell to the average joe for the purposes of it being somone's pet. Or did he sell them for dog fighting purposes in that states and others. I would say if he could have proved he sold them strictly as pets then it would work in his defense. But I doubt he sold any as pets.
Secondly with the use of cell phones for taking photos today, I would have to imagine some one did take photos of MV at the fight or on the property at the time of dog fights. I am curious if that had happened. Some one would have said oh look there is MV. And took a photo of him or maybe even with him. Just a thought.

[RubberMallet]

These dogs are born innocent and then made to fight. Those who dont want to fight are murdered. My dogs I consider family so I find this whole episode disgusting and as low as a man can get. He has dogs doing his fighting and paying with their lifes so he can make a profit.
Two things about this case. MV was the owner and operator of this dog kennel. So I was thinking, did he raise any dogs that he would sell to the average joe for the purposes of it being somone's pet. Or did he sell them for dog fighting purposes in that states and others. I would say if he could have proved he sold them strictly as pets then it would work in his defense. But I doubt he sold any as pets.
Secondly with the use of cell phones for taking photos today, I would have to imagine some one did take photos of MV at the fight or on the property at the time of dog fights. I am curious if that had happened. Some one would have said oh look there is MV. And took a photo of him or maybe even with him. Just a thought.

look i don't condone dog fighting...i don't like killing of animals for no apparent reason. have i? sure, when i was immature. however, there is not dog shortage that i'm aware of. as luconn mentioned....many types of animals are used and die for human entertainment. and many that are not capable any longer or were never capable in the first place are euthanized...this is not new and sometimes even acceptable in parts of the world...

the killing of your own dogs, while greusome in nature, is a grey area to me. i've put down 2 of my families dogs (one of my grandfathers and my own like 4 months ago) ....i didn't like it one bit but i was emotionally attached to them... is what i did cruel?...

if hes involved with illegal activities, punish him. if he isn't aquit him.

[El Scorcho]

the killing of your own dogs, while greusome in nature, is a grey area to me. i've put down 2 of my families dogs (one of my grandfathers and my own like 4 months ago) ....i didn't like it one bit but i was emotionally attached to them... is what i did cruel?

Putting down a family pet humanely for appropriate reasons is completely different than training a healthy animal to fight and/or killing it inhumanely. The way these animals are alleged to have died is wrong. The fact that it was done for entertainment makes it even more wrong. I don't care what kind of animal it is, if you're killing it inhumanely for sport, you have problems.

[4everfsu]

Fox news is reporting that Reebok is suspending sales of MV's jersey

[4everfsu]

RM I never mentioned putting my dogs down for any reason, not sure where you got that. What El Scorcho says, well he said it better then I could have.

[LUconn]

the killing of your own dogs, while greusome in nature, is a grey area to me. i've put down 2 of my families dogs (one of my grandfathers and my own like 4 months ago) ....i didn't like it one bit but i was emotionally attached to them... is what i did cruel?

Putting down a family pet humanely for appropriate reasons is completely different than training a healthy animal to fight and/or killing it inhumanely. The way these animals are alleged to have died is wrong. The fact that it was done for entertainment makes it even more wrong. I don't care what kind of animal it is, if you're killing it inhumanely for sport, you have problems.

Hunting is for sport. Sometimes it's instant death. Sometimes it's more drawn out.

[El Scorcho]

Yes, but you don't hunt domesticated animals.