[logic]

Read this guy's bio -


http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m- ... ift00.html


Son of a preacher man. Gospel on the IPod. Younger brother named Godswill. Chose St. Johns because of the religious affiliation and great hoops program. Favorite quote - "Jesus Saves"


One day we will get these guys, all of them, in every sport. They are out there, just need to make Liberty a household name so they know us, and we need to find them.

[lynchburgwildcats]

One day we will get these guys, all of them, in every sport.

ALL of them? Um no, no chance of that happening...

[Purple Haize]

Then you have no vision! You will therefore be cast out and into the great eternal abyss of the small visioned

[jbock13]

Yeah I mean, if you think we're really going to be beating Kentucky in basketball anytime soon, sorry, not drinking the

[jmdickens]

There is a QB from Charlotte that committed to the University of Georgia because the coaches faith. It is about the coaches guys. We will get plenty of good guys and gals and get some not so good guys and gals, but we will never get every christian athlete to come here.

[LUconn]

Don't be such tards. It's hyperbole guys. He's saying one day (not tomorrow) we will be THE go-to school for these types of guys. Not that there will be a law passed that every one of faith will be required to attend Liberty University.

[ATrain]

Yeah I mean, if you think we're really going to be beating Kentucky in basketball anytime soon, sorry, not drinking the

Define soon

[lynchburgwildcats]

Yeah I mean, if you think we're really going to be beating Kentucky in basketball anytime soon, sorry, not drinking the

Define soon

As in forever

[jcmanson]

haha, remember mighty Gardner Webb

[R i]

The hang up is, Georgia's coach will still be a Christian. So will several other FBS coaches, that have traditions of winning and putting guys in the pros.

We will land more of them, but its not gonna be flood gates crashing down.

[jcmanson]

It's a slow and steady progression. A newborn isn't running immediately. But 5 years down the road, you look back and he's running, jumping, etc.

[lynchburgwildcats]

haha, remember mighty Gardner Webb

What you forget though is this: The drunk womanizer Billy Gillespie isn't running the show anymore

[logic]

Don't be such tards. It's hyperbole guys. He's saying one day (not tomorrow) we will be THE go-to school for these types of guys. Not that there will be a law passed that every one of faith will be required to attend Liberty University.

Winner winner chicken dinner.


The kid's name is -

GOD'SGIFT.


Son of a Nigerian pastor. "Jesus saves" favorite quote. Gospel on iPod. Sounds like the perfect Liberty kid of I ever saw one. As LU said there will come a day when Liberty will be THE DESTINATION for kids like this - my guess is sooner rather than later.

[lynchburgwildcats]

Don't be such tards. It's hyperbole guys. He's saying one day (not tomorrow) we will be THE go-to school for these types of guys. Not that there will be a law passed that every one of faith will be required to attend Liberty University.

Winner winner chicken dinner.


The kid's name is -

GOD'SGIFT.


Son of a Nigerian pastor. "Jesus saves" favorite quote. Gospel on iPod. Sounds like the perfect Liberty kid of I ever saw one. As LU said there will come a day when Liberty will be THE DESTINATION for kids like this - my guess is sooner rather than later.

Schools like LU aren't and won't be "THE DESTINATION" for BCS conerence type talent. Never has been and never will be. High quality name "mid-majors" like Gonzaga and Butler (I disagree with them being mid majors due to their consistent success year after year against BCS conference teams) don't consistently draw BCS Conference talent. As long as LU is stuck in the Big South, that's the way it's going to be year in, year out. It's nice to dream, but you have to be realistic at some point.

Just look at Gonzaga:
2012: Zero commits/signees in Rivals top 150
2011: One commit
2010: Zero commits
2009: One commit
2008: Two commits
2007: Three commits
2006: One commit
2005: Two commits
2004: Two commits
2003: Zero commits

And Butler:
2012: One commit
2011: One commit
2010: Two commits
2008: Zero commits
2007: One commit
2006: Zero commits
2005: Zero commits
2004: Zero commits
2003: One commit

Get out of the Big South, get in a legit conference, even conference USA would be a big improvement, actually consistently produce wins, and get some NCAA Tournament wins, and then maybe you'll start getting some consistently. That's a big if, a school like Notre Dame isn't even the go to Catholic school for the top level athletes...

[jcmanson]

Schools like LU aren't and won't be "THE DESTINATION" for BCS conerence type talent. Never has been and never will be. High quality name "mid-majors" like Gonzaga and Butler (I disagree with them being mid majors due to their consistent success year after year against BCS conference teams) don't consistently draw BCS Conference talent. As long as LU is stuck in the Big South, that's the way it's going to be year in, year out. It's nice to dream, but you have to be realistic at some point.

Get out of the Big South, get in a legit conference, even conference USA would be a big improvement, actually consistently produce wins, and get some NCAA Tournament wins, and then maybe you'll start getting some consistently. That's a big if, a school like Notre Dame isn't even the go to Catholic school for the top level athletes...

You contradict yourself multiple times. "One day" we will be the destination. He's not talking about this year, or next year, or even in 5 years. Obviously we won't be the destination choice in the Big South, but we're not going to be in the Big South that much longer.

[logic]

Hey, wildcatter, you should know better than to poke the bear when it comes to vision and the future of this university / athletics department. Clearly you did not heed Purple Smoke's advice.

Gonzaga and Butler are mid-major because Butler does not offer BCS football, and the Zags not at all...you know this. They will forever be mid-major schools with good basketball programs in mediocre conferences unless they grow football or in Gozaga's case, resurrect it.

Also...Butler has 4,000 students, Gonzaga 4,700. A little bit bigger than Gardner-Webb. No one with BCS football has a student body that small - even Northwestern has 18,000 students on campus when you factor their post grads. Point being - we are on our way to 20,000+ and all the perks that go with it. Mid-major is not our destiny. The BCS is.

"never has been, never will be"

Never is a strong word, and I laugh in the face of that statement. You don't produce NCAA Champions in track and field and countless top 8 NCAA All-AMERICANS without first recruiting BCS type talent. A lot of our "other sports" are recruiting BCS talent every year and it is only a matter of time (a conference jump to FBS will help) before football/basketball catch up.

Realistic? We have had NCAA champions here and we will again. We'll make the move to FBS and someday we'll be in a BCS conference. That is realistic!!

[jcmanson]

Preach logic

[lynchburgwildcats]

Hey, wildcatter, you should know better than to poke the bear when it comes to vision and the future of this university / athletics department. Clearly you did not heed Purple Smoke's advice.

Gonzaga and Butler are mid-major because Butler does not offer BCS football, and the Zags not at all...you know this. They will forever be mid-major schools with good basketball programs in mediocre conferences unless they grow football or in Gozaga's case, resurrect it.

Also...Butler has 4,000 students, Gonzaga 4,700. A little bit bigger than Gardner-Webb. No one with BCS football has a student body that small - even Northwestern has 18,000 students on campus when you factor their post grads. Point being - we are on our way to 20,000+ and all the perks that go with it. Mid-major is not our destiny. The BCS is.

"never has been, never will be"

Never is a strong word, and I laugh in the face of that statement. You don't produce NCAA Champions in track and field and countless top 8 NCAA All-AMERICANS without first recruiting BCS type talent. A lot of our "other sports" are recruiting BCS talent every year and it is only a matter of time (a conference jump to FBS will help) before football/basketball catch up.

Realistic? We have had NCAA champions here and we will again. We'll make the move to FBS and someday we'll be in a BCS conference. That is realistic!!

Recruiting BCS level talent in sports other than football and basketball is a completely different beast. Those sports don't have the scholarship allotment to cover a full roster like basketball and football. You often see student athletes being recruited by top 25 teams in sports other than the big two go to lower level schools for the scholarship, or when the scholarships aren't there, they may choose a non-Top 25 type school for academics, coaching staff, etc. That rarely happens in football and basketball given the number of scholarships they can offer.

To compare recruiting other sports to football and basketball is simply idiocy. The dynamics of recruiting a sport with a full scholarship offering to one with a partial scholarship offering is completely illogical

• football - 85/63 for FBS/FCS - 85 is enough for a full, very competitive roster. Most go over that with walk-ons, but how many o the walk-ons are playing and contributing that aren't kickers or just used for special teams coverage?
• basketball - 12 for men, 15 for women - 12/15 is plenty sufficient for a full, very competitve roster.
• track & field/cross country - 12.8 scholarships for men and 18 women. Surely this is enough to field a highly competitive team in cross country, but no way is it enough for track & field.
• baseball - 11.7 scholarships - how many competitive baseball teams only have 12 players?
• golf - 4.5 - how many competitive golf teams only have 4 players?
• soccer - 12 for women, 9.9 for men - how many competitive soccer teams only have 12/10 players?
• tennis - 8 for women, 4.5 for men - how many competitive tennis teams only have 8/5 players?
• field hockey - 12 - how many competitive ield hockey teams only have 12 players?
• lacrosse - 12 for women - how many competitive lacrosse teams only have 12 players?
• softball - 12 - how many competitive softball teams only have 12 players?
• swimming - 9.9 for women - how many competitive swimming teams only have 10 players?
• volleyball - 12 - how many competitive volleyball teams only have 12 players?

Players straight out of high school/JUCO that can play for BCS/Top-25 caliber teams fall through the cracks all the time because of full scholarship limitations in every sport, but that just doesn't happen very often at all in football and basketball given the fact they can fill their entire roster (or usable roster in the case of football) with full scholarships every year.

Why do you think you rarely ever see non-BCS schools emerge as legitimate championship contenders in football and basketball, although the past two years for basketball has been a break from the norm with Butler and VCU, but that is still just two teams outside of the six BCS conerences.

[logic]

Why - because elite level basketball players for the most part do not want to play at small schools that do not have BCS football. Butler, Gonzaga, VCU...no football. Ballers love the big time atmosphere of big-time state schools and want to go there. The same holds true for minor sports - athletes in all sports want to go to "big-time" places and that is why they choose BCS level schools. Every sport here at Liberty is fully funded and that obviously helps recruiting, but to basically say that an athlete that is looking at BCS schools and Liberty "only" comes here because a Liberty coach is going to offer a larger scholarship is not always the case and an insult to any coaches recruiting against BCS level schools.

If you have NCAA title level talent the scholarhip offer will be HIGH amongst all schools recruiting you and if you choose LU it wasn't because of the money.

Also remember more high school boys play football than any other sport on that list so while yes other sports have less scholarships they also have less high school participants.

At any rate to say that Liberty will never be a destination for top level talent is ignorant at best.

[lynchburgwildcats]

At any rate to say that Liberty will never be a destination for top level talent is ignorant at best.

And to say that LU will be the destination school for all of the best Christian athletes in the country in every sport is ignorant at best. NO school is the destination school for any type of athlete.

[jbock13]

Yeah I like Logic, but I've found you just can't agree with him.

Oh wait, that sorta sounds like me

I disagree with almost everything though. Basketball players could care less about the football. I'm sure some are interested. But look at Kansas, where they get into fights all the time. Take VCU. You're not going to VCU because you love it, has a great campus, and has a great women's polo team. You're going because it's a school that recoginized nationwide as an outlet for some good basketball.

Sadly, I would argue Liberty isn't nationally well known. Most people have heard of us, but they don't know too much about us (other than what the media tells them). We know it because we're Christians, majority of them Baptists, so we've always been interested it what LU stands for. The only other people who know who we are, are the radical left who crap themselves every time they hear our name.

I will agree with Logic on one thing, that if our football team could finally break through, it may get awareness up to our school to other kids out there who are already not aware of us. But then again, Northern Illinois has a decent football team, then look at their basketball.

I think we're on the right road. It's just going to take a long time to get there unfortunately. Some people don't want to hear it. Others know better.

[BJWilliams]

Yeah I like Logic, but I've found you just can't agree with him.

Oh wait, that sorta sounds like me

I disagree with almost everything though. Basketball players could care less about the football. I'm sure some are interested. But look at Kansas, where they get into fights all the time. Take VCU. You're not going to VCU because you love it, has a great campus, and has a great women's polo team. You're going because it's a school that recoginized nationwide as an outlet for some good basketball.

Sadly, I would argue Liberty isn't nationally well known. Most people have heard of us, but they don't know too much about us (other than what the media tells them). We know it because we're Christians, majority of them Baptists, so we've always been interested it what LU stands for. The only other people who know who we are, are the radical left who crap themselves every time they hear our name.

I will agree with Logic on one thing, that if our football team could finally break through, it may get awareness up to our school to other kids out there who are already not aware of us. But then again, Northern Illinois has a decent football team, then look at their basketball.

I think we're on the right road. It's just going to take a long time to get there unfortunately. Some people don't want to hear it. Others know better.

difference being not only that we cant agree with you, but youre a jerk too, especially if you get called out

[jbock13]

Yeah I like Logic, but I've found you just can't agree with him.

Oh wait, that sorta sounds like me

I disagree with almost everything though. Basketball players could care less about the football. I'm sure some are interested. But look at Kansas, where they get into fights all the time. Take VCU. You're not going to VCU because you love it, has a great campus, and has a great women's polo team. You're going because it's a school that recoginized nationwide as an outlet for some good basketball.

Sadly, I would argue Liberty isn't nationally well known. Most people have heard of us, but they don't know too much about us (other than what the media tells them). We know it because we're Christians, majority of them Baptists, so we've always been interested it what LU stands for. The only other people who know who we are, are the radical left who crap themselves every time they hear our name.

I will agree with Logic on one thing, that if our football team could finally break through, it may get awareness up to our school to other kids out there who are already not aware of us. But then again, Northern Illinois has a decent football team, then look at their basketball.

I think we're on the right road. It's just going to take a long time to get there unfortunately. Some people don't want to hear it. Others know better.

difference being not only that we cant agree with you, but youre a jerk too, especially if you get called out

Oh really

[thepostman]

jbock isn't a jerk, he is just wrong a lot haha. BJ you have turned into more of a jerk the past year then jbock ever could be. Lighten up

[jbock13]

jbock isn't a jerk, he is just wrong a lot haha. BJ you have turned into more of a jerk the past year then jbock ever could be. Lighten up

Exactly!

But when I have been a jerk I've apologized, like the whole Turner Gill situation. I said some stupid things I regret but it is what it is. Best thing I can do was to say I was wrong.