[jmdickens]

I know some people, especially the old hags, will go off the edge with this; however, I think in light of Liberty's growing problem with STDs, LU should implement some type of safe sex education class. What does everyone think?? Dr. Linstra talks about it all the time in his health classes. While we are a Christian university, we should teach safe sex because we should not be naive and think that sex does not happen. The goal of this is not to fight, or to advocate the idea of sex, only safe sex.


We can all agree abstinence is the best way to avoid it; but that is not happening.

[SuperJon]

No sex is the safest sex but if you're gonna have sex wear a latex.


Some dude on MTV said that when I was in middle school and I thought it was so cheesy that it stuff.


I agree though. Preach abstinence but teach safe.

[ATrain]

No sex is the safest sex but if you're gonna have sex wear a latex.


Some dude on MTV said that when I was in middle school and I thought it was so cheesy that it stuff.


I agree though. Preach abstinence but teach safe.

Agreed...when I had GNED (gosh I feel old saying that), my prof said "If you're going to be in rebellion, use protection."

[4everfsu]

Well if you are going to do it, and we know you should not , then no glove, no love.

[Fumblerooskies]

LU and STD's? First I've heard of this. Are we turning into Radford?

[SuperJon]

One thing I have noticed is that there are a lot of people at this school, especially females, that are very ignorant on the issues of sex. Granted, there are some that are way too knowledgeable for their own good as well. A lot of it comes from never being truly taught all of the issues and all of the ways to be safe while going through school. In fifth grade, we learned about puberty and what was about to happen. In middle school health, we spent a section on safe sex in 7th and 8th grade. In 9th grade, we spent a long time discussing STDs and safe sex. When I got to college, we spent a quarter of the health class on STDs, safe sex, and everything having to do with the reproductive systems. I knew how to be safe so that if I was ever in the situation, I would be.

[jcmanson]

LU and STDs??? Who says? Where is this coming from?

[belcherboy]

Dr. Linstra talks about it all the time in his health classes.

Easily my favorite teacher at Liberty!!


I don't necessarily disagree but when I'm thinking about sex education at Liberty, are we teaching people how to more safely do wrong? How to do wrong with the least amount of consequences. Kinda like teaching people to rob people when they are not home, so there is less a chance of getting caught? I don't know, where is my thinking messed up here.

[RubberMallet]

my wife had this problem when i we were there....all that sex she kept wanting to have..

[SuperJon]

I don't necessarily disagree but when I'm thinking about sex education at Liberty, are we teaching people how to more safely do wrong? How to do wrong with the least amount of consequences. Kinda like teaching people to rob people when they are not home, so there is less a chance of getting caught? I don't know, where is my thinking messed up here.

I don't look at it that way at all. We all know how hard it is to say no when you're a teenager or in college, or anytime before you're married for that matter. Most people slip up and don't say no at one point in time. When that happens, the person should know the proper ways to be safe. I'll admit myself that I slipped up once but I'm thankful that I knew to be safe and nothing came from it that's going to be with me the rest of my life. Some kids don't know how to be safe and when they slip up they end up with a kid or an STD.

[givemethemic]

what was the term "Sex can wait masterbate"?

[thepostman]

Its a tough thing to balance, especially as Christians...but as long as abstinence is stressed I see nothing wrong with explaining the different kids of protection out there...it can even be educational for later on in life when you get married...there are so many people at Liberty that are completely clueless about birth control...before I got married my wife and I did extensive research in order to figure out if certain things were really abortive...

so yeah...there are a lot of things I think us as Christians need to improve on in this area....sex is too often viewed as taboo for Christians to talk about and I just don't think that is right...

[adam42381]

I think it's atrocious that Christian school kids aren't given safe sex options. I know because I went to Christian school K-12 and we weren't taught jack about safe sex. A ton of girls ended up getting pregnant or STDs because they didn't know any better. I know that they should tell the kids not to have sex but that's not going to stop them. Give them options such as condoms and birth control. I knew a ton of kids who were scared to get caught with condoms so they just had unprotected sex. They WILL give in to their hormones; they DON'T have to get STDs from it.

[belcherboy]

I don't necessarily disagree but when I'm thinking about sex education at Liberty, are we teaching people how to more safely do wrong? How to do wrong with the least amount of consequences. Kinda like teaching people to rob people when they are not home, so there is less a chance of getting caught? I don't know, where is my thinking messed up here.

I don't look at it that way at all. We all know how hard it is to say no when you're a teenager or in college, or anytime before you're married for that matter. Most people slip up and don't say no at one point in time. When that happens, the person should know the proper ways to be safe. I'll admit myself that I slipped up once but I'm thankful that I knew to be safe and nothing came from it that's going to be with me the rest of my life. Some kids don't know how to be safe and when they slip up they end up with a kid or an STD.

I totally understand your reasoning, but I can't help but think we are sending mixed signals. Kinda like telling a married guy that it is wrong to cheat on your wife, but if you do, go to this website. It is safe and secure, and you have less of a chance of screwing up your life. I mean temptation happens to every married guy, so we might as well teach them how to be as safe as possible about it. I'm just not seeing the difference.

I have no problem teaching them about sex, but to teach them ways to prevent STD's seems counterproductive from a Biblical standpoint. Maybe I'm way off here.

[Purple Haize]

Hey don't look at me!! I left there a LONG time ago. Even if I WAS sleeping with one of the profs!!

LU CAN"T have any type of sex ed class. It would be admitting that there was something going on that they expressly prohibit. Ditto the church going public at large. They can't admit to having sex for fear of being condemned to hell (right along with slow drivers on RTE 151 in Nelson but that is another topic) therefore they just "make it up as they go". It is BY FAR easier to hide an STD from a parent then it is for a person to talk to their folks about it.
Add to that the "peer pressure" to stay away from it and you are GOING to have this type of thing.
As for "Latex Sex" good luck with that. To quote a famous ATC of challenged stature "Back in my day a dry hump wasn't just on a camel"!!

[adam42381]

I totally understand your reasoning, but I can't help but think we are sending mixed signals. Kinda like telling a married guy that it is wrong to cheat on your wife, but if you do, go to this website. It is safe and secure, and you have less of a chance of screwing up your life. I mean temptation happens to every married guy, so we might as well teach them how to be as safe as possible about it. I'm just not seeing the difference.

I have no problem teaching them about sex, but to teach them ways to prevent STD's seems counterproductive from a Biblical standpoint. Maybe I'm way off here.

Kinda like telling teenagers to wear a seatbelt when they drive because it could help save their lives when they're speeding and have a wreck. Or telling fat preachers to diet and exercise to keep from having heart attacks. We all know some fat preachers who eat/ate too much and adversely effected their health (which was a sin last time I checked). People are going to break rules, it's plain and simple. We should just give them good information that could help save their lives.

[belcherboy]

I think it's atrocious that Christian school kids aren't given safe sex options. I know because I went to Christian school K-12 and we weren't taught jack about safe sex. A ton of girls ended up getting pregnant or STDs because they didn't know any better. I know that they should tell the kids not to have sex but that's not going to stop them. Give them options such as condoms and birth control. I knew a ton of kids who were scared to get caught with condoms so they just had unprotected sex. They WILL give in to their hormones; they DON'T have to get STDs from it.

Obviously from a Christian perspective, why does this teaching not apply to other common sins of todays youth? I read a survey that over 60% of kids cheat. Should we teach them ways to safely cheat in school? I think that is what I can't quite wrap my brain around. Are we not teaching effective ways to limit (or eliminate) the consequences of sin?

I have few problems teaching sex ed, but to teach sex ed for the prevention of STD's and pregnancy outside of marriage seems like we are helping those who participate in such behavior. I'm not sure there is a way to teach sex ed without teaching about the other, but for some reason I can't get out of my head that teaching STD prevention seems to be the wrong action. I'm not sure though!

[adam42381]

I think it's atrocious that Christian school kids aren't given safe sex options. I know because I went to Christian school K-12 and we weren't taught jack about safe sex. A ton of girls ended up getting pregnant or STDs because they didn't know any better. I know that they should tell the kids not to have sex but that's not going to stop them. Give them options such as condoms and birth control. I knew a ton of kids who were scared to get caught with condoms so they just had unprotected sex. They WILL give in to their hormones; they DON'T have to get STDs from it.

Obviously from a Christian perspective, why does this teaching not apply to other common sins of todays youth? I read a survey that over 60% of kids cheat. Should we teach them ways to safely cheat in school? I think that is what I can't quite wrap my brain around. Are we not teaching effective ways to limit (or eliminate) the consequences of sin?

I have few problems teaching sex ed, but to teach sex ed for the prevention of STD's and pregnancy outside of marriage seems like we are helping those who participate in such behavior. I'm not sure there is a way to teach sex ed without teaching about the other, but for some reason I can't get out of my head that teaching STD prevention seems to be the wrong action. I'm not sure though!

So we should just not give them any information to help them? That sounds like a great idea so that when they get an STD they hide it from their future mate (who may very well be a virgin on their wedding day) who in turn passes it to their children. This reasoning just sounds so ignorant to me.

[belcherboy]

I totally understand your reasoning, but I can't help but think we are sending mixed signals. Kinda like telling a married guy that it is wrong to cheat on your wife, but if you do, go to this website. It is safe and secure, and you have less of a chance of screwing up your life. I mean temptation happens to every married guy, so we might as well teach them how to be as safe as possible about it. I'm just not seeing the difference.

I have no problem teaching them about sex, but to teach them ways to prevent STD's seems counterproductive from a Biblical standpoint. Maybe I'm way off here.

Kinda like telling teenagers to wear a seatbelt when they drive because it could help save their lives when they're speeding and have a wreck. Or telling fat preachers to diet and exercise to keep from having heart attacks. We all know some fat preachers who eat/ate too much and adversely effected their health (which was a sin last time I checked). People are going to break rules, it's plain and simple. We should just give them good information that could help save their lives.

I'm not following you there, because I feel like telling kids how to safely have sex is somewhat endorsing the act. Again I could be way off here. What if a church wanted to teach STD prevention to married couples? We know that every church has people who cheat, should we teach them how to protect themselves?

I am also an advocate of eliminating AIDS. Monogamy should nearly do it in one generation. Or we could continue to teach condoms (last I heard they are only about 60-70% effective if protecting from pregnancy and STD's) and have the problem until a cure is found.

[SuperJon]

We teach against alcohol but we stress over and over if you do drink, get someone else to drive for you. With your line of thinking, that's not right either.

[adam42381]

I totally understand your reasoning, but I can't help but think we are sending mixed signals. Kinda like telling a married guy that it is wrong to cheat on your wife, but if you do, go to this website. It is safe and secure, and you have less of a chance of screwing up your life. I mean temptation happens to every married guy, so we might as well teach them how to be as safe as possible about it. I'm just not seeing the difference.

I have no problem teaching them about sex, but to teach them ways to prevent STD's seems counterproductive from a Biblical standpoint. Maybe I'm way off here.

Kinda like telling teenagers to wear a seatbelt when they drive because it could help save their lives when they're speeding and have a wreck. Or telling fat preachers to diet and exercise to keep from having heart attacks. We all know some fat preachers who eat/ate too much and adversely effected their health (which was a sin last time I checked). People are going to break rules, it's plain and simple. We should just give them good information that could help save their lives.

I'm not following you there, because I feel like telling kids how to safely have sex is somewhat endorsing the act. Again I could be way off here. What if a church wanted to teach STD prevention to married couples? We know that every church has people who cheat, should we teach them how to protect themselves?

I am also an advocate of eliminating AIDS. Monogamy should nearly do it in one generation. Or we could continue to teach condoms (last I heard they are only about 60-70% effective if protecting from pregnancy and STD's) and have the problem until a cure is found.

That utopia you dream about is never going to come to fruition. I guess you probably slam that makers of radar detectors too, huh?

[belcherboy]

I think it's atrocious that Christian school kids aren't given safe sex options. I know because I went to Christian school K-12 and we weren't taught jack about safe sex. A ton of girls ended up getting pregnant or STDs because they didn't know any better. I know that they should tell the kids not to have sex but that's not going to stop them. Give them options such as condoms and birth control. I knew a ton of kids who were scared to get caught with condoms so they just had unprotected sex. They WILL give in to their hormones; they DON'T have to get STDs from it.

Obviously from a Christian perspective, why does this teaching not apply to other common sins of todays youth? I read a survey that over 60% of kids cheat. Should we teach them ways to safely cheat in school? I think that is what I can't quite wrap my brain around. Are we not teaching effective ways to limit (or eliminate) the consequences of sin?

I have few problems teaching sex ed, but to teach sex ed for the prevention of STD's and pregnancy outside of marriage seems like we are helping those who participate in such behavior. I'm not sure there is a way to teach sex ed without teaching about the other, but for some reason I can't get out of my head that teaching STD prevention seems to be the wrong action. I'm not sure though!

So we should just not give them any information to help them? That sounds like a great idea so that when they get an STD they hide it from their future mate (who may very well be a virgin on their wedding day) who in turn passes it to their children. This reasoning just sounds so ignorant to me.

I don't know all the answers, and am not pretending to say my thinking is right. Christian parents could teach their kids, or send them to the public schools to learn it. I just don't see how Christians teaching people how to sin safer is not wrong on some level. I'm just glad I don't have kids!! (I'm a virgin myself, I know you must be shocked )

[ATrain]

Its not endorsing the act. Like my GNED prof said, "If you're going to be in rebellion, then don't be stupid and use protection."

[belcherboy]

We teach against alcohol but we stress over and over if you do drink, get someone else to drive for you. With your line of thinking, that's not right either.

Who teaches that? The world does a GREAT job at teaching that. I'm not sure if our Christian institutions need to have a class on alcohol consumption.

[belcherboy]

Kinda like telling teenagers to wear a seatbelt when they drive because it could help save their lives when they're speeding and have a wreck. Or telling fat preachers to diet and exercise to keep from having heart attacks. We all know some fat preachers who eat/ate too much and adversely effected their health (which was a sin last time I checked). People are going to break rules, it's plain and simple. We should just give them good information that could help save their lives.

I'm not following you there, because I feel like telling kids how to safely have sex is somewhat endorsing the act. Again I could be way off here. What if a church wanted to teach STD prevention to married couples? We know that every church has people who cheat, should we teach them how to protect themselves?

I am also an advocate of eliminating AIDS. Monogamy should nearly do it in one generation. Or we could continue to teach condoms (last I heard they are only about 60-70% effective if protecting from pregnancy and STD's) and have the problem until a cure is found.

That utopia you dream about is never going to come to fruition. I guess you probably slam that makers of radar detectors too, huh?

I would if they sold them in the church lobby or school bookstore.