[kazport]

Did anyone Vote for Alex for Best Individual performance last year for his game against VMI ?

[Stevev]

No. A noteworthy accomplishment but VMI had a terrible defense.

[Knucklehead]

No pales next to Josh 3:57 mile

[SuperJon]

No. Alex's was good, but Megan or Josh was exponentially better.

[TIMSCAR20]

I voted for Megan because I am a huge fan but Josh's under 4 minute mile is deserving. Now that I am running a lot outside, I find it absolutely incredible that a human being can cover that distance on foot in just 4 minutes Not to take anything away from Ace but he was put in a situation to get those numbers where Megan just took over a big game on the road and it was historical in the sense that it was UVA's first loss in the new building.

[kazport]

I voted for Megan because I am a huge fan but Josh's under 4 minute mile is deserving. Now that I am running a lot outside, I find it absolutely incredible that a human being can cover that distance on foot in just 4 minutes Not to take anything away from Ace but he was put in a situation to get those numbers where Megan just took over a big game on the road and it was historical in the sense that it was UVA's first loss in the new building.

Can you explain what you mean by he was put in a situation?? That makes no sense.

[SuperJon]

VMI's defense. Any athletic big man is going to get a ton of points against them.

[TIMSCAR20]

VMI's defense. Any athletic big man is going to get a ton of points against them.

Basically what I am saying is that if VMI didn't get the turnover, Ace got a layup and because VMI takes about 30-40 more shots per game and force you to take 20 or so shots more per game that 19 rebounds were readily available to him as well as getting a ton more shots and a ton of high percentage shots. Impressive numbers for sure but I saw players from Richmond and Mercer that were half as talented as Ace have big nights of shooting layups and putbacks due to the style of play VMI deploys. To further back what I am saying a week later, Ace was held to a dismal performance against the same team but in our own gym because VMI switched up their style of play.

[kazport]

VMI's defense. Any athletic big man is going to get a ton of points against them.

That is so ridiculous!!!!!!!!!! Give me an example of anyone else who played VMI and got 40 pts.

[TIMSCAR20]

VMI's defense. Any athletic big man is going to get a ton of points against them.

That is so ridiculous!!!!!!!!!! Give me an example of anyone else who played VMI and got 40 pts.

Wow Kaz, I guess you didn't watch VMI play last year. Their goal was to TAKE 55 3 point shots in a game! Most teams don't get that many possessions in a 40 minute game. They routinely shot 70-80 shots in a game as a team and opponents shot a lot too. My laptop crashed so I am on my desktop and don't have the stats in front of me but I can scurry some up a couple of days from now from my research covering their games. I saw them play a few times against teams other than LU and each night 1 person scored several points over their average. It is a high risk, high reward defense.

[LUconn]

kaz has a point. Maybe we should give our man some credit instead of writing him off.

They did hold Oden to 0 points when they played OSU No but seriously Alex's performance was not anything short of exceptional. Even it it was against VMI. I just wouldn't put it above a sub 4 minute mile or a girl almost scoring 40.

[TIMSCAR20]

The Mercer game had 2 forwards that had double doubles. One had 18 points 22 rebs and the other had 18 points 12 rebs. SJ and me were there and he can vouch that the kids that did that were decent players but neither was Tim Duncan if you know what I mean.

[TIMSCAR20]

Ace's numbers were exceptional but his performance was on par with what opponents did to VMI all year. They were dead last in Defense and it wasn't even close. They were 1st in offense and it wasn't close. They were a statistical anomoly and if you allow for that situation to be accepted as fact, it diminishes the accomplishment.

[TIMSCAR20]

AZ Reid had 32/15 one game and 32/25 the next. Everyone game you can look at their box scores and see these gaudy stats from at least 1 or 2 players. Winthrop had a guy Antown Harris that went 10-11 off the bench for 22 points in 22 minutes. I don't even remember what he looks like....Stats on the VMI website.

[TIMSCAR20]

The Mercer game had 2 forwards that had double doubles. One had 18 points 22 rebs and the other had 18 points 12 rebs. SJ and me were there and he can vouch that the kids that did that were decent players but neither was Tim Duncan if you know what I mean.

That is 36 points and 34 rebounds from 1 position! Ace played 37 minutes so I give him credit for stamina at that pace! Maybe he can run a sub 4 minute mile too Really though, I am not trying to take anything away from him as a player but no one that knows anything about hoops would mistake that performance for a "typical night." That is what I mean by being put in a situation. Also the following week Ace played 39 minutes vs VMI and had 9 points and 11 rebounds on 4 for 9 shooting. Totally different situation.

[kazport]

AZ Reid had 32/15 one game and 32/25 the next. Everyone game you can look at their box scores and see these gaudy stats from at least 1 or 2 players. Winthrop had a guy Antown Harris that went 10-11 off the bench for 22 points in 22 minutes. I don't even remember what he looks like....Stats on the VMI website.

You still didn't answer the question. In the Big South Conference last year (i willmake it clear) who else scored 40 pts and 19 rebs. in one game against VMI except ALex?????? Not last year or the year before or non conference games

[TIMSCAR20]

One last point. Chris Oliver from Radford had 36 and 18 in 37 minutes a couple of weeks before Ace had his game. Oliver is a very similar player to McLean. He is long and athletic and can run like a deer just like Ace.

[kazport]

One last point. Chris Oliver from Radford had 36 and 18 in 37 minutes a couple of weeks before Ace had his game. Oliver is a very similar player to McLean. He is long and athletic and can run like a deer just like Ace.

You know this is supposed to be FLAMEFANS. Not lets find a way to make it seem like that was nothing. Not to mention the 11th double double of the year. Way to go. Maybe we should just talk about Larry BLair for the rest of the year.

[TIMSCAR20]

One last point. Chris Oliver from Radford had 36 and 18 in 37 minutes a couple of weeks before Ace had his game. Oliver is a very similar player to McLean. He is long and athletic and can run like a deer just like Ace.

You know this is supposed to be FLAMEFANS. Not lets find a way to make it seem like that was nothing. Not to mention the 11th double double of the year. Way to go. Maybe we should just talk about Larry BLair for the rest of the year.

Again, I am not taking away anything from Ace the player. But you cannot argue against the fact that offensive stats are inflated in virtually every VMI game and in that context you have to say that Alex's feat is not as big as it would seem. If Josh had a dog sled pulling him around the track or wheels under his shoes when he ran the 4 min mile we would be taking into consideration the context. Context in sports is important when judging performances. Also are you implying that I am not a flamefan? That is really funny We are comparing and voting on 5 different Liberty athletes to see who had the best performance. I only introduced the other stats and players to the conversation for context since clearly you have not seen VMI play this past season.

[LUconn]

You want to see accomplishments talked down, bring up Blair. you dont even want to get into that. You'll want to pull your hair out. 40 points is a great accomplishment and better than anybody else did this year vs VMI but can you blame them for not holding it up as a 40 point game vs Winthrop (or really insert any other team name there). It's very good, better than most here will give credit for, but it's not an average game.

[kazport]

No. A noteworthy accomplishment but VMI had a terrible defense.

Big South Announces Men's Basketball Players of the Week
Courtesy: Big South
Release: 02/25/2007

CHARLOTTE, N.C. – Liberty junior Alex McLean (Bay Shore, N.Y.) has been selected as the Big South Conference Choice Hotels Men’s Basketball Player of the Week, while High Point guard Eugene Harris (Pittsburgh, Pa.) received New Balance Freshman of the Week honors for games played the final week of the regular-season, Feb. 19-24, it was announced Sunday evening by the League office.

McLean averaged 28.0 points and 15.0 rebounds in Liberty’s two road wins this past week to help the Flames jump into third-place in the Big South standings. He shot 67.6 percent from the floor (23-of-34) and collected double-doubles in both games. Last Wednesday vs. VMI, McLean had a double-double in the first half with 20 points and 11 rebounds en route to career-highs of 40 points and 19 boards against the Keydets, both national highs for the day. He also was a perfect 10-of-10 from the free throw line, including 8-of-8 at VMI. He tallied 16 points and 11 rebounds at Radford Saturday.

All I am saying is that all the athletes that are in this category deserve it no matter who wins. Thats not the point. Dont' just sluff off someones accomplishments like anyone can do it. I am well aware that almost all players score more points when playing VMI.

[SuperJon]

Brew throwing up 30-some points was more impressive than Ace at VMI.

[olldflame]

The award is for the BEST individual performance, so saying that all 5 nominees deserve it is silly. Rashad's 199 yards against Savannah State shouldn't even be on the list, but it was the most impressive number for a football player, even though the opponent was a joke. I voted for Megan, because she not only put up huge individual numbers, but carried her team to a victory against an ACC opponent on the road. IMHO it was a monumental effort.


Actually, I think Blair's scoring 40 of the team's 76 points on 17 of 25 shooting against Coastal was a more impressive BBall performance.

[01LUGrad]

No disrespect to Megan, but UVA, while being an ACC team, was only 4 games over .500 and didn't even make the NCAA tournament. They also suffered losses to Richmond and powerhouse South Dakota State. Again, I'm not trying to say that 37 points isn't impressive, it just wasn't the BEST individual performance. You already know my vote. (check the other dueling thread on this topic in the Courtyard if your head is in the sand)

[SuperJon]

Actually, I think Blair's scoring 40 of the team's 76 points on 17 of 25 shooting against Coastal was a more impressive BBall performance.

I agree with that too. That's two performances that I think were better than Alex's.