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By whmatthews
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#25083
I would think as a Christian school who hasn't gone by the way side, these guys would love to come to LU and play. Our football program is no NC State, but, to players like this, there's more to life than football.

http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/s ... 05aaa.html
RALEIGH -- John Amanchukwu knows he may never become one of the most decorated players in college or professional football history. He even knows that he may never be a starter on the offensive line at NC State.

The junior guard may never, in fact, have much of an impact on a game during his career with the Wolfpack.

But that won't keep him from dedicating his time with the team trying to make an impact on his teammates, to spread the joy he knows from his faith and his abilities as a budding minister.

"Being a preacher has always been the final destination for me, since I was five or six years old," said Amanchukwu. "Maybe one day I will move up and be a big-time football player or get a job somewhere and do well. But that won't be the highlight of my life.

"The highlight of my life is reaching souls and ministering the word of God. That is the joy and the hunger for me."

Amanchukwu, pronounced "ah-mahn-CHUKE-woo," became an ordained minister at Raleigh's Upper Room Church of God in Christ on July 11, 2004. He is there to assist Pastor Patrick L. Wooden Jr. every Sunday that he can when football is not in season. Wooden says Amanchukwu is among the first people to arrive at the 3,000-member church every Sunday, helping others open the doors and secure the grounds by 6 a.m. sharp.

He's there faithfully for Wooden's 7 a.m. class for those who minister, called Christian Apologetics, in which Wooden preaches that it's OK to be an unapologetic Christian, a lesson Wooden learned during his frequent evangelical stands that have generated national headlines for a church that began humbly in 1987 with 120 members.

Amanchukwu is there until the final member leaves from morning worship, usually around 3:30 p.m.

"He is a moral young man," said Wooden, a former offensive lineman himself at Fayetteville State and a member of a state champion high school team at Richmond County. "I tell you, I don't think NC State will ever be made ashamed for ... giving him a chance. He is a straight-shooter and a hard worker. He won the hearts of the members of the church and my heart almost immediately.

"We are extremely proud of him."

Amanchukwu - generally called "John Wu" by his teammates, who don't always go to the trouble of pronouncing his Nigerian surname that means "I know God" - is still a relative newcomer to NC State. The Raleigh native, whose father is from Nigeria, arrived prior to last football season, an unheralded transfer from nearby St. Augustine's College.

Amanchukwu was one of the top-ranked tight ends in the state when he was a senior at Raleigh's Cardinal Gibbons High School. But he didn't have the necessary SAT scores to play Division I-A football. So he played a year for St. Aug's fledgling football program, got his academics in order and then transferred to NC State, where he was required to sit out last year under NCAA transfer rules.

He joined Chuck Amato's program as a little-known walk-on last year, working as a defensive lineman and doing all the grunt work required of scout-team players.

"When you come as a walk-on, you are nobody," Amanchukwu said. "Some may call you the scum of the team. You are like a leach, looking for some blood. You are just trying to find something. Whatever is there, you take and you thank God for the opportunity.

"I worked hard, just like I was playing in a game. I went out there, running around the field. Give the guys a good look and do what little I could do."

Amanchukwu had never played guard before he was switched over from the defensive line in the spring. So his skills are still raw, according to NC State line coach Mike Barry.

"He has a long way to go," Barry said after watching Amanchukwu during the early days of fall drills. "He is learning. He had a good spring and he work hard. He is very athletic.

"But it is not natural to him yet. It's not in his computer yet. We are still inputting stuff in so he can retrieve it."

However, Amanchukwu brought several intangibles with him from defense, not the least of which was an aggressive attitude.

"It is always great to bring guys over from the defense, because you know they are going to get off the ball and be aggressive and they have good big strong quick hands," said junior center Leroy Harris, who plays beside Amanchukwu.

Barry says the offensive line is still a bit in flux, at least until after he evaluates tape from Saturday evening's first scrimmage of the preseason. But, as rough around the edges as he may be, Amanchukwu is in the mix for a starting job with Kalani Heppe, John McKeon and Curtis Crouch.

Amanchukwu hopes he can help when the season kicks off against Virginia Tech on Sept. 4. But he also hopes that he can minister to his teammates, his classmates and anybody who is willing to sit down and talk for a few minutes. He's not an in-the-face preacher, given to hysterics. Imagine that from a 6-foot-4, 295 offensive lineman.

"I usually just minister to people one-one-one," Amanchukwu said. "One thing I have learned, especially working with young people, if you jump out at them, especially with something as pointed as Christianity and your faith, they tend not to receive you. "I let people see the lifestyle I live, let them see the good works I do instead of something I say. `Christianity' is an action word."

So Amanchukwu prays, he preaches, he studies the Bible and he fasts, several days a week, sometimes from sun-up to sun-down. He's reluctant to talk about his fasting days, saying it's a private part of his devotion. But he has caught the attention of his teammates and people outside the program.

One hot day after practice, Amanchukwu was sitting in the shade talking to an interviewer when senior wide receiver Sterling Hicks walked by. He listened in for a few moments, then tapped the interviewer on the shoulder.

"That's a good man right there," Hicks said, as he walked away.

People are starting to notice John Amanchukwu.

You may contact Tim Peeler at tim_peeler@ncsu.edu.
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By Sly Fox
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Obviously he is the type of talent we would be targeting. But he certainly can't be faulted for being a witness at NCSU.
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By whmatthews
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He definately can't be blamed for being a strong witness there, more power to him. I'm sure State doesn't have the same kind of apologetics department we do though. I'm sure there aren't many Ergun Caner types there.
By SuperJon
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#25086
Many people are devout Christians like that but don't want to live under the Liberty Way.
By A.G.
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#25089
Perhaps also, they may feel God's calling to play at a secular school, taking Christ at His word that the sick are the ones that need the Physician.
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By PeterParker
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Many people are devout Christians like that but don't want to live under the Liberty Way.
I second this motion.
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By TallyW
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#25143
dry argument. Look around campus. There are plenty of kids out there willing to do it. Besides... nothing in the Liberty Way hurts a kid who wants to put himself under authority to grow. This article talks of a guy being at the church by 6am so he gets up by 5am and works nearly 12 hours for free. I doubt the Liberty Way is the reason he'd stay away. The school isn't breaking record enrollment year after year because of fear of the Liberty Way.
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By Sly Fox
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Nice sig, tally.
By SuperJon
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#25148
Listen, I'll speak slow. No one...said...the...Liberty Way...was bad. There are...some kids...who simply...don't want...a ton of rules in college.
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By prototype
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SuperJon wrote:Many people are devout Christians like that but don't want to live under the Liberty Way.

Come on guys - Your not serious!!!! You think Liberty has rules? What rules do you think you have now? You have 3 rules now - Curfew (Is this really that big of deal - especially for an athelete - Tech and UVA's teams have a curfew, and is there really anything to do after 12 anyway in Lynchburg). And the second rule - No Girls in the dorm (Most kids we want won't have an issue with this) and last - Can not drink (Refer to comment from 1st rule)

If they don't want to follow those rules - live off campus - it's not that hard to get off now-a-days, they need the rooms.


When I went there - We had no TV, no secular music, wore ties to class and to eat, mandatory church 6 times a week, no shorts on campus, should I go on?? The reason some of these atheletes don't come here is the same reason they don't sign with JMU, Appy State, Georgia Southern, etc... THEY WANT TO PLAY ON THE 1-A LEVEL OR EVEN TELL THERE GRANDCHILDREN THEY WERE ON THE TEAM.
By SuperJon
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#25156
Good God I hate all of you friggin alumni that always have to remind us how freaking bad you had it. Look, a lot of kids don't like having a curfew, especially in college. A friend of mine was hanging out with us tonight and had to leave during a movie because of hall meeting. Many people, especially athletes, like to be able to wear sweats and a t-shirt to class. I'm not saying the Liberty Way is bad. I'm saying it doesn't appeal to a lot of people, and that's why they don't choose us.
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By jmdickens
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#25163
These are all reasons why top talents don't come to LU to play sports. The biggest two sports are mens basketball and football, and the wildest guys play those two sports....
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By Purple Haize
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I can't believe i haven't heard this one yet: "But we are a ministry, you should want to sacrifice to come here. In the end, when the judgement comes, do you think all those games that were on TV the great facilities, the outstanding academics (ok so maybe not state) the limitless opportunites to connect with alum who can get you a job, a free education will count towards anything come judgement day??? Sacrifice for you faith young man. Use your talents for the LORD here at LU, Viriginia" Largest Christian University? Ask your self, what would Jesus do.............................what? you are evangelizing the unbelievers right there? On the team? Do you thnk you are equipped for that?"
OK, just a nice little jab!!!!
Good for him. Hey, obviously LU didn't pursue him or if they did he wasn't interested. It is no great crime and I am pretty sure it is not in the neighborhood of an unpardonable sin to say "You know what, Liberty just isn't for me" for whatever reason.
Can't we all just get along?
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By TallyW
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Many people are devout Christians like that but don't want to live under the Liberty Way.

Listen, I'll speak slow. No one...said...the...Liberty Way...was bad. There are...some kids...who simply...don't want...a ton of rules in college.


Actually you said "Many people"... big difference from "some". For instance, "many people" at LU attend by their own choice and don't blame their life's circumstance on others. There are "some" however who seem to be there kicking and screaming who complain about everything they can. "Many people" who are alumni are bored with "some" students who continue to talk smack about how tough life is under rules they signed up for. "Many people" in the military who also sign up for a certain level of rules tell "some" people who complain to get over it or leave. I'd think "Many people" who are alumni would agree with the feeling that "some" complainers should get over themselves and understand that there are things that make LU great and yes part of it has to do with discipline on campus. "Many people" who are alumni feel that things like curfews, class dress and single-sex dorms all contributed to their growth even if those same "many people" were "some" of the complainers when they too were in school.


Good God I hate all of you friggin alumni that always have to remind us how freaking bad you had it.

Feeling's mutual when it comes to people who think with a very short sighted view of things. Considering the alumi bring up old policy to say that at some point students just have to suck it up. Life isn't easy or fair and kids who claim the name of Christ should buck up and quit their whining. Students know what the policies are before they arrive but instead of adhering to the policy, students spend their time trying to circumvent them. In addition, the fact that the university has DOUBLED it's on campus enrollment since the time that today's freshman were in 8th grade is amazing.

Liberty is different and yes part of that is in our policies for students. To say that we can't compete because of a curfew or alcohol is weak. Are there kids that won't come? Sure. They wouldn't like it here. But that's not every recruit and that's not any different than a kid who wants to stay in state or a kid who wants to play in warm weather. These are factors that vary from kid to kid. To say that these are the reasons we can't get certain kids is crazy. Does it factor at all? Sure. Is it big enough of a factor? No. In this country we should be able to build a University that can attract kids from all over who are fine with a curfew.
By 4everfsu
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SJ get over your hatred for us old timers who tell you what we went thru at LBC or LU. Twenty years from now, you maybe telling students at LU how life was when you attended. You students have it made, if you or anyone don't like the Liberty way, go somewhere else. I think this kid at NCSU would not mind LU. A little discipline never hurts anyone.
One thing our players did when I was there, was witness to opposing players after the game. Is that still going on?
If I remember we had to sign out when we left Treasure Island. I think we had to be back by no later then 11 pm. We even locked the gate on the bridge so if you didnt get back on time, you slept in your car, no matter what the weather was like. There was no phone at the bridge to call anyone on the island. Heck there were no cell phones, internet back there, imagine that!
Heck we even had room inspections, demerits. Do you guys have to put up with that today?
By 4everfsu
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SJ get over your hatred for us old timers who tell you what we went thru at LBC or LU. Twenty years from now, you maybe telling students at LU how life was when you attended. You students have it made today, if you or anyone don't like the Liberty way, go somewhere else. I think this kid at NCSU would not mind LU. A little discipline never hurts anyone. Also if you see us old timers posting anything, just pass on our contributions and read the next person's writing.
One thing our players did when I was there, was witness to opposing players after the game. Is that still going on?
If I remember we had to sign out when we left Treasure Island. I think we had to be back by no later then 11 pm. We even locked the gate on the bridge so if you didnt get back on time, you slept in your car, no matter what the weather was like. There was no phone at the bridge to call anyone on the island. Heck there were no cell phones, internet back there, imagine that!
Heck we even had room inspections, demerits. Do you guys have to put up with that today?
By SuperJon
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#1 - The internet hadn't become available at that time.
#2 - Yes, they still have to sign out.
#3 - I didn't say I had a problem with the Liberty Way. I live off campus so most of it doesn't apply to me. I wouldn't have come to Liberty had I had to stay on campus.
#4 - We may have it easier than you guys but you guys take every effing oppurtunity to tell us how bad you had it.
#5 - There are still room checks multiple times a week.
#6 - There are still reps and fines for when you get in trouble.

Here are quotes from people on message boards at secular schools in response to the current rules at LU:
Schools should just look back at history and realize that Prohibition doesn't work, the more you try and stop it, the more it's going to go on.
F--- all that...what a Nazi School. All that leaves you to do is...study. F--- that
(in response to me telling them why we had a curfew:
Part of college is staying out late one night and still getting up and going to class half-asleep the next morning. That's what discipline is about. Staying out late and still getting your stuff done teaches you more discipline than someone holding your hand and telling you exactly what to do.
The rules may be more lenient now than they were when you came here but they're still much more strict than other schools. Some people don't want to live under those rules when they're in college. It's a choice. That's one of the many reasons some of these kids choose secular schools over us.
By LUconn
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There's a lot of things I'd like to say to all that but I'll just put a note after this one:
SuperJon wrote:I live off campus so most of it doesn't apply to me.
It acutally does apply to you. All of the rules. Even on your breaks from school. You would just have to be a complete idiot to get caught breaking these rules, living off campus. That's all.
By 4everfsu
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I am aware there was no internet back then(72), that is what I was trying to convey. The Liberty way has never killed anyone. And for the people at the other schools, I could care less what they think LU. They probably could not hack it at LU. And like I said I will continue to tell you how it was and how easy you students have it today. Don't read my comments if it gets to you. You are the one with that problem not me, so skip anything I write, it will not break my heart.
By SuperJon
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#25349
Yes, I know that. I know they apply to me, but there's pretty much no way of enforcing them. They won't know if I stay out til 2-3 in the morning. They won't know if I have a friend who is a girl in my apartment because her washer hasn't gotten to her new apartment yet and she needs to do laundry. Only people who went to Liberty think all of the rules are appropriate. Most people think 90% of them are flat out stupid. Like I've said, I don't care what the rules are. I've adapted to them, I know how to get around them, and they don't bother me. However, the topic at hand is why we can't get some of the kids like the kid at State, and I firmly believe it's because of the Liberty Way.
By SuperJon
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#25350
4everfsu wrote:They probably could not hack it at LU.
Are you kidding me? Anyone can hack it at a school where Jerry tucks them into bed at 12 every night and tells them exactly what to do. If they can't then they obviously didn't try.

Edited after reading the post below this: Anyone who even tried to hack it back in the 70's have a willpower that I can't even comprehend. My statement was talking about today's LU.
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By LUconn
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#25351
Actually I agree. It's just not a good reason to abolish it.


edit: agree to your statement 2 comments ago. I definatly couldn't have hacked it at FSU's Liberty. I still can't figure out why any of you guys even went there. But thanks for taking it for the team.
By SuperJon
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#25352
I think some of the rules are ok. The guys in girls dorms is perfectly fine with me. No drinking or smoking is a perfectly good rule. The one that most people have a problem with (especially athletes) is the curfew and the dress code. The only thing I would change with that is take curfew away and allow nice shorts of an appropriate length to class. Keep the collared shirt but allow shorts.
By 4everfsu
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#25353
SJ I doubt they could hack it at LU even if they were tucked in at midnight by Jerry. Good to know you are hacking it, sleep tight

Editted after seeing what SJ edited above
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By SuperJon
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Believe me, they could "hack" it. They'd have reps but they could hack it. It's much harder at a school where you're on your own when it comes to staying out late and getting work done. It's much harder when there are options for things to do at night that allow you to stay out later.

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