[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Been keeping up a bit with all your thoughts...Just wanted to give some perspective from the other side too (nothing to specific, just in general).

Been noticing a lot of talk about Garland. KJ is actually probably one of the nicest people on UNCA's team. Good person, and absolutely one of the hardest working guys (Smithson, Garland, and John Williams are the three guys that are always in the weight room and/or always shooting around in one of the gym's @ athletic facility). KJ does jaw a little bit and is a very emotional player, I can't argue with that. There were several times last year when he received hard fouls and reacted by getting up in an opponents face -- smithson can get emotional too. Part of that is natural reaction but seeing those guys play everyday (and yes I'm biased) both are great guys that play the game hard and play the right way.

As for Smithson player of the year. Not sure I'm knowledgeable enough about basketball to make a good argument either way. I think he might be the most athletic and talented player in the league. He 'won' the UNCA dunk contest last year -- which is quite remarkable for a guy that's not much taller then 6'. He's probably the fastest player in the league and his play against UNC-CH the last two years has been dazzling. He's also getting some interest from NBA-scouts. Is he the best and most polished player in the league? I don't know. He's arguably the most exciting, for sure the most athletic, and his athleticism makes him almost impossible to just 'shut-out'.

As for Kenny George -- from my perspective I'm just happy the kid is on the floor. Gone through a lot the last few years (injuries etc.) and he also has to deal with a lot off the floor because of his size. Its not easy being pointed and laughed at everywhere you go but he's a good guy and despite his shyness deals with it well. Its good to see him starting to develop as a player and have some success on the court.

LU team looks good... Going to be an interesting year in the Big South... I don't really know that you can pick a favorite at this point -- gonna be a tough road for whoever wins it.

I understand emotional, thats fine, and when you get fouled hard i have no problem being mad about it... The problem was he was jawing ALL game and was playing dirty ALL game. Now just like SJ said he might be a great guy I dont know him, and i never questioned how hard he works. His Style of play is dirty (from what I saw) and I think hes a punk for it.

Secondly, Smithson does get emotional and i saw that a little yesterday, but there is a line in being emotional and a jerk. After the game smithson came out to do the radio show and walked right in front of us and I told him good game and he looked up at us and was just in shock and said, "Thanks guys, I appreciate that". So i thought he was a nice guy.

And Yes its nice to see Kenny on the floor and I realize that he gets laughed at most places... Maybe thats why the referees let him get away with cheating. Maybe thats why they let him use his knee to push our guys out of the post. Maybe thats why when he posts our guys up we get called for a foul. Maybe thats why he can hook our guys and get away with it. Maybe thats why he can camp in the paint for an hour and never get called. Maybe thats why he can goaltend and get away with it. Maybe thats why he can come over our guys backs EVERY SINGLE play down the floor... I guess they just feel sorry for him and I guess thats why they let KJ push BJ out of bounds and not call it, because he plays with this guy and they give them charity I dont know...

[kel varson]

The stuff I said about Garland I based simply on last night. He could be the nicest person in the world, but I don't know him so I can't say that. I'm glad that, according to you, he's a good kid.

As for Kenny George, I think Coach McKay said it best. He said that Kenny George is an easy kid to pull for because of everything he has to go through. It's obvious that the students at Asheville love him. I'd love to meet him just to talk to him. He's a very unique person and his experiences are something I couldn't even begin to imagine. I wish nothing but the best for the kid. Granted, I don't like how he got to camp out in the lane last night but hey, if the refs aren't calling it, he better do it.

You said you've read a lot, so hopefully you've read where I've said multiple times that the 40 minutes on the floor are a time when all bets are off and things are no holds barred (two cliche's in one sentence, I'm awesome). Before and after the games is completely different than in the game. Last night after the game, I made sure to catch the eye of some of the Asheville students and pointed at them and clapped telling them they did a good job. They were loud and were a good student section. I've got no reason to talk crap even if we would've won. Some of the Asheville students were trying to taunt us by waving by and when I did the good job clap it shocked them like they didn't know how to respond. I try to give credit when it's due. If any of your guys come up here for the game we'll talk crap during the game and invite em out to eat afterwards. That's just how we do things here.

Nicely put SJ.

[uncafan]

Been keeping up a bit with all your thoughts...Just wanted to give some perspective from the other side too (nothing to specific, just in general).

Been noticing a lot of talk about Garland. KJ is actually probably one of the nicest people on UNCA's team. Good person, and absolutely one of the hardest working guys (Smithson, Garland, and John Williams are the three guys that are always in the weight room and/or always shooting around in one of the gym's @ athletic facility). KJ does jaw a little bit and is a very emotional player, I can't argue with that. There were several times last year when he received hard fouls and reacted by getting up in an opponents face -- smithson can get emotional too. Part of that is natural reaction but seeing those guys play everyday (and yes I'm biased) both are great guys that play the game hard and play the right way.

As for Smithson player of the year. Not sure I'm knowledgeable enough about basketball to make a good argument either way. I think he might be the most athletic and talented player in the league. He 'won' the UNCA dunk contest last year -- which is quite remarkable for a guy that's not much taller then 6'. He's probably the fastest player in the league and his play against UNC-CH the last two years has been dazzling. He's also getting some interest from NBA-scouts. Is he the best and most polished player in the league? I don't know. He's arguably the most exciting, for sure the most athletic, and his athleticism makes him almost impossible to just 'shut-out'.

As for Kenny George -- from my perspective I'm just happy the kid is on the floor. Gone through a lot the last few years (injuries etc.) and he also has to deal with a lot off the floor because of his size. Its not easy being pointed and laughed at everywhere you go but he's a good guy and despite his shyness deals with it well. Its good to see him starting to develop as a player and have some success on the court.

LU team looks good... Going to be an interesting year in the Big South... I don't really know that you can pick a favorite at this point -- gonna be a tough road for whoever wins it.

I understand emotional, thats fine, and when you get fouled hard i have no problem being mad about it... The problem was he was jawing ALL game and was playing dirty ALL game. Now just like SJ said he might be a great guy I dont know him, and i never questioned how hard he works. His Style of play is dirty (from what I saw) and I think hes a punk for it.

Secondly, Smithson does get emotional and i saw that a little yesterday, but there is a line in being emotional and a jerk. After the game smithson came out to do the radio show and walked right in front of us and I told him good game and he looked up at us and was just in shock and said, "Thanks guys, I appreciate that". So i thought he was a nice guy.

And Yes its nice to see Kenny on the floor and I realize that he gets laughed at most places... Maybe thats why the referees let him get away with cheating. Maybe thats why they let him use his knee to push our guys out of the post. Maybe thats why when he posts our guys up we get called for a foul. Maybe thats why he can hook our guys and get away with it. Maybe thats why he can camp in the paint for an hour and never get called. Maybe thats why he can goaltend and get away with it. Maybe thats why he can come over our guys backs EVERY SINGLE play down the floor... I guess they just feel sorry for him and I guess thats why they let KJ push BJ out of bounds and not call it, because he plays with this guy and they give them charity I dont know...

Smithson is a great guy... Good player too. I guess I'd ask what KJ was doing? I missed most of the game so -- again a lot depends on perspective...

You gotta remember its not exactly like these officials are used to seeing a guy like Kenny out there. Remember when Shaq first came into the league -- sure shaq gets ABUSED now with no fouls called, but it wasn't always that way. Agreed he does camp in the lane -- but I would argue every center does in the BSC u just don't notice because they are all 6'10 not 7'8". Kenny may be more guilty because he is less mobile and does have a tendency to sit down there. But how often does this get called at any level? As for goaltending--just because a shot isn't blocked right out of hand doesn't make it a goal tend. Again, you're not used to seeing a shot get blocked 6 or 7 feet out of a guys hand, does that make it a goal tend? No. Not sure if there was a specific play your speaking about. But its not just BSC refs--they played a certain ACC school last week and besides actually being IN the game I can guarantee they didn't get one single call at chapel hill. No offense but Liberty isn't chapel hill, asheville is a pretty good basketball squad.

I've been a bit intrigued by the idea that he goes over backs a lot. I have heard it said before--and usually the people claiming he goes over the back just don't understand what that foul means. Not sure if you do.

The guy is significantly taller and has more reach. If a guy is 5'10 and has inside position on a guy 6'10 and the taller guy reachs up and grabs the rebound over him is that going over the back? No. Now, if that 6'10 guy is pushing or not "reaching up" to get that ball then you have a foul.

I appreciate your passion but you post reads more like a rant than a reasoned argument based on fact. Regardless I don't wan to sit here an nit-pick about fouls or advantages I guess I responded to your comments but mostly I just wanted to respond to some of the character issues. etc. and see what exactly happened when I wasn't there.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

OH LOOK... Im sorry I take all that back... Alex was obviously fouling him... Im sorry, Foul Alex McLean, Lets get it together ACE!

No really, They called him for fouls when he did that...


... Yeah I know...

[uncafan]

The stuff I said about Garland I based simply on last night. He could be the nicest person in the world, but I don't know him so I can't say that. I'm glad that, according to you, he's a good kid.

As for Kenny George, I think Coach McKay said it best. He said that Kenny George is an easy kid to pull for because of everything he has to go through. It's obvious that the students at Asheville love him. I'd love to meet him just to talk to him. He's a very unique person and his experiences are something I couldn't even begin to imagine. I wish nothing but the best for the kid. Granted, I don't like how he got to camp out in the lane last night but hey, if the refs aren't calling it, he better do it.

You said you've read a lot, so hopefully you've read where I've said multiple times that the 40 minutes on the floor are a time when all bets are off and things are no holds barred (two cliche's in one sentence, I'm awesome). Before and after the games is completely different than in the game. Last night after the game, I made sure to catch the eye of some of the Asheville students and pointed at them and clapped telling them they did a good job. They were loud and were a good student section. I've got no reason to talk crap even if we would've won. Some of the Asheville students were trying to taunt us by waving by and when I did the good job clap it shocked them like they didn't know how to respond. I try to give credit when it's due. If any of your guys come up here for the game we'll talk crap during the game and invite em out to eat afterwards. That's just how we do things here.

Yeah, as i mentioned above he does camp out

haha, yeah, cliche's are always welcome. You gotta remember Asheville students are, well, no comment. As a graduate I shouldn't be trashing my own but at the same time -- its a differend breed. Hope they treated you decently...not the classiest bunch but they don't mean much harm, usually. Except maybe the baseball team.

[SuperJon]

Smithson is a great guy... Good player too. I guess I'd ask what KJ was doing? I missed most of the game so -- again a lot depends on perspective...

There were a couple different occurrences. The first was in the first half. Asheville was on a break away. He made the first pass behind his back from around mid-court, which led to another showy pass before we fouled the shooter. During this whole thing, KJ was posing and running his mouth.

Another instance occurred when him and BJ Jenkins were going for a loose ball running from the goal near the entrance to the Liberty bench. They were both pushing a little for position but right before the ball went out of bounds KJ gave BJ a blatant push which threw him into the Liberty bench and he almost busted his head on the wall because there's all of three feet from the out of bounds line to the wall.

As for goaltending--just because a shot isn't blocked right out of hand doesn't make it a goal tend. Again, you're not used to seeing a shot get blocked 6 or 7 feet out of a guys hand, does that make it a goal tend? No. Not sure if there was a specific play your speaking about.

No one's talking about defensive goal tending. Our problem is with the offensive goal tending. The Asheville guards will throw the ball up to the goal in an angle that's a shot and, as the ball is coming down, Kenny George just grabs it and puts it in the basket. Sometimes it's obvious it's a pass by the trajectory, but there are times when the ball is almost all of the way over the cylinder and he grabs is and puts it in.

I've been a bit intrigued by the idea that he goes over backs a lot. I have heard it said before--and usually the people claiming he goes over the back just don't understand what that foul means. Not sure if you do.

The guy is significantly taller and has more reach. If a guy is 5'10 and has inside position on a guy 6'10 and the taller guy reachs up and grabs the rebound over him is that going over the back? No. Now, if that 6'10 guy is pushing or not "reaching up" to get that ball then you have a foul.

That's my understanding of the rule as well.

[Fumblerooskies]

So the baseball team is still one of the ring leaders. I can see that as Willie (Stewart...the UNCA coach) was one of the ring leaders of the original Dog Pound when he was a player there.

[SuperJon]

haha, yeah, cliche's are always welcome. You gotta remember Asheville students are, well, no comment. As a graduate I shouldn't be trashing my own but at the same time -- its a differend breed. Hope they treated you decently...not the classiest bunch but they don't mean much harm, usually. Except maybe the baseball team.

Didn't really have any interaction with them. We asked one kid where the gym was and he told us. Some of the Asheville kids were trying to taunt us during the game but quite frankly, they weren't very good at it so it didn't bother me. After the game we always stick around and wait for Coach McKay to come out and we do our Ritchie chant before we leave so everyone was gone by the time we left.

[uncafan]

Smithson is a great guy... Good player too. I guess I'd ask what KJ was doing? I missed most of the game so -- again a lot depends on perspective...

There were a couple different occurrences. The first was in the first half. Asheville was on a break away. He made the first pass behind his back from around mid-court, which led to another showy pass before we fouled the shooter. During this whole thing, KJ was posing and running his mouth.

Another instance occurred when him and BJ Jenkins were going for a loose ball running from the goal near the entrance to the Liberty bench. They were both pushing a little for position but right before the ball went out of bounds KJ gave BJ a blatant push which threw him into the Liberty bench and he almost busted his head on the wall because there's all of three feet from the out of bounds line to the wall.

The first sounds like KJ...from what i've seen. The latter seems out of character, no exuse if it happened though. And yes, i'm surprised no one has gotten hurt in that gym before.

As for goaltending--just because a shot isn't blocked right out of hand doesn't make it a goal tend. Again, you're not used to seeing a shot get blocked 6 or 7 feet out of a guys hand, does that make it a goal tend? No. Not sure if there was a specific play your speaking about.

No one's talking about defensive goal tending. Our problem is with the offensive goal tending. The Asheville guards will throw the ball up to the goal in an angle that's a shot and, as the ball is coming down, Kenny George just grabs it and puts it in the basket. Sometimes it's obvious it's a pass by the trajectory, but there are times when the ball is almost all of the way over the cylinder and he grabs is and puts it in.

Ahhh, my bad. Yeah, I mean -- that tough. Again depends on perspective I think But I see your point. Not sure your ever going to get that called consistently -- just so hard because passes to him are, well, about the same height as a shot But, I see your point there.

[SuperJon]

It's all a judgment call by the ref on the baseline. There are just some things that need to be done because of his height. I have no problem with high entry passes to take advantage of his height. However, just like an alley-oop, if the ball is above the cylinder, whether it be a pass or a shot, it needs to be goal tending.

The Garland/Jenkins play happened right in front of me and you could see BJ pick up a little extra speed right at the end of the play.

[SuperJon]

So the baseball team is still one of the ring leaders. I can see that as Willie (Stewart...the UNCA coach) was one of the ring leaders of the original Dog Pound when he was a player there.

One of the baseball players was doing some, uh, effeminate dance during one of the timeouts. I think his girlfriend was on the dance team or something though. However, the dance fit the stereotype of Asheville students.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Been keeping up a bit with all your thoughts...Just wanted to give some perspective from the other side too (nothing to specific, just in general).

Been noticing a lot of talk about Garland. KJ is actually probably one of the nicest people on UNCA's team. Good person, and absolutely one of the hardest working guys (Smithson, Garland, and John Williams are the three guys that are always in the weight room and/or always shooting around in one of the gym's @ athletic facility). KJ does jaw a little bit and is a very emotional player, I can't argue with that. There were several times last year when he received hard fouls and reacted by getting up in an opponents face -- smithson can get emotional too. Part of that is natural reaction but seeing those guys play everyday (and yes I'm biased) both are great guys that play the game hard and play the right way.

As for Smithson player of the year. Not sure I'm knowledgeable enough about basketball to make a good argument either way. I think he might be the most athletic and talented player in the league. He 'won' the UNCA dunk contest last year -- which is quite remarkable for a guy that's not much taller then 6'. He's probably the fastest player in the league and his play against UNC-CH the last two years has been dazzling. He's also getting some interest from NBA-scouts. Is he the best and most polished player in the league? I don't know. He's arguably the most exciting, for sure the most athletic, and his athleticism makes him almost impossible to just 'shut-out'.

As for Kenny George -- from my perspective I'm just happy the kid is on the floor. Gone through a lot the last few years (injuries etc.) and he also has to deal with a lot off the floor because of his size. Its not easy being pointed and laughed at everywhere you go but he's a good guy and despite his shyness deals with it well. Its good to see him starting to develop as a player and have some success on the court.

LU team looks good... Going to be an interesting year in the Big South... I don't really know that you can pick a favorite at this point -- gonna be a tough road for whoever wins it.

I understand emotional, thats fine, and when you get fouled hard i have no problem being mad about it... The problem was he was jawing ALL game and was playing dirty ALL game. Now just like SJ said he might be a great guy I dont know him, and i never questioned how hard he works. His Style of play is dirty (from what I saw) and I think hes a punk for it.

Secondly, Smithson does get emotional and i saw that a little yesterday, but there is a line in being emotional and a jerk. After the game smithson came out to do the radio show and walked right in front of us and I told him good game and he looked up at us and was just in shock and said, "Thanks guys, I appreciate that". So i thought he was a nice guy.

And Yes its nice to see Kenny on the floor and I realize that he gets laughed at most places... Maybe thats why the referees let him get away with cheating. Maybe thats why they let him use his knee to push our guys out of the post. Maybe thats why when he posts our guys up we get called for a foul. Maybe thats why he can hook our guys and get away with it. Maybe thats why he can camp in the paint for an hour and never get called. Maybe thats why he can goaltend and get away with it. Maybe thats why he can come over our guys backs EVERY SINGLE play down the floor... I guess they just feel sorry for him and I guess thats why they let KJ push BJ out of bounds and not call it, because he plays with this guy and they give them charity I dont know...

Smithson is a great guy... Good player too. I guess I'd ask what KJ was doing? I missed most of the game so -- again a lot depends on perspective...

You gotta remember its not exactly like these officials are used to seeing a guy like Kenny out there. Remember when Shaq first came into the league -- sure shaq gets ABUSED now with no fouls called, but it wasn't always that way. Agreed he does camp in the lane -- but I would argue every center does in the BSC u just don't notice because they are all 6'10 not 7'8". Kenny may be more guilty because he is less mobile and does have a tendency to sit down there. But how often does this get called at any level? As for goaltending--just because a shot isn't blocked right out of hand doesn't make it a goal tend. Again, you're not used to seeing a shot get blocked 6 or 7 feet out of a guys hand, does that make it a goal tend? No. Not sure if there was a specific play your speaking about. But its not just BSC refs--they played a certain ACC school last week and besides actually being IN the game I can guarantee they didn't get one single call at chapel hill. No offense but Liberty isn't chapel hill, asheville is a pretty good basketball squad.

I've been a bit intrigued by the idea that he goes over backs a lot. I have heard it said before--and usually the people claiming he goes over the back just don't understand what that foul means. Not sure if you do.

The guy is significantly taller and has more reach. If a guy is 5'10 and has inside position on a guy 6'10 and the taller guy reachs up and grabs the rebound over him is that going over the back? No. Now, if that 6'10 guy is pushing or not "reaching up" to get that ball then you have a foul.

I appreciate your passion but you post reads more like a rant than a reasoned argument based on fact. Regardless I don't wan to sit here an nit-pick about fouls or advantages I guess I responded to your comments but mostly I just wanted to respond to some of the character issues. etc. and see what exactly happened when I wasn't there.

Well First, About KJ, i saw the whole game and he pushed BJ right in front of me....

And Yes I know that its hard to call a game on a guy thats 7'7". However, He is THE ONLY thing in the Big South that you have to plan for so these officials should be able to get together and talk what is legal and whats not for this conference.

Now Goaltending, Im not talking any of our shots were goaltended... Im saying that when you throw the ball to him and its over the cylinder and he grabs it to put it in, That my friend is a goaltend. Its not one particular play, its every play he scored on pretty much. Hey, If he can block a shot 7 feet after it leaves a guys hand and its still on it way up, good for him, I would hope that he would. Thats good thinking.

Now for over the back, Over the back is called when you... Come over someones back. haha jk... Over the back is when you come over a player to gain an unfair advantage. When Alex, Or Kyle, Or Smitty, or anyone else attempted anything near the basket for him to be able to bend over their back because he is tall is crazy! Let me think of how to explain this... Kenny is a tough guy to box out, but when you get position on him and you jump to get the rebound and he leans over your shoulders (which are now in the air) and takes the ball or hits the ball... That is over the back... thats a bad illustration but i cant explain it easily. basically when a guy has position on him and he hits them in the back comes over their shoulders (when the ball is in their hands) or uses his big frame to move them under that basket... thats over the back. Its the same thing when you guys get the ball on the baseline and lob it in to him while he stands in front of the basket. If alex has position and he is using a leagal post move to keep kenny from the basket (a low, almost boxout technique) and Your player can not throw it RIGHT to Georges hands and he has to reach Over Alex to get it, That is over the back. If your player cant throw it right to his hands and he doesnt have to go anywhere for it, which would have to be pretty easy considering what your working with, Thats fine because he is so big, use that to your advantage, but when he is moving players by getting them in their back or leaning over their back, thats over the back for someone his size. Most of the pushing with the knee you wouldnt call over the back, Im just grouping it all together to make this post shorter, but its still an offensive foul.

Now for 3 seconds. People get called for 3 seoncds all the time, I dont know what youre talking about. But hey, even if they didnt, ITS STILL THE RULE FOR BASKETBALL so it shouldnt be allowed. Im a little angry with this more than anything else i think... Its a basic rule that he doesnt get called on and i just dont understand it... We are talking about a guy who can probably put one foot on one side of the paint and another on the other side of the paint and never been in the lane at all. If he was moving and stepping out like everyone else does and he still gets his buckets then ok, good for him. I think someone that is 8 feet tall would be PRETTY EASY to see and notice where they are at at all times, but hey, I might be wrong.

My reasons arent just a rant they do have logic behind them...

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

The stuff I said about Garland I based simply on last night. He could be the nicest person in the world, but I don't know him so I can't say that. I'm glad that, according to you, he's a good kid.

As for Kenny George, I think Coach McKay said it best. He said that Kenny George is an easy kid to pull for because of everything he has to go through. It's obvious that the students at Asheville love him. I'd love to meet him just to talk to him. He's a very unique person and his experiences are something I couldn't even begin to imagine. I wish nothing but the best for the kid. Granted, I don't like how he got to camp out in the lane last night but hey, if the refs aren't calling it, he better do it.

You said you've read a lot, so hopefully you've read where I've said multiple times that the 40 minutes on the floor are a time when all bets are off and things are no holds barred (two cliche's in one sentence, I'm awesome). Before and after the games is completely different than in the game. Last night after the game, I made sure to catch the eye of some of the Asheville students and pointed at them and clapped telling them they did a good job. They were loud and were a good student section. I've got no reason to talk crap even if we would've won. Some of the Asheville students were trying to taunt us by waving by and when I did the good job clap it shocked them like they didn't know how to respond. I try to give credit when it's due. If any of your guys come up here for the game we'll talk crap during the game and invite em out to eat afterwards. That's just how we do things here.

Yeah, as i mentioned above he does camp out

haha, yeah, cliche's are always welcome. You gotta remember Asheville students are, well, no comment. As a graduate I shouldn't be trashing my own but at the same time -- its a differend breed. Hope they treated you decently...not the classiest bunch but they don't mean much harm, usually. Except maybe the baseball team.

I will say that your fans did their job... and they were loud in there. They werent too bad (when you compare them to VMI and Tech and Winthrop) haha It was a good time, they didnt seem like terrible people. Like Jon said, they tried tp taunt, but we told them good job, and that was that. Good people though, nothing bad at all.

[Cider Jim]

Just a question for Super & company who usually stand on the front center row of the Vines...

Coach McKay was upset by what he described as "taunting" by the UNCA fans toward the Liberty players; by McKay's definition (whatever that is) of taunting, would you (Super, et al) describe/characterize your cheers at home games as "taunting" or just good natured fun?

(I always sit too far away to hear you, so I'm asking the question sincerely).

Also, for those of you at the game, what did the UNCA fans do or say during the game that would be considered "taunting"?

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Just a question for Super & company who usually stand on the front center row of the Vines...

Coach McKay was upset by what he described as "taunting" by the UNCA fans toward the Liberty players; by McKay's definition (whatever that is) of taunting, would you (Super, et al) describe/characterize your cheers at home games as "taunting" or just good natured fun?

(I always sit too far away to hear you, so I'm asking the question sincerely).

Also, for those of you at the game, what did the UNCA fans do or say during the game that would be considered "taunting"?

(This is SuperJon, just don't feel like signing out of TBGBG's name)

I think you're misunderstanding what Coach McKay said. My understanding was that he was upset about the taunting from the Asheville players, not fans. Coach McKay doesn't mind taunting from the fans if it's clean. Remember out in California those guys that heckled the crap out of us the first game? Coach McKay told them they did a good job after that game. The thing I think he was upsets at is the taunting and show boating from the Asheville players.

[ToTheLeft]

I did not hear them say anything beyond what we would say. But it was tough to hear them. They had obviously done their research, however.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

They didn't do research. They didn't even know the players' names until halftime. The worst thing I heard the fans doing is calling BJ Mickey Mouse.

[ToTheLeft]

They didn't do research. They didn't even know the players' names until halftime. The worst thing I heard the fans doing is calling BJ Mickey Mouse.

Like I said, I couldn't hear them well. Didn't really care, either.

It just sounded like they were informed.

[Fumblerooskies]

Asheville fans CAN be creative. Back when I was there we were playing Winthrop and one of the WU players collided with another player and had a concussion and was down of the court. As I went out to see if their Athletic Trainer needed any help, our baseball team started with...
"ONE...TWO...THREE....FOUR "(counting him out like a boxing ref). It was quite humorous (if you were there).

[SuperJon]

I heard a story one time about what Asheville's kids did. Apparently during RD's interim year the Asheville students started chanting, "You got Jeff fired clap clap clap." That's just downright funny. That ranks up with Winthrop's students chanting, "Transfer Reggie" during Reggie's freshman year at VMI.

[grm]

It was a pretty good road effort - and leaves us feeling optimistic about the return date, and our ability to compete in the BS this year. I don't see the season as an easy road, but this loss is more encouraging than discouraging.

Good Job.

[TDDance234]

The stuff I said about Garland I based simply on last night. He could be the nicest person in the world, but I don't know him so I can't say that. I'm glad that, according to you, he's a good kid.

As for Kenny George, I think Coach McKay said it best. He said that Kenny George is an easy kid to pull for because of everything he has to go through. It's obvious that the students at Asheville love him. I'd love to meet him just to talk to him. He's a very unique person and his experiences are something I couldn't even begin to imagine. I wish nothing but the best for the kid. Granted, I don't like how he got to camp out in the lane last night but hey, if the refs aren't calling it, he better do it.

You said you've read a lot, so hopefully you've read where I've said multiple times that the 40 minutes on the floor are a time when all bets are off and things are no holds barred (two cliche's in one sentence, I'm awesome). Before and after the games is completely different than in the game. Last night after the game, I made sure to catch the eye of some of the Asheville students and pointed at them and clapped telling them they did a good job. They were loud and were a good student section. I've got no reason to talk crap even if we would've won. Some of the Asheville students were trying to taunt us by waving by and when I did the good job clap it shocked them like they didn't know how to respond. I try to give credit when it's due. If any of your guys come up here for the game we'll talk crap during the game and invite em out to eat afterwards. That's just how we do things here.

Very well said. We're there to enjoy the game, not start a fight. Too often people take things too far. Very rarely do the lines get crossed on our side.

[Hold My Own]

I have now heard from 3 or 4 coach's who say that UNCA is the new Radfurd as far as the fans go....I hear they are tough tough tough people

[Fumblerooskies]

Did they still have a pseudo-pep band? They used to play that gosh-awful "Theme from the A-Team" all the time back in the late 09's.

[Hold My Own]

I'm guessing you mean 90's....but you are old so I'll let you make the correction