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#486190
I would like to see a study showing the affects on kids growing up in same sex households and single parent households. I'm sure there would be several parameters, but I don't think we actually know which is better. We do know, studies have shown etc, that growing up in a nucular daily with a mom and dad is by far the best environment for raising children. We don't know what the second best is
By ATrain
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#486191
Purple Haize wrote:I would like to see a study showing the affects on kids growing up in same sex households and single parent households. I'm sure there would be several parameters, but I don't think we actually know which is better. We do know, studies have shown etc, that growing up in a nucular daily with a mom and dad is by far the best environment for raising children. We don't know what the second best is
There isn't a study with a good control group/sample size just b/c, for now, we're limited in number. However the articles linked to provide some empirical evidence suggesting that a two-parent, same-sex household is the second best option.
By ATrain
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#486194
ALUmnus wrote:
ATrain wrote:The reality is, not every kid is going to have a married mom and dad. It would be better for a child to be in a stable household of two moms or two dads who are perfectly capable of raising a happy, healthy child rather than an unstable one of a single parent who has no business having one child (let alone 4, 5, 6, 7 etc...) or stuck in the foster care system for most/all of their childhood.
Yes, there is that reality. And the examples you gave at the end of the quote are all too prevalent. I know, my wife works with these parents/kids every day. But at the same time, you're constructing a straw-man. Look, I know you don't agree, and this is not a personal attack on you, but a legal structure that creates a family out of a same-sex couple is inherently unstable. That does not mean it never "works", I'm not saying that. But you're creating a situation that excludes a mother or a father. That's not good.

Single-parent households and orphans are heart-breaking tragedies. In every case, the causes are evil: abuse, abandonment, neglect, death, drugs, alcoholism, promiscuity, kidnapping, the list goes on and on. So to use that as a comparison to how good a same-sex household is just isn't balanced. No one would say those situations are good. But to say part of the solution is placing a kid in another situation that denies them a mom or dad? That doesn't make sense. However, now, because of the courts, that argument is bigoted.

I find it odd that I have to defend this on a Liberty message board, even though I'm confident it's the majority opinion, not just on this board but across the country. Site whatever poll you want, I don't put much stock in most polls. Now is a time when we really need to think about things deeply, and know what we believe and why we believe it.
And I see the counseling records of parents/kids like the ones your wife works with everyday. Abused, neglected, harmed across every spectrum of their existence (physical, emotional, spiritual, etc...).

You are completely missing my point and also missed Adam's point earlier as well. IF a kid is abandoned by one or more parents, and there are no ABLE and WILLING married heterosexual couples for that child to be raised by, wouldn't it be better that they have two dads or two moms rather than being bounced around the foster care system until they're 18 or placed into a questionable situation? I'm not advocating that we be given first dibs to the adoption system.

And as for stability, my household is very stable, thank you. I know many same-sex couples in loving, committed relationships that are quite stable as well.
#486197
Gay couples can get married now too, but they also will experience the messy side of legally binding contracts that connect two people together as one. I'm curious to see how this effects the divorce statistics of this country. I can also see the family practice attorneys around the country licking their chops at the additional legal fees they are likely to receive as a result of this ruling. Understand I'm not saying that I expect the divorce rate to be hire for gay couples... many marriages will begin though, and at some point many of them will also likely end.

There will be some interesting ripple effects/follow-up cases from this ruling though. For the most part, everyone has been talking about the collision between the rights of religious institutions and Christian business owners and the gay couples. But there are many others being left out... For instance, will the Liberty Godparent home be able to deny gay couples the ability to adopt children from the organization? Are the biological parents of would-be adopted children allowed to discriminate on the basis of family make-up? In other words, can they choose one home situation over another on the basis that one is a heterosexual couple and the other is homosexual?
#486199
ATrain, I appreciate your honesty in admitting that same sex households are probably the second best situation for a child to be raised in. Unfortunately, I believe that the vocal LGBT crowd does not see it that way and will get the courts to side with them. That will create the scenarios that HO brings up, and it won't be very far into the future before that occurs.
By ATrain
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#486202
flamehunter wrote:ATrain, I appreciate your honesty in admitting that same sex households are probably the second best situation for a child to be raised in. Unfortunately, I believe that the vocal LGBT crowd does not see it that way and will get the courts to side with them. That will create the scenarios that HO brings up, and it won't be very far into the future before that occurs.
I admitted it before ALUmnus decided to reply to my post. Ideally, every child is going to be raised by a loving, married, biological mother and father who are able and willing to raise their children responsibly.

I also agree that some of the extreme militant activists in the LGBT community are going to keep pushing until we get to situations HO describes.
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