[jbock13]

You should try listening to Haize. He's a smart man, with wit to boot.

- I'm a fellow resident blowhard and I approve this message

[rogers3]

Impossible?

As an immediate move, yes. It's against NCAA bylaws for a team to move up to FBS without a conference invite thus making it impossible to move up as an FBS independent.

Lack of adherence to NCAA bylaws hasn't stopped the latest teams (GA Sou) from moving up or from limiting the pool (i.e. Mo St) in the Sunbelts selection process.

[olldflame]

I can top that--with my 10,000 post!

Your quantity is great but takes a back seat to my quality!

At the rate you have been going the last few months your post count will be up there in SJ/Sly territory before the end of the year.

[thepostman]

Good point it's completely possible to challenge the NCAA get a bylaw changed and go in as an independent. Lets hang are hat on that. We aren't hated enough as it is. Lets get completely blackballed

[Purple Haize]

I can top that--with my 10,000 post!

Your quantity is great but takes a back seat to my quality!

At the rate you have been going the last few months your post count will be up there in SJ/Sly territory before the end of the year.

You are just jealous I've passed you in both quality AND quantity!

[Purple Haize]

You should try listening to Haize. He's a smart man, with wit to boot.

- I'm a fellow resident blowhard and I approve this message

Hey! Is that a personal attack

[flamesfilmguy]

As a full time member of the dark side, I'll say this: I still think we get passed over. but over time I think the $$$ signs will be harder and harder to overlook and the academic and religious side of LU will be easier for university presidents to overlook. I don't know if it will be in the next 5 years but we'll get there...eventually.

[TH Spangler]

If you find a post where I advocated this as our present course of action, post it. Otherwise read my posts and respond accordingly if you're going to address me. Don't talk junk without reading. It's annoying and it shows your rear.

Going back you will see me give plenty of qualifications to my post. I said that I have no idea if we are being blackballed or not. I went on to say "If we were..." then this would be a course I could see working. If the worst conference in the top tier is proven to be blocking your ability for revenue and exposure and if a rule only exists in one sport and if the disqualifying (and subjective) reason has to do with free speech, political affiliations or religious freedom (see all of these if's?)... THEN a suit may be valid and worthwhile.

Obviously it's a dumb idea to try to ram down a door if there is any reasonable expectation that you still have a shot to get in by playing nice. If however you have a budget over twice ULM and could realistically get your budget to 30+ million... it stands to reason that other reasons are at play here and it's worthwhile to reserve the right to press forward.

There's not much more that annoys me than ignorance disguised as intelligence. Read what's posted and understand it or else don't say a word about it. You can disagree, I would just love to disagree with people who fully understand what I said.

Tally I understood your points and agree 100%. When you compare us to UL-M (see the link jbock13 wasted 3 mins reading) and UNCC a team with no football history, you have to wonder if it's not 2 or 3 members/individuals blocking us, and why.

It's frustrating but the flip side is that people/parents/students/sport fans are starting to see what's going on and it's fueling our growth.

Purple would argue that the grass is blue if you declared it green, and use Boise State as his example ....

[ATrain]

If you find a post where I advocated this as our present course of action, post it. Otherwise read my posts and respond accordingly if you're going to address me. Don't talk junk without reading. It's annoying and it shows your rear.

Going back you will see me give plenty of qualifications to my post. I said that I have no idea if we are being blackballed or not. I went on to say "If we were..." then this would be a course I could see working. If the worst conference in the top tier is proven to be blocking your ability for revenue and exposure and if a rule only exists in one sport and if the disqualifying (and subjective) reason has to do with free speech, political affiliations or religious freedom (see all of these if's?)... THEN a suit may be valid and worthwhile.

Obviously it's a dumb idea to try to ram down a door if there is any reasonable expectation that you still have a shot to get in by playing nice. If however you have a budget over twice ULM and could realistically get your budget to 30+ million... it stands to reason that other reasons are at play here and it's worthwhile to reserve the right to press forward.

There's not much more that annoys me than ignorance disguised as intelligence. Read what's posted and understand it or else don't say a word about it. You can disagree, I would just love to disagree with people who fully understand what I said.

Tally I understood your points and agree 100%. When you compare us to UL-M (see the link jbock13 wasted 3 mins reading) and UNCC a team with no football history, you have to wonder if it's not 2 or 3 members/individuals blocking us, and why.

It's frustrating but the flip side is that people/parents/students/sport fans are starting to see what's going on and it's fueling our growth.

Purple would argue that the grass is blue if you declared it green, and use Boise State as his example .... :I chortle audibly.:

Depends on the location. The grass is red in Eastern Washington

[jimflamesfan]

No one is saying that we should throw a tea party and petition the NCAA for independence (Our name is Liberty, though, haha). People are just saying it's a possible option if we get desperate - We wouldn't pursue that option yet...but if we're still gettimg blackballed 10 years from now...at that point?

We were 1aa independent for a long time and it was hard finding games, and we were basically locked out of the postseason if we didn't go undefeated at that time. The same would happen with FBS independence today, but I'm sure there could be some crazy neutral site scheduling to get 6 home games if this happened.
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Now...as far as what will likely happen...if the Sunbelt offers, we accept. If the Sunbelt doesn't & Coastal/VMI stay put in the Big South, so do we.

If Coastal/VMI bolt to the Southern, we probably join the CAA.

I think that's where we are at.

[Purple Haize]

People WANT Boise St in their conference and it has everything to do with their success on the field. Most of which DIDN'T take place on their blue turf
With a budget of 6-8 million do you think a certain school in Louisiana might object to us because of travel costs? That they opposed JMU for the same reason?
I'm not a fan of the Martyr Complex that certain members of this board fall in to. That type of behavior has no place on the Dark Side. We are stronger than that!

[Purple Haize]

No one is saying that we should throw a tea party and petition the NCAA for independence (Our name is Liberty, though, haha). People are just saying it's a possible option if we get desperate - We wouldn't pursue that option yet...but if we're still gettimg blackballed 10 years from now...at that point?

We were 1aa independent for a long time and it was hard finding games, and we were basically locked out of the postseason if we didn't go undefeated at that time. The same would happen with FBS independence today, but I'm sure there could be some crazy neutral site scheduling to get 6 home games if this happened.
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Now...as far as what will likely happen...if the Sunbelt offers, we accept. If the Sunbelt doesn't & Coastal/VMI stay put in the Big South, so do we.

If Coastal/VMI bolt to the Southern, we probably join the CAA.

I think that's where we are at.

Key word. We should never be desperate.
You made a great point about scheduling.....until the crazy neutral site business

[jimflamesfan]

Although earlier in the thread I guess I did say this, I called it the Nuclear option.

I guess now I'm just thinking it wouldn't happen yet...but it's an option that can be kept on the table.

I guess I'm trying to say I agree with TallyW that this is something that's possible and must be kept on the table...but it's not like we will go and do this tomorrow.

Maybe I just read this thread to much and I really don't know what to say.

[Purple Haize]

Although earlier in the thread I guess I did say this, I called it the Nuclear option.

I guess now I'm just thinking it wouldn't happen yet...but it's an option that can be kept on the table.

I guess I'm trying to say I agree with TallyW that this is something that's possible and must be kept on the table...but it's not like we will go and do this tomorrow.

Maybe I just read this thread to much and I really don't know what to say.

And who wins a nuclear exchange? As Frankie said when he was in Hollywood 'When 2 Tribes go to war, 1 is all that you can score '

[TallyW]

Good point it's completely possible to challenge the NCAA get a bylaw changed and go in as an independent. Lets hang are hat on that. We aren't hated enough as it is. Lets get completely blackballed

If you are going to be sarcastic, learn the difference between 'are' and 'our'.

[Purple Haize]

Good point it's completely possible to challenge the NCAA get a bylaw changed and go in as an independent. Lets hang are hat on that. We aren't hated enough as it is. Lets get completely blackballed

If you are going to be sarcastic, learn the difference between 'are' and 'our'.

Grammar Nazism- The refuge of the message board defeated

[jbock13]

Good point it's completely possible to challenge the NCAA get a bylaw changed and go in as an independent. Lets hang are hat on that. We aren't hated enough as it is. Lets get completely blackballed

If you are going to be sarcastic, learn the difference between 'are' and 'our'.

If you're resulting to that, it probably means you've lost the argument.

[jimflamesfan]

And who wins a nuclear exchange? As Frankie said when he was in Hollywood 'When 2 Tribes go to war, 1 is all that you can score '

Purple Haize, you dissapoint me. Especially being the leader of the darkside...you should know that the whole idea of having the nukes, though, is not to really use them, but to use the threat of using them for leverage.

I.E. Talking to the NCAA, and sayng, look, we're getting passed by teams tha are already non-compliant...this may force us into using our last option if something doesn't change.

In response, the NCAA can grant an exception or even put pressure on the Sunbelt to only accept programs that are compliant with the attendance, scholarship, and Title ix rules.

[adam42381]

So, we've arrived at the point of having Liberty force itself into FBS. This is awesome.

[rogers3]

You should try listening to Haize. He's a smart man, with wit to boot.

- I'm a fellow resident blowhard and I approve this message

There are quite a few "smart men" on here... PH doesn't have a lock on the "resident smart man" on FF. Tally makes a point that the NCAA can be challenged- it can, and without all the wacky results that some of you think can happen. SACS can be challenged and has been (UVa???)- any governing body can and will be challenged, and there is nothing wrong or foolish about that.
I also think that the notion that schools will not plays us if we did challenge is false. If that were the case, there would be quite a few schools that would be blacklisted, one example being Miami. Now, how many win challenges to the NCAA? It doesn't seem to happen often.

[jbock13]

So, we've arrived at the point of having Liberty force itself into FBS. This is awesome.

You knew it would happen eventually

If we sue the NCAA let's please use Staver. That could get very interesting.

[Purple Haize]

And who wins a nuclear exchange? As Frankie said when he was in Hollywood 'When 2 Tribes go to war, 1 is all that you can score '

Purple Haize, you dissapoint me. Especially being the leader of the darkside...you should know that the whole idea of having the nukes, though, is not to really use them, but to use the threat of using them for leverage.
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Tell that to Iran and N Korea. It is getting us to the negotiating table but isn't making relations any better. And once perfected they will be used.
India and Pakistan haven't had better relations because of them and if Pakistan becomes anymore unstable they will be used.
MAD worked because the USSR had a similar value of life as we did.
On a side note imagine if Truman had taken MacArthur's suggestion and nuked the border between N Korea and China. We wouldn't be having all these problems!

[Purple Haize]

So, we've arrived at the point of having Liberty force itself into FBS. This is awesome.

You knew it would happen eventually :I chortle audibly.:

If we sue the NCAA let's please use Staver. That could get very interesting.

Especially if there are a lot of gays and Jews! Here's the interesting thing. Several of the people who say we are being blacklisted because of our perception are the same people calling for us to sue the NCAA. Now THAT will help put us in a positive light We have battled the NCAA and won with regards to praying after a TD. This, however is a whole other level.

There is a big difference in playing Miami, the former National Champions and one of the top merchandise sellers and biggest TV draws and playing LU.

[rogers3]

So, we've arrived at the point of having Liberty force itself into FBS. This is awesome.

You knew it would happen eventually :I chortle audibly.:

If we sue the NCAA let's please use Staver. That could get very interesting.

Especially if there are a lot of gays and Jews! Here's the interesting thing. Several of the people who say we are being blacklisted because of our perception are the same people calling for us to sue the NCAA. Now THAT will help put us in a positive light We have battled the NCAA and won with regards to praying after a TD. This, however is a whole other level.

There is a big difference in playing Miami, the former National Champions and one of the top merchandise sellers and biggest TV draws and playing LU.

Big difference between accepting us as a conference mate and getting us on a schedule. If W&M, a scbool with more prestige and elitist tendencies than any of the Sunbelt teams will play in Lynchburg, I doubt that we'd have a ton of trouble getting lower tier FBS teams to do the same. ULM is as desperate for money as Chuck South, and there are others like them. Proximity might play a part, as well, especially as the cost of travel continues to grow. Not advocating, but at least worth countering the fearmongering.

[Purple Haize]

Good points but it goes back to the 'credibility' issue. If we go undefeated beating up on lower tier FBS schools it won't lead to a bowl invite, which is the main reason to go to FBS in the first place. You are also then paying more opponents to come play at your place and if you don't have Bowl and TV money to compensate it becomes an unsustainable model really quickly