[olldflame]

Just over 1000 in the portal, which puts our 3 at about the average per team. I suspect the total minutes lost would be well below. Spell, Yu and Gibson played a total of 114 minutes this season, almost all of them either in "garbage time" or against non D1 opponents. Mostly the latter.

[olldflame]

Hope I'm wrong, but after doing a bit of research, I'm not very optimistic about Peter and Maughmer's petitions. While there are similarities, the Pavia decision was based on his 2 years of JUCO play being at a non-ncaa institution. That's not the case with D2. I'd say there is no way the NCAA approves it, and if it goes to court it would be a totally new ruling. I'm also pretty sure that Liberty would not be able to assist with legal costs, which could get very pricey and end up for naught. Pavia was already on a pretty lucrative NIL deal at Vandy, so he could afford it.

[ballah09]

Peter played 6 games during the COVID year so if anything he’ll have a better chance getting his petition approved.

[Sly Fox]

To call their petitions long shots goes without saying. But nothing ventured ... nothing gained.

Frankly I have been encouraged that so many are sticking around thus far.

[Humble_Opinion]

Until the NCAA finally decides they need to get ahead of all this crap, challenges and petitions like those that Maughmer and Peter are submitting will continue as people try to find any excuse to gain additional eligibility.

In the meantime, how does HCRM navigate the portal considering the possibility that Peter/Maughmer may win their cases? Were Kai Yu, Gibson and Spell all on scholarships?

The potential for us to be a better/deeper team next year is there. I feel like our concentration in the portal though will need to be in finding lengthy/athletic guards of the 6'4"+ variety.

[jcmanson]

[LU Armchair coach]

Jayvon and Taelon has petitioned the NCAA seems like this has been about a month ago per Jayvon dad.

[olldflame]

Until the NCAA finally decides they need to get ahead of all this crap, challenges and petitions like those that Maughmer and Peter are submitting will continue as people try to find any excuse to gain additional eligibility.

In the meantime, how does HCRM navigate the portal considering the possibility that Peter/Maughmer may win their cases? Were Kai Yu, Gibson and Spell all on scholarships?

The potential for us to be a better/deeper team next year is there. I feel like our concentration in the portal though will need to be in finding lengthy/athletic guards of the 6'4"+ variety.

I'm certainly not going to say we should not pursue tall guards like you described at all, but we in fact do have 2 returning (Decker and Blair) and another (Carter) signed. Colin Porter is going to play 30 plus minutes at PG, (whether some of us like it or not), so you have less than 10 there when he is not in the game (probably Decker) and 40 at the off guard. With all the talented height we will have, I don't see a lot of minutes for a swing type player at SF. Cleveland can play there as long as we have at least one other 3 point threat (like Ihen) on the front line.

All of that is assuming that neither Peter or Maughmer return. If either of them win their case and come back, minutes could actually be pretty hard to come by for a big guard transferring in

[LU Armchair coach]

Looking like Peter has a better chance of getting another year.

[LU Armchair coach]

Until the NCAA finally decides they need to get ahead of all this crap, challenges and petitions like those that Maughmer and Peter are submitting will continue as people try to find any excuse to gain additional eligibility.

In the meantime, how does HCRM navigate the portal considering the possibility that Peter/Maughmer may win their cases? Were Kai Yu, Gibson and Spell all on scholarships?

The potential for us to be a better/deeper team next year is there. I feel like our concentration in the portal though will need to be in finding lengthy/athletic guards of the 6'4"+ variety.

I'm certainly not going to say we should not pursue tall guards like you described at all, but we in fact do have 2 returning (Decker and Blair) and another (Carter) signed. Colin Porter is going to play 30 plus minutes at PG, (whether some of us like it or not), so you have less than 10 there when he is not in the game (probably Decker) and 40 at the off guard. With all the talented height we will have, I don't see a lot of minutes for a swing type player at SF. Cleveland can play there as long as we have at least one other 3 point threat (like Ihen) on the front line.

All of that is assuming that neither Peter or Maughmer return. If either of them win their case and come back, minutes could actually be pretty hard to come by for a big guard transferring in

My uneducated guess as a LU Armchair Coach like all the posters is no incoming freshman will contribute next year.

[olldflame]

Lamar Wilkerson of SHSU in the portal, but also declaring for the NBA draft. Either way, we won't have to deal with the guy who IMHO was the best player in CUSA this year.

[olldflame]

Until the NCAA finally decides they need to get ahead of all this crap, challenges and petitions like those that Maughmer and Peter are submitting will continue as people try to find any excuse to gain additional eligibility.

In the meantime, how does HCRM navigate the portal considering the possibility that Peter/Maughmer may win their cases? Were Kai Yu, Gibson and Spell all on scholarships?

The potential for us to be a better/deeper team next year is there. I feel like our concentration in the portal though will need to be in finding lengthy/athletic guards of the 6'4"+ variety.

I'm certainly not going to say we should not pursue tall guards like you described at all, but we in fact do have 2 returning (Decker and Blair) and another (Carter) signed. Colin Porter is going to play 30 plus minutes at PG, (whether some of us like it or not), so you have less than 10 there when he is not in the game (probably Decker) and 40 at the off guard. With all the talented height we will have, I don't see a lot of minutes for a swing type player at SF. Cleveland can play there as long as we have at least one other 3 point threat (like Ihen) on the front line.

All of that is assuming that neither Peter or Maughmer return. If either of them win their case and come back, minutes could actually be pretty hard to come by for a big guard transferring in

My uneducated guess as a LU Armchair Coach like all the posters is no incoming freshman will contribute next year.

I can certainly see scenarios where one or more would. Ritchie has zero problem pulling the trigger on a FR if they make us better. Both Colin Porter and Joseph Venzant were not just contributors, but starters from day one. I think Carter and Grimes may be more talented than either of them, but so is the roster they need to break into.

[John_6_47]

Are our rookies that talented? That’s encouraging.

[olldflame]

Are our rookies that talented? That’s encouraging.

Zander Carter broke all the scoring records at Paul Blazer, the school Porter attended. He is at least 6'6" now, with a full array of guard skills.

Andrew Grimes is a long, extremely athletic 6'9" F who can step out and shoot 3s. Think 18 year old Ihnen with 2 good knees.

TJ Drain is 6'8", perhaps not quite as skilled as Grimes, but possibly even more athletic.

All are legit 3 star prospects.

How will they adapt to D1 college basketball?
We shall see.

[LU Armchair coach]

Carter played 5 years at Ashland and 1 at another school. Porter played 3 and left a year early. And in a previous post you also stated HCRM didn’t have a problem playing incoming freshman like Porter and Vansant and he did that. What you are not talking about is both was really good defensively. I highly doubt that you will get that with these 3. Just look at the last 3 years of incoming freshman. That should prove what I’m saying to be the case.

[ballah09]

It depends on who Ritchie brings in from the transfer portal and if Peter and Maughmer wins their petition. So of course the freshmen are not going to play over them. IMO, depending on how Carter picks up on the defense, I think he’ll get some mins while the rest redshirt.

As for the petition, Imo the ncaa will allow non-D1 athletes another year eligibility just to avoid lawsuits.

[LU Armchair coach]

Reflecting on this year Decker and Gibson both wasted a year. IMO Carter or the other 2 will do the same thing if they play next year.

[olldflame]

Reflecting on this year Decker and Gibson both wasted a year. IMO Carter or the other 2 will do the same thing if they play next year.

I'm not sure why Ritchie burned Gibson's redshirt. It's not the first time he has done it. DJ Moore was another head scratcher.

As far as Decker is concerned, he participated in 27 games and played 183 minutes. You can call it a wasted year, but we were really thin at guard. Any injury to Metheny or Porter and he needed to be ready to play a huge role.

The other thing that probably was a consideration, especially with Decker, is the growing momentum towards going to 5 full years of eligibility for all athletes, with redshirting going the way of the dinosaur. There is opposition, and they are not there yet, but I think it's inevitable.

[LU Armchair coach]

5th year is coming per HCRM this year 100%. My understanding is Decker was told he wouldn’t play much of a role this year if any and MBB wanted him to redshirt. So I would say wasted. I asked HCRM how do you win in college basketball and he said “get old and stay old”. If my memory is correct most of those minutes was early in the season and then he got a few late. Thats another reason I say next year it will be hard for the incoming freshman to play. I know you will think LU Armchair coach is just talking and that’s fine. A member on current team said Decker told him he wished he would’ve listen.

[olldflame]

5th year is coming per HCRM this year 100%. My understanding is Decker was told he wouldn’t play much of a role this year if any and MBB wanted him to redshirt. So I would say wasted. I asked HCRM how do you win in college basketball and he said “get old and stay old”. If my memory is correct most of those minutes was early in the season and then he got a few late. Thats another reason I say next year it will be hard for the incoming freshman to play. I know you will think LU Armchair coach is just talking and that’s fine. A member on current team said Decker told him he wished he would’ve listen.

If they go to 5 years it will probably be "five in five", so no redshirts except for a possible hardship extension if a player has 2 season ending injuries.

The 'get old and stay old" philosophy is a great way to go at our level. To win at the high major level you need the kind of athletes who are going to be at least 2 or 3 years into their NBA career before they are "old".

[olldflame]

Looks like a pretty similar situation to our guys'. Our win over Charleston on their court was when I knew this was going to be a special season. They were undefeated, and this guy was leading the nation in scoring. We held him to about 10 (on a bunch of shots) and blew them out.

[LU Armchair coach]

Looks like a pretty similar situation to our guys'. Our win over Charleston on their court was when I knew this was going to be a special season. They were undefeated, and this guy was leading the nation in scoring. We held him to about 10 (on a bunch of shots) and blew them out.

I witnessed this in person.

News coming Thursday of this week about what another LU player will do.

Tic Toc

[LU Armchair coach]

5th year is coming per HCRM this year 100%. My understanding is Decker was told he wouldn’t play much of a role this year if any and MBB wanted him to redshirt. So I would say wasted. I asked HCRM how do you win in college basketball and he said “get old and stay old”. If my memory is correct most of those minutes was early in the season and then he got a few late. Thats another reason I say next year it will be hard for the incoming freshman to play. I know you will think LU Armchair coach is just talking and that’s fine. A member on current team said Decker told him he wished he would’ve listen.

If they go to 5 years it will probably be "five in five", so no redshirts except for a possible hardship extension if a player has 2 season ending injuries.

The 'get old and stay old" philosophy is a great way to go at our level. To win at the high major level you need the kind of athletes who are going to be at least 2 or 3 years into their NBA career before they are "old".

I can’t find the post on SMedia but it was like the 80 starters in the sweet 16. 37 was with the same team last year. 34 are transfers and 9 are freshmen with Duke having 3. So I’d say even at High major it’s get old and stay old.

[Ill flame]

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If they go to 5 years it will probably be "five in five", so no redshirts except for a possible hardship extension if a player has 2 season ending injuries.

The 'get old and stay old" philosophy is a great way to go at our level. To win at the high major level you need the kind of athletes who are going to be at least 2 or 3 years into their NBA career before they are "old".

It’s interesting this “get old and stay old” philosophy was brought up. I knew Brad Underwood at Illinois uses it and brings up that philosophy a lot (before abandoning it this season) but didn’t realize HCRM had the same philosophy.

I think it’s been proven by now that having a bunch of one and done level talent on your roster isn’t a reliable way to win in march otherwise Kentucky would’ve had a lot more championships under calipari. Get old and stay old is a philosophy that works at all levels of college basketball.

[olldflame]

5th year is coming per HCRM this year 100%. My understanding is Decker was told he wouldn’t play much of a role this year if any and MBB wanted him to redshirt. So I would say wasted. I asked HCRM how do you win in college basketball and he said “get old and stay old”. If my memory is correct most of those minutes was early in the season and then he got a few late. Thats another reason I say next year it will be hard for the incoming freshman to play. I know you will think LU Armchair coach is just talking and that’s fine. A member on current team said Decker told him he wished he would’ve listen.

If they go to 5 years it will probably be "five in five", so no redshirts except for a possible hardship extension if a player has 2 season ending injuries.

The 'get old and stay old" philosophy is a great way to go at our level. To win at the high major level you need the kind of athletes who are going to be at least 2 or 3 years into their NBA career before they are "old".

I can’t find the post on SMedia but it was like the 80 starters in the sweet 16. 37 was with the same team last year. 34 are transfers and 9 are freshmen with Duke having 3. So I’d say even at High major it’s get old and stay old.

That's 11% of the starters. It would be interesting (and more relevant to this discussion) to know how many FR on those teams were redshirted.

The more I look at this, the more likely it seems that Ritchie's decisions re: Decker and Gibson were based on the assumption that 5 in 5 is coming as soon as this year. Up until late Jan/early Feb that seemed to be the conventional wisdom. Not so much now, but I do believe it will happen.