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By Purple Haize
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TH Spangler wrote: November 13th, 2024, 9:34 pm
Purple Haize wrote: November 13th, 2024, 8:19 pm
thepostman wrote: November 13th, 2024, 5:28 pm I am taking a wait and see with most of these. Eveyrbody deserves that. Everybody but Matt Gaetz. The dude is a sexual creep and has no business filling the role of AG. There are soooo many better choices in Trump's orbit and he picks Matt freaking Gaetz???

Mike Lee or Jeffrey Clark or even Mark Paoletta would've been far better. What an awful pick. The dude is as slimy as they come and it's pretty well known in Florida poltical circles how slimy he is.

Swing and a miss there Donnie.
I’m good with most of the picks. Gaetz is an absolute head scratcher though. Too many other more qualified folks. Too much baggage I don’t care for him at all. It isn’t reasonable to expect that you’ll agree with every pick and 2-3 won’t get confirmed. I’m hoping he’s one of them
. LOVE the Tulsi pick.
Gaetz could be a head fake, to insure Trump's #2 pick passes. But Gaetz just resigned from congress to simplify things.
I’ve seen some talk that this could be the case. Gaetz is gonna get crushed with oppo research. He will have to pull out. Trump can then say he was trying to be loyal to the guy but it didn’t work out. Most GOP house members cannot stand him so they will be happy he is gone. Gaetz goes on to a talking head career, which is what he always wanted and everyone is happy
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By TH Spangler
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Trump might be doing him a favor. So he could resign congress before the ethics report. Was supposed to be released tomorrow, won't now. Lib media would have taked about nothing else for a month. Lets see if Gaetz pulls his name from consideration. Either that, or Trump is signaling justice what could be coming.
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By thepostman
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TH Spangler wrote: November 14th, 2024, 12:07 pm Trump might be doing him a favor. So he could resign congress before the ethics report. Was supposed to be released tomorrow, won't now. Lib media would have taked about nothing else for a month. Lets see if Gaetz pulls his name from consideration. Either that, or Trump is signaling justice what could be coming.
This is very swamp like behavior.
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By TH Spangler
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It sounds like significant changes are coming to the federal government in Washington, D.C. President-elect Donald Trump has announced the creation of a new Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), led by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy. This initiative aims to streamline federal agencies, cut bureaucracy, and reduce wasteful expenditures.

The restructuring is expected to bring about drastic changes, similar to the efficiency drives seen in the private sector 20 years ago. This could potentially impact many federal employees and the overall government agencies.
Went through this in my private sector occupation, aviation, wasn't fun. But, "since passenger deregulation in 1978, airline prices have fallen 44.9 percent in real terms according to the Air Transport Association. Robert Crandall and Jerry Ellig (1997) estimated that when figures are adjusted for changes in quality and amenities, passengers save $19.4 billion dollars per year from airline deregulation."
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By Sly Fox
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Th eprivate sector has been attempting the streamlining of the government for years through the Partnership for Public Service. Cutting down the red tape has its advantages.
By olldflame
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thepostman wrote: November 18th, 2024, 8:34 pm What's this song about? 8)
We know. We just ignore the words and have fun with the song.
Same could be said for "Don't Stop Believin", which has become a fixture at the start of the 4th quarter of every Liberty home football game.
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By TH Spangler
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olldflame wrote: November 18th, 2024, 9:09 pm
thepostman wrote: November 18th, 2024, 8:34 pm What's this song about? 8)
We know. We just ignore the words and have fun with the song.
Same could be said for "Don't Stop Believin", which has become a fixture at the start of the 4th quarter of every Liberty home football game.
Postman can have his song meaning back when he returns our biblical rainbow meaning :lol:
By thepostman
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I didn't write the song. I also didn't steal any rainbows. You all have become pros at ignoring a lot in the name of supporting Trump so it makes sense to add one more thing to that list.
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By Purple Haize
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thepostman wrote: November 19th, 2024, 7:08 am I didn't write the song. I also didn't steal any rainbows. You all have become pros at ignoring a lot in the name of supporting Trump so it makes sense to add one more thing to that list.
Ignoring could also be thought of as accepting the new reality
By thepostman
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I've been debating posting about this on here. I've wanted to go into detail as to why I feel the way I do about Trump but often thought, what's the point? But my brother (who is in a interracial marriage; family of immigrants, which only matters for context) posted something yesterday (some of this post is directly inspired by it) that struck a nerve and so here it is.

Not long ago a man stood on a stage and said one of the reasons we need to reduce immigration is that they are coming here and “poisoning the blood of our country” and then over half the country voted for him, including 81% of professed Christians. He has said and done so many indefensible things and his Christian supporters have stood by him but I think I have found the line where I no longer want to feign normalcy.

I can already hear the rationalizations and gaslighting and I cannot tell you how deeply I do not have patience for any of that.

I have watched his remarks in context many times. He said what he said and what he said was that immigrants are poisoning the American blood and I’ll let you do the math as to why I’m so enra

And I know many will say “he wasn’t talking about your brother's family, he was only talking about the bad immigrants” and I plead with you, STOP. You can not say something so brazenly, abhorrently racist and then create some loophole that it was only intended as racist about the black and brown people it’s ok to demonize. This point has been made ad nauseum as he has infected the cultural conversation with his rhetoric but people still insist it’s perfectly fine to make broadly racist statements if it’s in service of some specific issue.

There are ways to talk about border safety or illegal immigration without spewing something so vile but he has never cared to try and the fact that this disgusting klan talking point is one of the more minor controversies of his most recent campaign says a lot about his impact on our culture. Most of you barely noticed it and some of you are still defending it in your head and I cannot emphasize enough how completely one has to lose the plot to defend on any level something like this.

I don’t think I’m some civil rights hero . All of this has just reminded me that while marriages like my brother's have been legal for a long time now, there are still many who look at him and his wife negatively or align with those who do without a second thought. It might be socially acceptable but that hasn’t stopped multiple Daily Wire hosts from complaining multiple times about there being too many interracial couples in commercials. I guess that’s the sort of thing that bothers personalities from one of the most prominent conservative media organizations in the country. There are so many families where you hear things like “my parents would kill me if I ever dated someone who wasn’t white.” I know this because so many people told my brother just that when he first started dating his wife. Maybe you came from a family like that or just know enough families like that that when someone talks about the importance of keeping our blood pure, it doesn’t bother you. I don’t know. I have no explanation.

Statements like that—and he’s made MANY and emboldened countless others—are an attack on families like my brother's whether one wants to view it that way or not.

We have a president-elect who normalizes hate speech about their existence and so many on here didn’t hesitate and voted for him anyways and I can’t pretend that’s normal or okay. I’m so tired of being mad and exhausted and I really just want to post happy posts about Liberty athletics but even that has become complicated with the school's embracement of Trumpism.

In any other instance, anyone aligning with someone who talks like that would be cut out of my life immediately. I’ve felt the need to be more tolerant because he’s made such things part of a mainstream political party. The nobility of being friends with those we disagree with politically is always stressed to the point that you can vote for someone who talks that way and I’m the unreasonable one for expressing disgust. The truth is, I feel a personal fury over this but he has attacked countless families through both words and actions. I will never delude myself into believing “family values” means hating and crusading against families that aren’t like mine and I’m not really interested in casually associating with those who do.

I’m not saying if you see me in real life and wish to speak to me that I won’t talk to you. Obviously there are people in my life who voted for him and I’m sure there will be many others along the way. And if there’s a present personal relationship, I’ll do my best to wade through my complicated feelings. But I’m not doing it casually for the sake of social media posts.

I’ve seen the shifting demographics for this election. Toxicity and ignorance are clearly contagious and this is not the first time the oppressed have enabled their oppressor. Every adult is culpable for their part but I’ll let those communities sort things out for themselves, their votes do not provide anyone else cover though. Speaking to the community of white Christians I’ve spent my whole life a part of, there is no good reason to support blatant racism no matter how anyone else is voting.

And yes, I know his VP has a mixed race family. The truth is, while JD Vance is a little more strategic in his wording, he has spent the last few years emboldening racists and saying heinous things himself. When their racist supporters predictably directed their attacks at him and his family, he was sheepish and quick to change the subject. His spinelessness and utter failure as a husband and father to defend his family motivates me to do everything I can to live a life that looks nothing like his.

A month or so back after that man held that obnoxious rally at MSG where speakers said racist things all night, Biden made some comment referring to them as garbage—it seems like he was talking about the rhetoric as opposed to the people but let’s just take it at its harshest possible meaning for the sake of this argument.

In a former reality, some may have criticized that remark while also being quick to distance themselves from the open and unmistakable racism spouted through the night at that rally (and to be clear, the comedian was disgusting but I am not just talking about him by a long shot). But as has been the case throughout this man’s entire run, conservative Christians didn’t try to distance themselves from his sins. They reveled in them, celebrated them, rolled around in them and proudly took upon themselves the moniker of “garbage,” acting as though it meant they were being attacked for their faith and not because they were once again co-signing racist…garbage.

I understand the system has failed us. The two party system is broken and life’s problems are not fixed overnight so you want to blame someone. Unfortunately, the cartoon villain stealing all the air in the room has distracted the country from having any grown up conversations for a decade now. I also understand having moral convictions to not vote for this person or that policy or whatever, I just don’t believe there’s any scenario where your only choice is to elect an authoritarian bigot. “That’s not the reason I voted for him” is an excuse with limits that have been far exceeded. I don’t believe I have to pretend the man talking about keeping the blood pure is a legitimate choice.

He is such a terribly blasphemous, immoral, hateful, un-American man by every metric we would have all agreed on not all that long ago. I will never understand how this is worth it to anybody.

The political climate of the past several years and seeing the way Christians have spoken/behaved/voted has changed me. I will not put my head in the sand these next 4 years but I will not obsess or continually mourn over those who have let us down or whatever the latest outrage or insult might be. I will focus on being better for my family and protecting them, teaching, loving and hopefully inspiring them. Loving and celebrating their whole selves just as they are and living to keep all that hope and joy in their hearts, those smiles on their faces and laughter filling this house no matter what’s going on outside.

And so if I have to make the circle of trust much smaller, so

I don’t really want to stick around and guess who voted for who, think about who heard those comments and was unbothered by them or actively supported them or those who heard them and knew they were terrible but voted for him anyway. No judgement for anyone who feels like I do and chooses to approach things differently but it’s all gotten too dystopian for me.

Just some thoughts I've wanted to post for a while. I know i said I'd leave the Trump discussion until post election and I almost made it. I think I've got to step away from spaces like these for a time. I've been part of this community for a long time. But I think it is time.

TL;DR Its been a wild ride. I'm out.
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By jbock13
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The problem is that the first paragraph contains a quotation that is literally taken out of context, then, he shuts down any contextualization of the comment. There's really nothing left to say if you're that closed minded to hearing the truth, rather than a deceitful lie construed by leftists.
By JK37
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Anyone who authors an emotionally motivated, 21-paragraph post about politics on an obscure discussion board - whatever their view - probably should take a break. Because they’re probably about to break.

Wish you well, @thepostman. We’ll probably be here when you come back.

I don’t personally know any folks who take issue with interracial marriage. Not a mainstream position on any side of the political or social spectrum that I’m aware of. So could the people still here help me out on this one: am I missing something? :dontgetit

Is it possible to maintain moral and ethical integrity while casting a vote in a political campaign for a person one doesn’t like? For a mean, hateful narcissist? For a racist bigot?

Where is the line?

I feel very…judged. A little. Maybe?

There’s this lie that our society has bought into for awhile now: to love someone, one must agree with everything they do; and to disagree with anything a person says or does must mean one hates or fears them. But neither one of those is true. I’ve found keeping my emotions out of it keeps me sane and safe.

So I suppose if the emotions are permitted to really run this high - for anyone, on any side of the spectrum - probably a good idea to take a step away.
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By jmclaughlin
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You cant hate the mainstream media enough.

The rich irony of the intolerance of a viewpoint from the justified viewpoint of intolerance.

I am no Trump fan...in fact I am embarrassed for our country that Trump was CLEARLY the better of only 2 options.

Trump is not someone that should be praised as a moral leader. If that is what you think is happening with the voices in this crowd, your reading comprehension is lacking.

The leap to "Interracial marriage" being the issue at hand with Trump, Daily Wire and...those on this board is just idiotic and intellectually vapid. I have not heard anything you are referring to. I cant think of a single person that I know that currently has an issue with interracial marriages. Maybe if YOU see the "races" of the party involved in the relationship...you just might be the racist? "too many 'interracial couples' in commercials" - no idea what you are referring to and I am a consumer of conservative media.

In fact it is a stark contrast to what you say. Identity politics is the product of the MSM on a daily basis. To quote Ben Shapiro, Identity politics incorporates "the soft bigotry of low expectations". The alternative to Trump was the clown who got away with saying, ‘If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black’. Race is a voter block for the alternative party.

"We have a president-elect who normalizes hate speech" - cant seem to hide your ideology eh? Should we normalize conservatives being called Nazis, deplorables, garbage, white-supremacist's, sexists, homophobes, etc, etc? This is the language of the "normalized" talking heads.

Your clear hatred for anyone who could vote for Trump seems to be naïve to what the alternative was. Care to share the moral superiority that existed in other viable candidates...or nah? I guess we, Christians, should be ok with abortion (murder) on demand, castration of minors, destruction of the nuclear family, dissolution of 1st and 2nd amendment rights, open borders, lawlessness, etc?

Then this kicker, "it’s all gotten too dystopian for me." The definition of dystopian can easily be found in San Francisco, Minneapolis, Detroit, Baltimore, New York...or 'insert blue city here'. The very reason Trump was elected is people are tired of the party of dystopian empires.

Your takes seem to be steeped in irony.

Good luck to you and yours.
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By jbock13
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You all do understand this is Postman's brothers' comment, not Postman, right?
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By jmclaughlin
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jbock13 wrote: November 19th, 2024, 6:03 pm You all do understand this is Postman's brothers' comment, not Postman, right?
Some of it

But my brother (who is in a interracial marriage; family of immigrants, which only matters for context) posted something yesterday (some of this post is directly inspired by it) that struck a nerve and so here it is.
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By Purple Haize
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jbock13 wrote: November 19th, 2024, 6:03 pm You all do understand this is Postman's brothers' comment, not Postman, right?
I wasn’t clear where his brothers ended and his began. :
I think he’s incredibly wrong and misguided. I have witnessed the exact opposite of the reactions mentioned in the post. I have seen legal migrants more upset about illegal immigration than most. I’ve seen and read plans to address the illegal immigration issue.
How anyone can be opposed to deporting illegal immigrants who have committed other crimes is beyond me. It’s actually current law. Been that way for awhile. Revamping the Migrant worker program? How is that a bad thing? Telling folks who self deport that they will be in front of the line of those deported but behind those doing it legally? Seems reasonable
Being able to have conversations about who Trump is hiring and what their plans are seems like a reasonable exercise. But I understand those who are too emotionally wrapped up in the process. I still like POSTY Despite the fact he’s turned into a woke pinko commie SOB :D :D :D :D J/K. He said he’s gone anyways so he can’t see it!
By flamehunter
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What an absurd and sad post. Praying that Postman can get his head cleared of the nonsense and deception he's been fed and believed.
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By Cider Jim
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My own Cal-Berkeley educated brother who is a life long Democrat likes to brag that President Trump only received 28% of the vote from registered voters (millions of registered voters chose NOT to vote). My Berkeley brother probably got that stat from CNN or MSNBC, so I don't even know if it is accurate or not.
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