[ProudPapa73]

#2 QB is out. He has looked sharp in all of his chances this year. I'm not so worried about our prospects with him whether relieving his year or starting next. He needs to get healthy fast!
Go Flames!

Right now I'm way to happy about the win to be mad about how we played.

As for the Mike Brown detractors, I guess we will find out next year how badly he has been hurting us.

[No Fear]

Rocco said before the game that Mike Brown was 90% at best passing, and about 60% running (that's what they said on TV, anyway). I wonder how that impacted the way he played, because he certainly did NOT have a good game this week.

There were a lot of people on the field that really seemed out of it, and there were players who certainly came to play. Aldreakis Allen came to play. Pat Kelly came to play. Fogg and Sigmon came to play. Some of the rest seemed to be phoning this one in.

You know... if the boy isn't 100% or hurt, please find someone else that can throw the ball!
Please!
I don't understand why we don't have good backup for our QB, especially when our game plan involves the QB running so much.
It seems logical if your game plan is for the QB to run 75% of the time, you have to realize there is a HUGE chance he is gonna get hit or get hurt, and we would have good backups ready to step in...

[No Fear]

I didn't realize our #2 QB is out/hurt. If so, we are seriously handicapped.
PS: I think MB is a great player, his legs get the young offense out of alot of bad situations.
But, his passing in big games (with good DBs) is killing us.
Seems like with a good RB and good recievers now, we need a true passer, not QB/RB.

[BiggAl57]

Not trying to say everyone else is great. I am trying to give credit where it is due. If you don't see a difference in PC then you missed something.

The difference in this game, as it has been in our losses this year, was Mike Brown. This team cannot reach its maximum potential with such a bad passing QB. Just a decent job of making reads and hitting open receivers would have made this a blowout.

I have been at almost all the games and a couple of consistent things i see is that MB is throwing the ball short on most of his passes to CS. He is not even giving CS a chance at most of the balls. He is also telegraphing his passes and not looking off the DB's and safetys.

[01LUGrad]

Look, Mike frustrates me when he is underthrowing/overthrowing receivers, locking in on one receiver, and generaly making bad decisions out there. That being said, he did, in fact, put the team on his shoulders in the last few minutes of the game and pulled out a win. Sure, it wasn't pretty, but like it or not, Mike Brown is our quarterback and we are going to go as far as he can take us this year. No one else on the roster really even comes close.

[BiggAl57]

What was the attendance?

a little over 11,000. the wind was brutal and coming from the NW. it blew hard all game

[Dr. Sheh]

Not that it will change many opinions, but Presby did lose to Wofford by 7. Wofford is having a good year so far at 6-2 while beating Appalachian State. So yeah, while we have the talent to destroy them, Presby has shown they could go toe to toe with a top 10 team. Obviously a performance like this against Stony Brook could result in a lopsided loss, but we have a virtual bye week against VMI and then an actual bye week before our showdown. No matter what conference you're in, it's tough to blowout all the teams. I think we'll be ready for Stony.

[jimflamesfan]

I think we need Mike Brown. The biggest thing that he does is help our ground game to work...he can give the ball to Allen and fake rolling out.

He looked like he was playing hurt from what I saw on TV.

So my question is...how should Liberty treat the VMI game?

I'm with the posters that say...GAME PLAN FOR STONEY BROOK and treat VMI like a scrimmage for two straight weeks.

I'd also say...rest everyone who is hurt against VMI...don't even play them. Play the 3rd String QB against VMI and play Holloway and Davis at the running back the whole game if needed so that Mike Brown and AA are healthy for Stoney Brook.

Just my opinion. Even if they did that and somehow lost to VMI...I think then they'd have a better mindset that rolling over VMI and being overconfident. Plus I think LU can still beat VMI resting some of their players.

[Purple Haize]

BJ was wearing his spirit gloves, another male Flame Fan wore panty hose (for warmth)...any other "keeping warm" strategies you have to share?

I had on 2 sweatshirts (one a hoodie), a ski cap, a leather jacket, 2 pairs of gloves, ear muffs, and I was still freezing in the upper deck. Should have stowed away some hot cider!

88 degrees here in La Romana. I took a dip at halftime to cool off.

I have a person who I went to college with who is a missionary ther!

[Purple Haize]

Look, Mike frustrates me when he is underthrowing/overthrowing receivers, locking in on one receiver, and generaly making bad decisions out there. That being said, he did, in fact, put the team on his shoulders in the last few minutes of the game and pulled out a win. Sure, it wasn't pretty, but like it or not, Mike Brown is our quarterback and we are going to go as far as he can take us this year. No one else on the roster really even comes close.

I disagree. MB took the the ball out of his own hands and let his team win the game. He did not take over, he let go, which is much better

[bradyfan]

The last 2 years have absolutely zilch to do with this season.

If he's BSC offensive POY this year then this is the worst conference in FCS. He's a turnover machine and his accuracy has been awful most of the season. Racking up big numbers against teams that we beat by 40 means nothing. Playing big in the biggest games does. He's been terrible in big games this year.

The weak point of the team right now is QB.

LOL!!!!!! He will once again be POY in the BSC unless he/we have a major meltdown at SBU. That may not be saying much, but it is what it is. Maybe you can help us out and suggest a player on our roster that you would play in his place. Surely if he is so bad, there should be a replacement available that would do a better job, don't ya think?

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I had to comment on this. You're insane if you watched MB today and actually thought he looked anything better than below average. Every single one of his throws were over the receiver's heads or non-catchable. With that said, it was a windy day but you're playing college football now and he should have been able to make 75% more throws than he did. If you want to know who could take his place, Josh Woodrum. This kid is nasty. He's got a canon and he doesn't have a need to run the ball all the time. Also, if we put Woodrum in, that eliminates that dumb qb sweep we keep running with MB. (that's the dumbest play I've ever watched and it gets old after about the 20th time).

On another note, my thoughts about the game:

It was cold, windy and students had their parents in town. Stop wondering why no one showed and stop blaming it on the students. No one wants to be freezing their tale off when they could be hanging out with their family. I don't blame the students at all. Also, if you don't want students to rush the field after close wins against crappy teams, get the heck out of the Big South. None of the students know who any of these teams are, so a close win is a close win. They don't get the opportunity to rush the field against high-quality teams, so don't blame them for doing it today.

I thought our offense played a horrible game, while our defense was lights out for 3 and a half quarters. This game should have been a shutout but when you constantly give the other team the ball, they'll score. Aldreakis Allen and Chris Summers are the two offensive stars, no doubt about it. BJ Hayes and Pat Kelly are nice assets but they're more complimentary than anything else. MB played horrible today but I'm wondering if he's just a lot more injured than any of us thought. Overall, we played horrible and got lucky. However, good teams create their own luck, even when they're performing poorly. So in the end, a win is a win. Good job Flames.

[No Fear]

Good post.
I would rest all my key players and definitely take the opportunity to look at a new QB and give him alittle experience for down the road.
2nd and 3rd string day...

[jbock13]

Wow Cjsweat, very good post!

I know VMi is not as good as PC, but still let's remember games aren't played on paper. Having said that, hopefully we can get a good lead so we can rest for SB. Its so good to have a bye week to retain focus against SB.

[truthorconsequences]

PC gives up 62 pts to Furman, 42 pts to SBU and 48 to Ga Southern in three of the last four weeks so we now think there are a good 2-6 football team. Sometimes I question our rationalization of performances.

do we really want the CAA look at JMU with losses to Maine and ODU they still have to go to New Hampshire and UMass.

[jcmanson]

The last 2 years have absolutely zilch to do with this season.

If he's BSC offensive POY this year then this is the worst conference in FCS. He's a turnover machine and his accuracy has been awful most of the season. Racking up big numbers against teams that we beat by 40 means nothing. Playing big in the biggest games does. He's been terrible in big games this year.

The weak point of the team right now is QB.

LOL!!!!!! He will once again be POY in the BSC unless he/we have a major meltdown at SBU. That may not be saying much, but it is what it is. Maybe you can help us out and suggest a player on our roster that you would play in his place. Surely if he is so bad, there should be a replacement available that would do a better job, don't ya think?

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I had to comment on this. You're insane if you watched MB today and actually thought he looked anything better than below average. Every single one of his throws were over the receiver's heads or non-catchable. With that said, it was a windy day but you're playing college football now and he should have been able to make 75% more throws than he did. If you want to know who could take his place, Josh Woodrum. This kid is nasty. He's got a canon and he doesn't have a need to run the ball all the time. Also, if we put Woodrum in, that eliminates that dumb qb sweep we keep running with MB. (that's the dumbest play I've ever watched and it gets old after about the 20th time).

On another note, my thoughts about the game:

It was cold, windy and students had their parents in town. Stop wondering why no one showed and stop blaming it on the students. No one wants to be freezing their tale off when they could be hanging out with their family. I don't blame the students at all. Also, if you don't want students to rush the field after close wins against crappy teams, get the heck out of the Big South. None of the students know who any of these teams are, so a close win is a close win. They don't get the opportunity to rush the field against high-quality teams, so don't blame them for doing it today.

I thought our offense played a horrible game, while our defense was lights out for 3 and a half quarters. This game should have been a shutout but when you constantly give the other team the ball, they'll score. Aldreakis Allen and Chris Summers are the two offensive stars, no doubt about it. BJ Hayes and Pat Kelly are nice assets but they're more complimentary than anything else. MB played horrible today but I'm wondering if he's just a lot more injured than any of us thought. Overall, we played horrible and got lucky. However, good teams create their own luck, even when they're performing poorly. So in the end, a win is a win. Good job Flames.

When I first read this post, I thought this kid's got a few crazy thoughts and was going to leave it at that without saying anything. But the fact that the next 2 posts said this was a great post made me have to say something.

Yep let's put in Woodrum against VMI, move MB to WR or even bench him since he's hurt, and let's ride out the rest of the season with Josh. Great idea!!!!

No, that's the stupidest idea I've ever heard. On multiple levels. Nothing against Josh, he's one of the highest rated recruits, especially at QB, we've ever had. But he's redshirting. He's already sat out 9 out of 11 games (hopefully more) and you think it's a great idea to let him play the last 2. Thus eliminating the possibility of having this "nasty" QB for a full 4 seasons. Great idea! Do you not know what redshirting means? Regardless of the whole redshirt thing, it's still stupid. The kid is a true freshman. He's only been in our offense a few months. He's been "nasty" against our scout team. Wow! So nasty! But that's fine. Let's go ahead and throw him in there and bench our 5th year senior, 2 time Big South Offensive player of the year, captain, blah blah blah for this "nasty" kid.

Also, no big deal about the crowd not showing. It was a little chilly, and it rained all Friday. Oh yeah mommy and daddy are here so let's not go to the game. No. The fans were horrible. They contributed to our team's lack of quality play. Not to mention we're trying to impress other conferences so we can get out of this putrid conference. Having a huge crowd of 11k does NOTHING for us. It was pathetic. Student support was pathetic. Students that were there were quiet. Town/alumni side was weak too. The crowd was pathetic. The students were pathetic. And it needs to be said.

[jcmanson]

And anybody saying let's treat VMI like a virtual bye doesn't know what they're talking about either. Isn't that the whole argument we have against this coaching staff? The team not showing up for our lesser opponents? Even with us overhyping games like that? So let's go ahead and teach them its ok to overlook opponents. Another great idea! You guys are on a roll this weekend!

[TH Spangler]

Lets not forget the catch in OT! Is Chris a magician or a thief?

[jbock13]

Really funny to see all you PC fans on your little board blame the refs for the loss and all your little rape analogys... some classy bunch you are

[LUconn]

No manson, the knock is losing games that they NEED to win. Hence why we've never been to the playoffs. Beating VMI does nothing.

[nyblue92]

I had to comment on this. You're insane if you watched MB today and actually thought he looked anything better than below average. Every single one of his throws were over the receiver's heads or non-catchable. With that said, it was a windy day but you're playing college football now and he should have been able to make 75% more throws than he did. If you want to know who could take his place, Josh Woodrum. This kid is nasty. He's got a canon and he doesn't have a need to run the ball all the time. Also, if we put Woodrum in, that eliminates that dumb qb sweep we keep running with MB. (that's the dumbest play I've ever watched and it gets old after about the 20th time).

You must be on crack. Do you really think it's that easy to get a replacement for an All-American caliber QB to come to Lynchburg? This isn't USC. MB is probably the best QB to ever play at Liberty if not the BSC as a whole. Do you think the folks who vote for All-Americans just continue to vote MB because they love Liberty? Give me a break. Or how about Mickey Matthews saying MB was the best QB JMU would face all year. I guess he only has a National Championship ring so he clearly can't know what he's talking about.

"He should have been able to make 75% more throws then he did" Maybe the dumbest thing I have ever read.

Throwing a football is a skill, and like all skills you have hot days and cold days. It's like hitting a driver and shooting 3 pointers. There aren't that many Reggie Miller, Luke Donald's and Tom Brady's out there. The rest of us need to deal with the reality that we're not going to be prefect every day. Yesterday was windy and the kid has a torn MCL, he is still the best athlete on LU's roster let alone at QB.

You say Mike only puts up number against week opposition. What about his 24-29 passing, 350 total yard, and 3 tds against JMU? Or his 380 yards and two td's against Lehigh? We lost both of those games but it wasn't because of Mike.

The great thing about football is that it's very hard to win football games. Even when you are a really good team it just isn't realistic to think you're going to blow everyone out every week. VA Tech struggled against Duke yesterday, and Duke lost to Richmond. It's not like our opponents aren't trying to beat us, and they believe they can, which is why they are scholarship athletes.

LU played poorly yesterday and PC played great. We made some big plays when we needed to and we got out with a win. The same W that would have come from us scoring 170 points.

I just wanted to point out how stupid you sound when your talking about taking away a kids redshirt to bench our All-American when we are two games away from our first post-season.

[bigsmooth]

give PC credit! they played well and has a nice gameplan. We were obviously out of sync and were horrible in the redzone. MB was not himself and im sure a lot of it is injury related. We all know sometimes he throws into coverage but he makes up for it in other ways. MB stepped up when he had to and helped the team win. We will be focused and will beat VMI handily, but the extra week will be enough for us to have a great scheme to shut down SB. disappointed in the student crowd as they are the ones who get the placed hyped. it was a dead crowd for sure but still im happy for the win and we took another step toward the playoffs. GO FLAMES!

[gobluehose]

Really funny to see all you PC fans on your little board blame the refs for the loss and all your little rape analogys... some classy bunch you are

If you really read, the consensus is that yes we got robbed on our last TD in regulation, but Liberty had one called back on holding also. For what it's worth, looking at the DVR didn't reveal our hold on the goal line but the one which cost you guys the TD was an obvious hold. Rape analogies? I think all that was said was that we "got raped by the refs..." A little crass? Yes, but get over it.

Plus, that's not an analogy, its hyberbole. An analogy would have to contain something for which to compare rape...."we're getting raped like...." would be an example - that would be inappropriate. Frustration after a heartbreaking loss which we had in our grasp isn't. The only thing little is your knowledge of proper grammar.

[bigsmooth]

burn woodrum's redshirt???? riiight that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. we have two regular season games left. and to blame thesmall crowd on kids hanging with their families?? cmon sweat! i was talking to a friend of mine and his son who attends LU said all of his suite mates were from florida so they stayed in and watched UGA/FLA. the problem is our sorry arse student body who does crap like this! these kids go to LU...not florida, VT, ohio state, or michigan. if they want to be true to their school and show spirit get their pansy behinds out and support the team! i dont care of we are playing the school for the deaf and blind you support your school. i will bet you that when parents weekend comes around at other schools the kids show up. its a lame half arse excuse. LU will always have an uphill battle with the "baptist" side" because of some of the locals distaste for LU so its up to the students to carry the banner.

[jinxy]

Couple things, you dont bench Mike Brown, that is idiotic. As i said earlier....Mike is what he is...a dynamic player who adds mobility to the position somtimes makes great throws but is a high risk high reward player who's best position is receiver. At this time, he is clearly the BEST option we have. It's also crazy to think that Brennan is such a better player...what has he shown this year. He telegraphs his passes 10 times worse than MB does. He comes in and NEVER looks off the receiver that the play is intended to go go. As far as burning Woodrum's redshirt, thats not even worth addressing.

The attendance was pathetic and i completely agree with Manson and Smooth in that the lack of atmosphere played into our lack of energy. I finally got a friend of mine to come out to the game who had been talkign abotu coming for years and he was blown away with the facilities but was kinda shocked at the atmosphere after seeing the crowds on TV and how electric it had been earlier this year when he watched on ESPN3.

As far as it being parents weekend...that should boost attendance not make it go down.

[jbock13]

Really funny to see all you PC fans on your little board blame the refs for the loss and all your little rape analogys... some classy bunch you are

If you really read, the consensus is that yes we got robbed on our last TD in regulation, but Liberty had one called back on holding also. For what it's worth, looking at the DVR didn't reveal our hold on the goal line but the one which cost you guys the TD was an obvious hold. Rape analogies? I think all that was said was that we "got raped by the refs..." A little crass? Yes, but get over it.

Plus, that's not an analogy, its hyberbole. An analogy would have to contain something for which to compare rape...."we're getting raped like...." would be an example - that would be inappropriate. Frustration after a heartbreaking loss which we had in our grasp isn't. The only thing little is your knowledge of proper grammar.

Its still not funny. What is funny is how you continue to defend an obviously poor choice of words. You had a chance to win, and you blew it. That's why you're PC. Hopefully you got an A in English class like I did

I don't know who said it, and nor do I care. Its just plain classless.