[SuperJon]

Ok, then we should be compared to Winthrop and should be able to live up to what Gregg Marshall has done. It's obvious we haven't.

[paradox]

Then, I guess that all Big South coaches should be fired this year because none of them quite measures up to Gregg Marshall!---now do they?

[SuperJon]

Any coach that takes a championship team and runs them into the ground deserves to be fired.


If you're not getting better, you're getting worse.

[SuperJon]

Then, I guess that all Big South coaches should be fired this year because none of them quite measures up to Gregg Marshall!---now do they?

Just letting you know, since RD became head coach, every school in the Big South has replaced their coach except for us, UNCA, and WU.

Apparently they thought everyone should be fired.

[paradox]

Any coach that takes a championship team and runs them into the ground deserves to be fired.


If you're not getting better, you're getting worse.

Actually, it didn't go down exactly like that or in the literal manner that you described--now did it?

This team didn't hit the ground until last year after Dees, Robinson, and Miller left.

LU ceased to be a championship team after Martin and then Woodson graduated. We've had very little post presence, although Mclean is getting better by the day, and virtually no leadership at the one since Woodson graduated.

Next year LU gets Bannister at the one, Brew at the 2, Smith at the 3, Mclean-4, and the 7'1 Nigerian at the 5.

Even if Dunton were to win the Big South next year, something tells me that it's just not gonna be good enough for this message board.

[SuperJon]

You're right, because I can't see any competent athletic director keeping Dunton around.

[whmatthews]

Dunton won't be here to see how good next years team will be. Next years teams has potential to be good because of a) the talent (but then again, we have great talent every year), but the main thing is b) Dunton won't be here to coach them.

[SuperJon]

I think they know that if Dunton is retained this place may riot.

[Purple Haize]

Wow DOX it is sort of like shooting fish in a barrel with you. But hey, even THAT is fun sometimes.
1. In order to PROVE you can rebuild something, doesn't it follow that it should stay "built"? If I take my care to have a trasmission rebuilt, and it fell apart soon after would I think the mechanic did a good job? If I kept taking it back to the shop and he/she said "It's better NOW" and the transmission STILL fails, was it truly rebuilt. And if I took it back AGAIN and he said "Oh wait till the NEXT one, that will be a good one, honest." What would I think of that mechanic? (This story DOES not hold true if you drive a Chrysler product. Their transmissions are crap anyways)

2. I am going out on a not to far branch to say the Rick Reeves comment was made in jest. You probably may want to avoid harping on that. Further, I am POSITIVE that Rick would not appreciate being made fun of to support or slur another person. Also, I would not put him in the camp of being an RD supporter, ergo being ok with "helping" out the "Case For Dunton"

3. As for someone "backpeddling" and pesonally insulting you for fear you actaully made a point it might help if you actaully MADE a point. Sometimes you are much like the rambling stories of everyones favorite Aunt at a family reuinion. They sure say alot but your not really sure if they have any cognizant point whatsoever.

5. When you say ignorant like Dawkins, are you refering to Daryl? Perhaps you are cohabitators on Planet Lovetron

6. There is no S in Sport Management. Thus you display the lack of knowledge of an academic field that YOU belittle someone else for not having.

7. Dees, Robinson, Miller, Martin, Woodson. Wouldn't you thik that you could replace players once they graduate? Or even bring in a nice freshman class to work with for four years? Sports fans in general will be patient with losing after a succesful season if they see the team on the field/floor is young and showing signs of consistency and improvement.

8. And just to be inane. Who was the last coach prior to Woodens consecutive NCAA winning streak to win a national title? Would THAT have justified THEIR staying at THEIR job? (Yes, I DO know who it is, but it is interesting to engage in anything serendipitous)

[thepostman]

we have had great talent coming in (or rumor of great talent coming in) every single year...beside the big south championship year it hasn't produced much....I am sick of every year thinking we have the talent to do well then because of poor execution and lack of passion out there it does not ever come together....the players may be to blame in all of this, but its been said before, players reflect leadership...


now lets spin it around...paradox you said this message board wouldn't be happy with Coach D even if we won the big south next year....if coach D happens to be around next year and the team does well and competes and shows passion and all the things we are talking about on here on a regular basis and on top that wins the big south championship...the majority of the people on this board would be very happy...of course with any coach in sports there are going to be people that don't like the coach....much like next year if we have a new coach, I am sure there will people that won't like him...its the way sports is...but if we win and do will next year and for whatever reason Coach D is still the coach then I think all of this would fade pretty fast.....

[jmdickens]

OX, Again.....what is the point?? If you are an Alum, I am starting to regret that I came to Liberty, because you must have gotten out of LU without learning to comprehend or rationalize.....

Also, HMO stated once that Dunton had to finish second to keep his job.....I guess that would be the goal for Dunton this year, but he obviously wont get there....Ergo, HE IS still the coach for this season

[SuperJon]

Yes, I was waiting for a [Edited] comment from someone. I'm surprised it took this long.

[paradox]

Then, I guess that all Big South coaches should be fired this year because none of them quite measures up to Gregg Marshall!---now do they?

Just letting you know, since RD became head coach, every school in the Big South has replaced their coach except for us, UNCA, and WU.

Apparently they thought everyone should be fired.

So, did any of the terminated coaches ever win a Big South title?

And here's a question that we can't answer: did the administration believe that the coach could win the next season?

[SuperJon]

Give it up.

[jmdickens]

So, did any of the terminated coaches ever win a Big South title?

And here's a question that we can't answer: did the administration believe that the coach could win the next season?

Okay, why would our administration believe we'd be better next season??? We get Bannister, a lock at the point and Brew and Smith at the wing......we will basically be where we are at now unless this 7'1 center is really good.....Odds are he isn't......

We will be losing Blair, the biggest scoring threat at LU in some time.....we lose him, more shots to go around; but, that doesn't mean everyone else is going to produce.......

Since about 2002-2003, LU has had alot of players who didn't pan out.....around 20 I think

[paradox]

OX, Again.....what is the point?? If you are an Alum, I am starting to regret that I came to Liberty, because you must have gotten out of LU without learning to comprehend or rationalize.....

Also, HMO stated once that Dunton had to finish second to keep his job.....I guess that would be the goal for Dunton this year, but he obviously wont get there....Ergo, HE IS still the coach for this season

Currently, I am throwing out a few hypotheticals out there about Dunton and a few points that haven't been brought up.

My main point is that those who hold Dunton's fate may not see it the same way as the majority view on this board.

As far as having a rational justification goes, you can have a rational justification for a view and be either right or wrong in the end. The trap that some of you guys keep falling into is that you respond emotionally to something that you disagree with and then claim that the other guy is somehow irrational.

Now, just because a few guys on this site get a little touchy about sports, I would never write off LU or blame its educational system for that. People overreacting and behaving irrationally at times is akin to every university in this country.

If I can offer some advice: Life is short, so don't take everything so hard, especially something as trivial as sports. Also, sharing different viewpoints is a part of life. You can disagree without becoming combustible.

[paradox]

Dickens:

I really can't speak for Barber and others on this subject, but LU's situation at the three gaurd positions will improve dramatically, mostly because of Bannister. TJ will be a huge upgrade at the point gaurd position. Also, we will add size to the other gaurd postions.

The 7'1 center is largely an unknown to us at this point. Where he is developmentally and where they see him fitting in next year could be the wild card here and in the end it may be pivotal to the decision regarding Dunton.

[SuperJon]

But it takes time to "jell" so when we're still only winning 7 games next year, what will your excuse be?

[Ed Dantes]

But it takes time to "jell" so when we're still only winning 7 games next year, what will your excuse be?

Excuses for next year:

1) Hurt by the loss of Larry Blair and Damien Hubbard

2) Not sure how Bannister fits into the rotation

3) the 7'1" guy is too raw

4) Other freshman are "learning the system"

5) Brewington turns the ball over too much but is too small to play as a forward

6) we shouldn't have given Dunton that five-year extension

[paradox]

Jon,

Certainly there is something deeply troubling about this team, and indeed, it shouldn't take all season to jell. However, it is possible that the decision makers in this case still have enough confidence in Dunton going into next year. They may be looking at how things finish out and what they think can be achieved if he stays on next year. Both are current unknowns to us at this time.

[SuperJon]

Since the Decision Maker has been at this school (mid January of last year), we've won 8 games against Division I opponents. How could he have confidence in the coach when that happens?

[paradox]

But it takes time to "jell" so when we're still only winning 7 games next year, what will your excuse be?

Excuses for next year:

1) Hurt by the loss of Larry Blair and Damien Hubbard

2) Not sure how Bannister fits into the rotation

3) the 7'1" guy is too raw

4) Other freshman are "learning the system"

5) Brewington turns the ball over too much but is too small to play as a forward

6) we shouldn't have given Dunton that five-year extension

Ed,

If he comes back next year, he is probally looking at a one year extension, and if he falls flat, he won't be retained.

Also, I know that you are trying to add humor to this and I appreciate that, but you really can't compare the losses of Martin, Woodson, and even Dees to Damien Hubbard.

[paradox]

Since the Decision Maker has been at this school (mid January of last year), we've won 8 games against Division I opponents. How could he have confidence in the coach when that happens?

The perspective from the administration is from the inside and there is always more going on than what we can be seen in the stands. So, their confidence level regarding Dunton is an unknown to us.

[Cider Jim]

The trap that some of you guys keep falling into is that you respond emotionally to something that you disagree with and then claim that the other guy is somehow irrational.

Now, just because a few guys on this site get a little touchy about sports, I would never write off LU or blame its educational system for that.

Are we all guys here--students, alumni, staff, & faculty--are do we have any FEMALE Flame Fans?

[SuperJon]

None of them are on the board. It's a big sausage fest on here.