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By LUconn
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ATrain wrote:More bad analysis from ALUmnus...some people just have the Big East brand of rose-colored glasses.

The man comes with rankings and record comparisons and that's your retort? That's weak sauce ATrain.
By ATrain
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LUconn wrote:
ATrain wrote:More bad analysis from ALUmnus...some people just have the Big East brand of rose-colored glasses.

The man comes with rankings and record comparisons and that's your retort? That's weak sauce ATrain.
Considering thats what I used records and he called my analysis of the Big East NCAA bball performance bad this season, its justified.

Anyway, the Big 12 is basically dead after next week if things shake out like everyone is talking right now.
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By Sly Fox
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Now keep in mind this is coming from Austin, but there is a report that Texas A&M doesn't have an individual invitation from the SEC. Supposedly they only get an invite if they can get Oklahoma or Texas to come with them. If that's the case, it looks like the Ags won't be joining their Bubba brethren to the east after all.

:lol:
By ALUmnus
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Sly Fox wrote:Now keep in mind this is coming from Austin, but there is a report that Texas A&M doesn't have an individual invitation from the SEC. Supposedly they only get an invite if they can get Oklahoma or Texas to come with them. If that's the case, it looks like the Ags won't be joining their Bubba brethren to the east after all.

:lol:
A little slice of perspective for Aggie nation.
By JK37
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Aside from Pac-10 expansion (which their commissioner has publicly stated is being driven by the timeline of their TV deal's renegotiation, set to commence next year), could we be done for awhile?
The entire landscape is changing with the force of an earthquake, and for much of this incredible week in college sports, Rutgers looked like a house teetering on the fault line.It might take a terrifying tumble into the abyss. Or, it might end up landing in a fantastic new neighborhood.

But, now that the ground is about to stop shaking, a third scenario seems most likely.It will end up in the exact same spot. And, the way things look, Rutgers should get comfortable there.

For now.
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index ... _comf.html

The way I see it, ND said "no" to the Big 10, which will only have ND backed into a corner if the Big East folds. But the Big East folding looks less and less likely. So, while the Pac-10 becoming the Pac-16 potentially finally puts them on-par with more easterly conferences revenue-wise. Therefore, it doesn't necessarily force the SEC, ACC, or even Big 10 to expand to 16 in this great power struggle. Follow?
By ATrain
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5279963

So apparently the SEC will take A&M by itself, even though it really wants Texas and Oklahoma. It has also ruled GT, Miami, FSU and Clemson as potential members, and while the SEC would be interested in VT there's no way they would take Virginia according to that article.

While an annual Tennessee/VT matchup is appealing, I'm quite happy with the way the ACC is right now.
By Bigsouthking
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Because UVA sucks.

And VT is better in football, plus if they have Tech they will automatically get the whole state of VA Television market. Also it keeps it at a even number, with Texas A&M being in the SEC WEst and VT going into the SEC East. even 7 teams per divison..
By Bigsouthking
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Guys its all about a 'piece of the pie' or in other terms money. I said in earlier post that the SEC wouldn't bring in Miami, FSU, GT, or Clemson. Because they already have those television markets and Florida and Georgia and S Carolina doesn't want to share the pie with those schools.. THe Texas schools bring a piece of the pie and so does VT.

Same reason Big South doesnt invite Longwood, they bring no football so they dont get in. So it doesn't help the league with 1-AA playoffs.
By JK37
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I found this to be an enlightening perspective, as well as a fond trip down memory lane. Enjoy!
Roy Kramer answered the phone on the second ring. The godfather of conference expansion and the BCS is 80 years old and lives on a lake in east Tennessee. He's retired, but like everyone else, he's also mesmerized by the latest expansion news. After all, this is partly his doing.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/ ... id=5272309
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By flamesbball84
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LUconn wrote:Why on earth would they not take UVA?
UVa is trash at basketball and trash at football, everything else in the SEC is just extracurricular. Many of UVa's best sports aren't even SEC sports. SEC doesn't sponsor men's lacrosse (which is huge for UVa), men's soccer, wrestling, field hockey, and women's lacrosse.

It would be a terrible fit for both the SEC and UVa.
By JK37
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flamesbball84 wrote:...basketball and...football, everything else in the SEC is just extracurricular.
You have obviously never coached in the SEC. Win, at all costs, in EVERY sport. Its the most cutthroat league with which I've ever been associated. No matter what sport, if you don't win, you are fired.

If you had only made your second point, you might have salvaged some credibility.
By ATrain
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Well the SEC would pick up a good baseball and men's tennis program by taking in UVA and a decent women's bball team. However, academically and athletically speaking, UVA and the SEC would probably not be a great marriage. UVA would just be the public version of Vanderbilt.

And the SEC might get a good football team in VT, but lets be honest, the other sports at VT have their flash-in-the-pan moments but aren't consistently among the nation's best.
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By flamesfilmguy
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ATrain wrote: UVA and the SEC would probably not be a great marriage. UVA would just be the public version of Vanderbilt.
No truer words have been spoken about this situation. UVA would never fit in the SEC. The grumblings i'm hearing here in ATL is that UGA is fighting very hard to not allow GT into the SEC. Clemson and FSU seem to be the favorites of the 4 previously mentioned to actually join.
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By flamesbball84
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JK37 wrote:
flamesbball84 wrote:...basketball and...football, everything else in the SEC is just extracurricular.
You have obviously never coached in the SEC. Win, at all costs, in EVERY sport. Its the most cutthroat league with which I've ever been associated. No matter what sport, if you don't win, you are fired.

If you had only made your second point, you might have salvaged some credibility.
I would be willing to bet the money earned from football and basketball trumps all the other SEC sports combined and it wouldn't even be close. Those sports are completely irrelevant, if football and basketball wasn't financing the other sports, a lot of them wouldn't exist.
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By 01LUGrad
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A few questions from a self-proclaimed conference realignment lightweight:

1. When a school moves conferences, they are ineligible for post-season league play as well as conference championships for the next year, right? If this is the case, this fall could be completely nuts as far as the BCS is concerned.

2. Speaking of the BCS, are we looking at the end of this wonderful, amazing, splendid, etc. process due to the new super-conferences? Does this bring us closer or farther away from a playoff system in football?

3. When the dust settles, what will become of the mid-majors? Is it possible that this finally gives LU a chance to move up? (this will require a lot of speculation, I would assume)
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By jcmanson
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Bigsouthking wrote:Same reason Big South doesnt invite Longwood, they bring no football so they dont get in. So it doesn't help the league with 1-AA playoffs.
So why then did Campbell get in???
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By Sly Fox
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OK, the past 48 hours have been dizzying down here in Texas. But as the dust begins to settle it is looking more & more like all of the movement may already be over.

A&M has told the Pac-10 to go fly a kite and is focused on either joining the SEC (which apparently now is a real possibility) or sticking with a revamped 10-team Big XII. The Big XII commish has finally gotten off his duff and pitched a deal to keep the 10 remaining members of the beleaguered league (I just love pairing those words) together. Five schools are desperately behind this initiative for obvious reasons: Kansas, K-State, Mizzou, Iowa State and Baylor ... the so called "Other Five". UT, Tech, OU & OSU are supposedly set to give a thumbs up or thumbs down to Pac-10 on Tuesday. But since the Ags have decided the SEC looks like a better play for them it has opened the door for all of the schools to reconsider their positions.

Reportedly under the last ditch proposal to save the Big XII, commish Beebe is suggested the ten remaining schools stick together and since the league is up for TV contract negotiations next summer Beebe says he would guarantee each of the 10 remaining members the $17M per institution that SEC schools are getting under their new longterm contract. On top of that, they would allow member schools to start their own television networks. The last point is a huge deal to UT which stands to make and additional $3-4M each year off such venture. It likely also would benefit Texas A&M in a big way and Oklahoma to a lesser extent. The rest of the schools probably wouldn't make enough money off such a deal to make it worth their while. It should be noted that yours truly would be all over any TV startup at either school.

If the remaining Big XII schools decide to stick together, the SEC would likely stop their expansion thoughts. The Pac-10 would have to add Utah to set up a travelling partner for Colorado (who they probably wouldn't have offered if they knew they wouldn't be getting the prized Texas schools in the deal). The Big Ten would stand firm for the time being to wait out Notre Dame. This would essentially give the Big East, ACC & Mountain West another year to get their acts together before the drama resumes next summer.

Now if the Aggies do bolt to the SEC, all bets are off and it gets real interesting. Allegedly the SEC has enough votes from the A&M Regents but there remains STRONG resistance from some in College Station to throw away a century of rivalry with UT in order to move into a league where they are likely to get pounded harder than they do where they are now. Some in College Station are delusional in believing they could maintain their traditional rivalries with Texas schools even though they would essentially be throwing all of their partners under the bus in their quest for greed. Ask the University of Houston what happens to schools that mess with the big boys. UH hasn't been able to schedule UT or A&M in any sport and it has killed their athletic revenue. And look how things have worked out for Arkansas since they jumped ship. They went from a national championship contender every year in the SWC to an also-ran in the SEC. By opening up the Lone Star State's fertile recruiting grounds to the SEC, there remains a very real possibility that all Texas schools could be pulled back to the pack just so A&M could feel like they showed the boys in Austin who is boss.

For those who do not know, Texas Governor Rick Perry was an Aggie yell leader (have PastorZack explain these milkmen to you because I can't) back in the day and is in the midst of a campaign to stay in office with a November election. Rick has no interest in having this go down on his watch so there might be some political implications. There is a Wednesday hearing by legislators in Austin but with schools likely decided by Tuesday, it may be too late.

In essence, if you are a fan of the Big East and/or ACC you should be hoping the Aggies pass on their SEC invitation. Because if they bolt, craziness will follow. And frankly, it is looking more and more like this could happen.
By 4everfsu
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I don't see SEC taking T A&M as that will be the 13th team unless they bring in another team to balance out the divisions.
By ATrain
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4everfsu wrote:I don't see SEC taking T A&M as that will be the 13th team unless they bring in another team to balance out the divisions.
Yeah, the question is who would that 14th team be? Would the SEC go after an ACC team in Miami, FSU, Georgia Tech, Clemson or possibly Virginia Tech? Or would the SEC try to lure another Big XII team away? Or would the SEC expand way outside their footprint to try and get WVU?

Miami and VT's ADs have already pledged loyalty to the ACC (though we all know its the school prezes/chancellors who decide, not the ADs).

I'm sure Arkansas may have fallen off in championship caliber since leaving the SWC, but I think they're quite happy with that $17 million from their new home.
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By Sly Fox
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Tuesday is when most of the schools involved have their regents voting. Wednesday is the day that the state legislature has set up a hearing (5-day notice required) and there is growing pressure for the schools to hold out on their decisions until after the legislative hearing. The committee involved is the one that disperses public funding to the state universities so they do have some pull in the matter.

Indications are that if A&M does move on to the SEC that the Pac-10 will use the Aggies vacated spot to invite Kansas. Allegedly there is some state statute that required Kansas & K-State to be in the same league. But I'm sure the folks in Lawrence wouldn't let that stop them from hopping on the last train out of town.

As for the SEC, they desperately wanted A&M to come alongside UT or OU. Neither are interested and there aren't any other attractive candidates to the west. So they have to look either east or north. VT is not as crazy as it sounds. It would fit in with the Bubba nature of the league and it would help open a number of new television markets as would Maryland. It remains a long shot, but I still think UNC would remain #1 on their wish list. Yeah, I know they have rivalry with Duke. But that hasn't stopped the Aggies from possibly ditching a century of tradition in their thirst for dollars. The big shots in Chapel Hill would have to at least give it some consideration.
By 4everfsu
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UNC will not go
By olldflame
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BuryYourDuke wrote:If the SEC is only adding 2 schools, and UNC is one of them, I will put anything Sly wants in my signature for the next 25 years...there's not a chance in Radford that's happening. It's been covered fairly well, but seriously...those of you talking about UVA in the SEC...just stop. It's absolutely ridiculous.

As for the SEC not caring about anything but football and basketball...I don't think that's quite accurate. It really depends on the school. Obviously football is king at Bama, but I can tell you that they do care about some olympic sports such as women's gymnastics (seriously, it sells out) and baseball.
Several SEC schools ( ie: LSU, Florida and Arkansas just for starters) are also very strong in T&F (both men's and women's). We're talking multiple national championships and dozens of Olympians over the years.
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