[RubberMallet]

one thing I won't miss by the season being cancelled (which is what is going to happen) is that completely ridiculous reasons why the majority of this board hates the nba. The reasons given for the hate are never accurate.

I just don't like it. My personal taste in basketball is for a much more team oriented game. Is that inaccurate?

yeah totally. there are plenty of bad basketball teams in the nba but there are alot of good teams that play plenty of defense and plenty of team basketball. saying things like this about today's nba is pretty ignorant. same as "YOU CAN TAKE 4 STEPS IN THE NBA DURR DURRR".

[RubberMallet]

Dude, I actually enjoy the NBA for the most part and I can't agree that the NBA brand of basketball is a team sport. The rules are set up to give superstars one-on-one isolation opportunities. While there are some team elements as we saw from the Mavs in the Finals, the fact that three superstars can get on same team and essentially just bully their way to the Finals is evidence that team ball is not absolutely necessary or appreciated in today's game.

PS - I haven't missed the NBA even for a second this season. Then again, I am in shock at having to depend on Matt Leinart right now. Ugh.

60% of a starting squad getting most of the touches isn't "team basketball"?

people waxing poetic about the days of magic and bird must of forgotten that the laker and magic and maybe the 76'ers were the only teams worth watching back then.

[thepostman]

Dude, I actually enjoy the NBA for the most part and I can't agree that the NBA brand of basketball is a team sport. The rules are set up to give superstars one-on-one isolation opportunities. While there are some team elements as we saw from the Mavs in the Finals, the fact that three superstars can get on same team and essentially just bully their way to the Finals is evidence that team ball is not absolutely necessary or appreciated in today's game.

PS - I haven't missed the NBA even for a second this season. Then again, I am in shock at having to depend on Matt Leinart right now. Ugh.

Then you simply buy in the the terrible way the game is marketed, not how it has actually been played (especially the last decade). It has transformed into a more team oriented game without a doubt

[flamehunter]

one thing I won't miss by the season being cancelled (which is what is going to happen) is that completely ridiculous reasons why the majority of this board hates the nba. The reasons given for the hate are never accurate.

I just don't like it. My personal taste in basketball is for a much more team oriented game. Is that inaccurate?

yeah totally. there are plenty of bad basketball teams in the nba but there are alot of good teams that play plenty of defense and plenty of team basketball. saying things like this about today's nba is pretty ignorant. same as "YOU CAN TAKE 4 STEPS IN THE NBA DURR DURRR".

Thanks for the compliment. Sorry NBA fans, but I love sports. Pretty much anything on I will watch. And I will watch the NBA when it is all that's on. Sometimes I will enjoy a close competitive game. Having said that, I usually get tired of a game after about a quarter. I don't prefer the style they play. Again, that's my preference. If you believe they are playing a team oriented game, then fine. I don't see it that way. If you think that makes me ignorant, then so be it. I am not saying they should change the way they play. I am simply saying I don't care for it. And I am sure I am not alone. Why you guys find it necessary to insult my intelligence is beyond me. I don't see anywhere in your posts where any of you actually describe to me how it is a team game.

[thepostman]

Its fine not to like the nba. some people simply prefer college sports to pro sports. I do think it is completely wrong to say that the nba isn't team oriented, especially compared to how it was in the 90's, but agree to disagree I suppose

[Sly Fox]

Guys, I even stated that I am down with the NBA in general. And I feelbcomfortable stating that I have sat in more NBA arenas for games than everyone else on the board combined. I guess we Old Hags have a different definition of team basketball.

And Mallet, while a handful of NBA franchises were stacked so the Association became talent imbalances there was still an excited brand of hoops to watch elsewhere. But it was before the proliferation of regional networks so America didn't see them much. The Ice Man sends his regards from down here in Texas.

[RubberMallet]

I just don't like it. My personal taste in basketball is for a much more team oriented game. Is that inaccurate?

yeah totally. there are plenty of bad basketball teams in the nba but there are alot of good teams that play plenty of defense and plenty of team basketball. saying things like this about today's nba is pretty ignorant. same as "YOU CAN TAKE 4 STEPS IN THE NBA DURR DURRR".

Thanks for the compliment. Sorry NBA fans, but I love sports. Pretty much anything on I will watch. And I will watch the NBA when it is all that's on. Sometimes I will enjoy a close competitive game. Having said that, I usually get tired of a game after about a quarter. I don't prefer the style they play. Again, that's my preference. If you believe they are playing a team oriented game, then fine. I don't see it that way. If you think that makes me ignorant, then so be it. I am not saying they should change the way they play. I am simply saying I don't care for it. And I am sure I am not alone. Why you guys find it necessary to insult my intelligence is beyond me. I don't see anywhere in your posts where any of you actually describe to me how it is a team game.

it doesn't make us think you are ignorant, it makes you ignorant in regards to the nba. its ok. don't see it as an insult. you can say you don't like its "style" which while still hilarious, isn't as ignorant of a statement. i don't see anywhere in your posts where you describe to us how it is not.

[thepostman]

Guys, I even stated that I am down with the NBA in general. And I feelbcomfortable stating that I have sat in more NBA arenas for games than everyone else on the board combined. I guess we Old Hags have a different definition of team basketball.

And Mallet, while a handful of NBA franchises were stacked so the Association became talent imbalances there was still an excited brand of hoops to watch elsewhere. But it was before the proliferation of regional networks so America didn't see them much. The Ice Man sends his regards from down here in Texas.

please explain because I think you are dead wrong. I may have not sat in as many nba arenas as you have but I watch so much nba every season that I pick and choose what football games I watch just so my wife won't completely hate me. I think the nba product has improved greatly and the team aspect has as well. To be successful now in the nba you must be team oriented, without that you will not win. Plain and simple.

Is there still room for improvement? Of course...

thanks for pointing out how awesome you are for the amount of nba arenas you've been in though. It really added to the conversation

[Sly Fox]

First off, my understanding of the game and exposure to it were called into question. That's why I wanted to make it clear that I don't lack either in making my assessments. I still enjoy the game but clearly not as passionately as some of you. I tend to find it boring at times because it seems the game lacks creativity at times. I can only handle so many isolation plays in a row without clicking the channel. But that's just my opinion. I get that some people love seeing LBJ isolated every time down the floor and jacking up jumpers. It just doesn't offer much intrigue to me unless it is my team winning on a regular basis.

[jcmanson]

The only complaint I have with the NBA is there are too many games. 82 is way too many. Somewhere around 50 would be better.

It's the same thing with baseball, who honestly has the time to keep up with 162 games? I'll check in at the All-Star Break and again in October.

[thepostman]

First off, my understanding of the game and exposure to it were called into question. That's why I wanted to make it clear that I don't lack either in making my assessments. I still enjoy the game but clearly not as passionately as some of you. I tend to find it boring at times because it seems the game lacks creativity at times. I can only handle so many isolation plays in a row without clicking the channel. But that's just my opinion. I get that some people love seeing LBJ isolated every time down the floor and jacking up jumpers. It just doesn't offer much intrigue to me unless it is my team winning on a regular basis.

but that is why the Heat failed. In order to win in the nba today you must play a more team oriented style and the Heat did not.

I can remember a certain college team that not so long ago did nothing but isolation plays for a certain star freshmen. You may know of that school.

My point is the teams that win are team oriented teams. That Dallas team that won played great team basketball which is why they beat the Heat. The Heat couldn't figure out how to play as a team.

The Heat do not define the league. That gets me back to you simply buying into the poor marketing the nba does of its product. Its a injustice to what the game really is.

[adam42381]

The only complaint I have with the NBA is there are too many games. 82 is way too many. Somewhere around 50 would be better.

It's the same thing with baseball, who honestly has the time to keep up with 162 games? I'll check in at the All-Star Break and again in October.

I agree that the NBA season is too long. 50-60 games would be ideal. As far as baseball goes, I'd be fine with them going back to the old 154 game schedule. Cutting it any shorter than that would be rolling back over 100 years of history. To be honest, I probably watched at least 120 Red Sox games this year on my iPad. Sure, I was doing other things at the same time, but I was following them all very closely.

[thepostman]

The only complaint I have with the NBA is there are too many games. 82 is way too many. Somewhere around 50 would be better.

It's the same thing with baseball, who honestly has the time to keep up with 162 games? I'll check in at the All-Star Break and again in October.

I do agree with that. I think hockey, basketball and especially baseball should shorten their seasons.

[lynchburgwildcats]

I agree about shortening the seasons as well. Baseball's is so long I just quit giving a crap about the sport. I don't necessarily hate an 82-game NBA season, but I think it would help with the casual fans since the games would mean a bit more. In baseball, you lose one game and you got 161 other chances to make up for it, so one or even 3-4 lost games in a row isn't very meaningful. In the NFL, which has a healthy 16-game schedule, you lose 3-4 games in a row and you might as well forget about going to the playoffs unless you win every other game. Heck, in college football, you lose one game and your chances of going to the BCS title game are in severe jeopardy!

I suppose I would say the same about hockey in regards to shortening the # of games, but I don't get versus or the NHL network so I never really get to watch regular season hockey...

[jbock13]

I actually like baseball's schedule, but that's only because I love the game so much. I'd be okay if they cut it to 140 games. But they won't, because that's 11 home games that get cut from the owners. That's what it's about. Money. But hey, more games, the happier it makes me.

But I do agree, it's too much.

[prototype]

What I love about professional sports is how all of the sudden guys that play basketball for a living are all now businessmen... Just because they make a lot of money, doesn't mean they know how to generate it. I have always been for players making money - they are the product, BUT they need to be thankful they have jobs that pay very well... It's like Liberty employees demanding Liberty pay them more of their profits because they think they are entitled to more. That's ludicrous - they don't own it and if they don't want their money - then go start your own University and you can make those decisions.

It's not only about the players not getting 3% points more, it's about all those facility workers that aren't getting a chance to earn a living right now. Let the big boys talk dollar and cents and you go back to hitting a jump shot...

[Schfourteenteen]

I'm actually glad to see the players getting a lesson here. The owners have all the leverage, and it's apparent the NBA players have no alternatives. Everyone says "oh but the players have conceded 300M already, isnt that enough?" No. it's not. NBA players have had the best deal in sports for a while now, and the NBA owners know they will make more money by killing the players in this negotiating table. The players are behind in information, PR, and negotiating tactics. Decertifying now? Mike Singletary looked better with his pants down.

The owners will get 53 percent. Fairness is not a necessary component in deal making.

[lynchburgwildcats]

I'm actually glad to see the players getting a lesson here. The owners have all the leverage, and it's apparent the NBA players have no alternatives. Everyone says "oh but the players have conceded 300M already, isnt that enough?" No. it's not. NBA players have had the best deal in sports for a while now, and the NBA owners know they will make more money by killing the players in this negotiating table. The players are behind in information, PR, and negotiating tactics. Decertifying now? Mike Singletary looked better with his pants down.

The owners will get 53 percent. Fairness is not a necessary component in deal making.

They haven't decertified, they filed a disclaimer of interest, they are not the same thing...

http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/stor ... heir-union

http://basketball.about.com/od/nba-cba- ... terest.htm

[Schfourteenteen]

I'm actually glad to see the players getting a lesson here. The owners have all the leverage, and it's apparent the NBA players have no alternatives. Everyone says "oh but the players have conceded 300M already, isnt that enough?" No. it's not. NBA players have had the best deal in sports for a while now, and the NBA owners know they will make more money by killing the players in this negotiating table. The players are behind in information, PR, and negotiating tactics. Decertifying now? Mike Singletary looked better with his pants down.

The owners will get 53 percent. Fairness is not a necessary component in deal making.

They haven't decertified, they filed a disclaimer of interest, they are not the same thing...

http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/stor ... heir-union

Yeah I'm just assuming they will. The owners aren't about to concede more, and the players have little else they can do to get negotiations started again.

[lynchburgwildcats]

I'm actually glad to see the players getting a lesson here. The owners have all the leverage, and it's apparent the NBA players have no alternatives. Everyone says "oh but the players have conceded 300M already, isnt that enough?" No. it's not. NBA players have had the best deal in sports for a while now, and the NBA owners know they will make more money by killing the players in this negotiating table. The players are behind in information, PR, and negotiating tactics. Decertifying now? Mike Singletary looked better with his pants down.

The owners will get 53 percent. Fairness is not a necessary component in deal making.

They haven't decertified, they filed a disclaimer of interest, they are not the same thing...

http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/stor ... heir-union

Yeah I'm just assuming they will. The owners aren't about to concede more, and the players have little else they can do to get negotiations started again.

The point of doing a disclaimer of interest is to avoid decertification, decertification is a lot slower than disclaimer of interest, but they have the same end effect of dissolving the union and allowing the players to sue...

[prototype]

What are they suing for? Suing that the owners were smart enough to earn enough money to build a 300 million dollar arena, employ 1,000 of people and organize a company that allowed them to get paid 10 million a year to play basketball in front of millions of people? How much do the owners make off of their individual endorsement deals? ZERO. They should push back on that and make Melo, Bryant, James give them 53% of that money...

[Purple Haize]

Gotta love a Citizen Kane reference. Even more appropriate bc he is clapping for a crappy performance

[lynchburgwildcats]

What are they suing for?

Anti-trust violations...

[prototype]

What are they suing for?

Anti-trust violations...

Again...What are they fighting for?

[lynchburgwildcats]

There is this wonderful thing called google that you should try out
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=nba+antitrust