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By NotAJerry
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People are bailing on Shanahan in the 1st year of the 1st true attempt at building the right way since the 1st Gibbs era? Really? Other Redskins fans embarrass me sometimes.

This team upgraded at RB, WR, C, OG, DE, NT, OLB, CB and FS in the offseason. They've got a good young LT who has played much better in his 2nd year. They've gotten rid of the locker room cancers that absolutely had to go. That's on top of a 6-10 team from last year. 7-9, 8-8 are still attainable, but with the injuries I wouldn't mind another 6-10 type finish with a top 10 pick to land one of the 4 (Luck, Jones, Barkley, RGIII) top tier QBs in the draft.

That 2012 draft sees the Skins with ALL of their picks for the 1st time in recent memory. They've also got Oakland's 4th for Campbell, Minnesota's 6th for McNabb, and a conditional 6th from NO for Brown (if he plays 90% of the plays this year which he's on pace for). They've also got a 2013 6th for McNabb and 7th for Fat Al. That's how you build a winner from within.

With Moss down, you can run a top 3 of Gaffney, Armstrong and Stallworth at first while letting the young guys have a shot to earn a spot for the future. Even without Hightower, you've got Torain and Helu who both have shown enough to feel comfortable with them in the game. The OL is the only real weak spot right now and that's okay with Locklear being the best backup OT the team has had in a long time and Cook looking decent so far. The defense is fine as long as the opposing QB isn't freakishly mobile like Vick and Newton.

The Skins go into the next draft with 10 picks, 5 in the top 4 rounds, and needs at QB, #1 CB, ILB (need a real prospect there), and more OL depth. Even if they finish around the middle of the pack this year, there are enough extra lower round picks to move up and grab the last of the 4 QB prospects and still be able to hit the other needs.

This is the best position the Skins have been in since 1991 outside of the egotrip that ran Martyball out of town after only 1 year.
By ALUmnus
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The injuries in the last few weeks have been brutal. It'll be tough to overcome all of that, especially your top 3 offensive options.

One QB you left off your list (maybe he's not considered top tier yet) is Russell Wilson. I've been very impressed with him so far. If he keeps getting better, I'd love to see him in a Redskins uniform.

Edit: Yes, thanks, BJ. Russell Wilson, don't know how I mangled that one.
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By jbock13
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lol and that's what you don't get my friend. The Redskins have decided to be one of those teams who believe QB's are overrated. Our most glaring need was at QB and what did we do during the draft?

So now should I believe the issue will be adressed this year? Hah.
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By jbock13
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Might I add, isn't this the same garbage we got with Jason Campbell? Every year was supposed to be the year he would transform into the best QB ever.

Until... it finally never transpired.
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jbock13 wrote:Might I add, isn't this the same garbage we got with Jason Campbell? Every year was supposed to be the year he would transform into the best QB ever.

Until... it finally never transpired.
To his defense he had 7 different OC in 7 years. He went to Oakland where there has been much more coaching stability and he has been doing very well.
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By NotAJerry
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ALUmnus wrote:The injuries in the last few weeks have been brutal. It'll be tough to overcome all of that, especially your top 3 offensive options.

One QB you left off your list (maybe he's not considered top tier yet) is Russell Wilson. I've been very impressed with him so far. If he keeps getting better, I'd love to see him in a Redskins uniform.

Edit: Yes, thanks, BJ. Russell Wilson, don't know how I mangled that one.
Russell Wilson is listed at 5'11" and all colleges fudge the height of the QB a bit. He's probably not tall enough to play QB at the next level. At most, he's a late round pick because of his lack of height.
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By NotAJerry
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jbock13 wrote:lol and that's what you don't get my friend. The Redskins have decided to be one of those teams who believe QB's are overrated. Our most glaring need was at QB and what did we do during the draft?

So now should I believe the issue will be adressed this year? Hah.
What was there at QB in this draft? Other than Cam, there were a ton of question marks. The 2012 draft comes with much more proven QB options than the 2011 draft did. If you're going to reach for a 1st round QB, I'd rather it be RGIII than Christian Ponder.
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By NotAJerry
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flamerbob wrote:Please show me the upgrade at QB or WR? Seriously. Shanahan is showing he doesn't know how to coach in the new NFL, just like Gibbs. And for the record, I've been a fan for 27 years.
Learn to read, there was no comment about a QB upgrade. As far as WR goes, last year the guys who got the most snaps as #2 WR were Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams. Devin Thomas was still getting a look. This year they have Jabar Gaffney at #2 WR, a guy who is a fairly consistent 50-60 catch guy when getting playing time. Armstrong is being given one more year (he's 29), but we're also seeing Terrance Austin take a run at being a legit slot WR. He's been impressive and now he's going to get more than 4th/5th WR snaps while Moss is out. Stallworth has been valuable, even moreso as a run blocker than WR, and the rookies now get a chance to get some real snaps as well. That's a huge upgrade from Santana Moss and the merry band of feces that got the majority of snaps last year.
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By jbock13
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lol RG 3 has put up impressive numbers... against absolutely pathetic defenses.

ESPN's heisman hype machine once again cranks up these players. Its like the ones who say Geno Smith is great. Okay, he's not bad, but still makes tons of mistakes.

How many QB's do we have this year without question marks? Aren't there always? And the ones who didn't have any questions, like Ryan Leaf, how did their careers go?

We should have kept Chase Daniel, but like typical Redskins, we have to cut anyone who performs well during the preseason.

And this is why I have no faith it will ever change.
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By Sly Fox
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jbock13 wrote:lol RG 3 has put up impressive numbers... against absolutely pathetic defenses.
Yeah, he should be competing against teams in a powerhouse league like the ACC. :roll:

RG3 is working a nearly identical schedule to what Chase Daniel faced. I believe barring injury that Griffin will be an above average NFL QB. If he is able to pull off what he is doing at Baylor, I can't imagine what he could accomplish surrounded by legitimate talent.
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By jbock13
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Two things. I knew Cam Newton would make it, and I knew JaMarcus Russell wouldn't.

I know it's cute to sit behind a computer and giggle, but it's another thing to be right.

Sly: which defense did Baylor play that is any good and not lose? Texas A&M? I mean he did put those numbers up against Sam Houston State right? :D
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By NotAJerry
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jbock13 wrote:lol RG 3 has put up impressive numbers... against absolutely pathetic defenses.
Really? Wow. You may want to take the stupid out of your posts. RGIII put up 13 TDs and 2 INTs against TCU, KState (still undefeated) and aTm so far. He's been over 70% completions against all 3.

EDIT: KState is the #23 scoring defense and TCU #36. That's two teams in the top third of FBS teams this year and he's gone 44-58 (75.8%), 705 yards, 10 TD, 1 INT. That's what he's done against the 2 best defenses he's played this year.
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By NotAJerry
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BuryYourDuke wrote:
jbock13 wrote: We should have kept Chase Daniel, but like typical Redskins, we have to cut anyone who performs well during the preseason.

And this is why I have no faith it will ever change.
This tells you everything you need to know on jbock's ability to evaluate NFL QB's.
Yeah, may have to add an ignore feature to save myself the astonishment.
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By jbock13
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NotAJerry wrote:
BuryYourDuke wrote:
jbock13 wrote: We should have kept Chase Daniel, but like typical Redskins, we have to cut anyone who performs well during the preseason.

And this is why I have no faith it will ever change.
This tells you everything you need to know on jbock's ability to evaluate NFL QB's.
Yeah, may have to add an ignore feature to save myself the astonishment.
Do it. Nobody's stopping you. Sorry that you can't handle it when people dare to disagree with you.
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i don't think its just that they can't handle disagreement, i think its more about when people say things like "pathetic defenses" when they are clearly and completely wrong.
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By jbock13
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What about when they're right? RG3 couldn't do crap again OK St., and even they don't have a good defense.
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By Sly Fox
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You do realize that Oklahoma State leads the nation in interceptions. And you are aware that RGIII did have a rather quality performance against a Top 10 team from K-State.

He's not facing backwater ACC or Big East fare each week.
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ok state is a middle of the road defense. not terrible.

ok st, tcu, ksu, a&m are all decent defenses, with tcu actually being a good defense. so far from pathetic.

using 1 game as a litmus test is funny too.
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By jbock13
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lol and what do OK st, and A&M have in common?

That's right, a loss, and TD's scored in garbage time.

Forgive me but I don't even want to talk about the Redskins anymore :brownbag I didn't even watch any of the game, I just watched the red zone channel all day.
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jbock13 wrote:lol and what do OK st, and A&M have in common?

That's right, a loss, and TD's scored in garbage time.
thats not even what we are talking about. we are talking about you calling them pathetic defenses.

okst and a&m are good football teams. griffin didn't allow 50+ pts. if we took away garbage time td's from qb's they'd all look pretty pedestrian.
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By jbock13
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Let's review shall we?

Texas A&M isn't a pathetic defense.

TCU has played a relatively cupcake schedule outside of Baylor, but look at the scores. Plenty of points to give up to teams like UL-Monroe, BYU, etc.

Sam Houston State... yeah.

Rice, sucks.

K-State, not bad but not great defensively. Lots of offense to make up for it though.

Iowa State, getting better but still stinks.

So there ya go. Easy defenses.
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