[TH Spangler]

2015

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 115711.htm

[Purple Haize]

Huge peer reviewed study on the efficacy or lack thereof concerning masks

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

[paradox]

...Lately things don't seem the same...actin' funny, but I don't know why...

[Jonathan Carone]

Huge peer reviewed study on the efficacy or lack thereof concerning masks

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

The findings, however, should not be used to conclude that a recommendation for everyone to wear masks in the community would not be effective in reducing SARS-CoV-2 infections, because the trial did not test the role of masks in source control of SARS-CoV-2 infection.

During the study period, authorities did not recommend face mask use outside hospital settings and mask use was rare in community settings). This means that study participants' exposure was overwhelmingly to persons not wearing masks.

The potential benefits of a community-wide recommendation to wear masks include combined prevention and source control for symptomatic and asymptomatic persons, improved attention, and reduced potential stigmatization of persons wearing masks to prevent infection of others.

Our results suggest that the recommendation to wear a surgical mask when outside the home among others did not reduce, at conventional levels of statistical significance, the incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in mask wearers in a setting where social distancing and other public health measures were in effect, mask recommendations were not among those measures, and community use of masks was uncommon. Yet, the findings were inconclusive and cannot definitively exclude a 46% reduction to a 23% increase in infection of mask wearers in such a setting.

Thus, these findings do not provide data on the effectiveness of widespread mask wearing in the community in reducing SARS-CoV-2 infections. They do, however, offer evidence about the degree of protection mask wearers can anticipate in a setting where others are not wearing masks and where other public health measures, including social distancing, are in effect. The findings also suggest that persons should not abandon other COVID-19 safety measures regardless of the use of masks. While we await additional data to inform mask recommendations, communities must balance the seriousness of COVID-19, uncertainty about the degree of source control and protective effect, and the absence of data suggesting serious adverse effects of masks.

[paradox]

CBS is reporting that suicide claimed more Japanese lives in October than 10 months of Covid. For them, the cure is far worse than the disease.

[SumItUp]

Me: Take care of the vulnerable and live your life.

________________

Cambridge educated, Dr. Roger Hodkinson, Chairman of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons committee in Ottawa, CEO of a large private medical laboratory in Edmonton, Alberta and Chairman of a Medical Biotechnology company SELLING the COVID-19 test:

"There is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians. This is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspected public. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to contain this virus. This is nothing more than a bad flu season. It's politics playing medicine and that's a very dangerous game.

There is no action needed....Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence whatsoever they are even effective. It is utterly ridiculous seeing these unfortunate, uneducated people walking around like lemmings obeying without any evidence. Social distancing is also useless.....

Positive testing results do NOT indicate clinical infection. It is simply driving public hysteria and ALL testing should STOP immediately....using the province's own statistics the risk of death under 65 is 1 in 300,000. The scale of the response is utterly ridiculous...all kinds of business closures, suicides .... you're being led down the garden path."

[paradox]

The mental health fallout is real. And it's only going to get worse. We are far too complacent, trusting in "experts" and "authorities." Where does it all lead?

[cruzan_flame13]

The mental health fallout is real. And it's only going to get worse. We are far too complacent, trusting in "experts" and "authorities." Where does it all lead?

Haven't you heard? The Great Reset silly. "You'll own nothing. And you'll be happy." The World Economic Forum has our best interest in mind

[stokesjokes]

CBS is reporting that suicide claimed more Japanese lives in October than 10 months of Covid. For them, the cure is far worse than the disease.

This is true, and the mental health effects of the lockdowns are real, I work in mental health so I see it.

However, you’ve gotta put some context to these numbers. Japan has historically had one of the highest suicide rates in the world and also has one of the lowest COVID death rates.

Japan has had 2,000 deaths total from COVID for its entire duration. It only took an increase in 600 October suicides from last year to make October suicides more deadly than COVID overall.

Compare that to the US- we had more COVID deaths yesterday than Japan has had total in 10 months. That’s also quite striking considering how old the Japanese population is. So whatever they are doing in regards to COVID is obviously working.

[Purple Haize]

From a classmate of mine. Scroll back a few pages in this thread. This is something I have harped on for awhile. It’s what makes me upset about lockdowns et. It won’t get better if people can’t get together over the Holidays. SHE is a real front line worker. I can’t imagine she is alone

[thepostman]

Lockdowns are not effective but I don't see any issue in encouraging people not to travel for the holidays. I know people will miss their normal traditions but maybe it is the fact I know military families year in and year out who miss holidays, but I think peoole can become creative in 2020 and still have some meaningful family time virtually or not.

At the end of the day people need to be free to do what they want. Just like I am free to say I think it is irresponsible. Especially now that there is a definitive light at the end of this tunnel.

Also, you guys post too many videos. I can't watch them all!

[Purple Haize]

Lockdowns are not effective but I don't see any issue in encouraging people not to travel for the holidays. I know people will miss their normal traditions but maybe it is the fact I know military families year in and year out who miss holidays, but I think peoole can become creative in 2020 and still have some meaningful family time virtually or not.

At the end of the day people need to be free to do what they want. Just like I am free to say I think it is irresponsible. Especially now that there is a definitive light at the end of this tunnel.

Also, you guys post too many videos. I can't watch them all!

When you join the Military you know you don’t always get holidays off and know you won’t always be with Family. That’s part of the deal. As an accountant or bus driver or teacher you don’t make that same deal
Plus, my video is pretty raw, someone I know personally and not from someone named Voddie!

[thepostman]

The military member signs up for that. Their kids don't.

[Jonathan Carone]

We’ve seriously scaled down Thanksgiving this year. No one from out of town is coming in. It’ll just be my immediate family, brother, dad, and mother-in-law and we’ve asked everyone to seriously limit their going out over the next week to protect us all. We are also going to do almost a self quarantine the week or so after Thanksgiving while numbers spike. It was a hard decision but it’s the best way to keep us safe.

[Purple Haize]

The military member signs up for that. Their kids don't.

When they (you) have kids they know that’s part of the deal too and make adjustments. Asking the Civilian population to do so in this case isn’t similar and dangerous

[thepostman]

As a citizen I can give my opinion that mass family gatherings around the holidays is not wise this year.

The military viewpoint is just being used to say that one year away won't be the end of the world. I don't think government mandated lockdowns are the way to go and said as much.

I'll say it again just in case you missed it the 2 other times I have said it. Government mandated lockdowns are not wise. Government suggestions are fine.

I could go on a side rant about the lack of care and compassion the general public have for military families because "it is what they signed up for" but it is Friday and I have a ton of work to do.

[Purple Haize]

As a citizen I can give my opinion that mass family gatherings around the holidays is not wise this year.

The military viewpoint is just being used to say that one year away won't be the end of the world. I don't think government mandated lockdowns are the way to go and said as much.

I'll say it again just in case you missed it the 2 other times I have said it. Government mandated lockdowns are not wise. Government suggestions are fine.

I could go on a side rant about the lack of care and compassion the general public have for military families because "it is what they signed up for" but it is Friday and I have a ton of work to do.

So what you’re saying is you’re not a fan of Government mandated lockdowns?

[Purple Haize]

No one posted this yet? Heathens

[thepostman]

I showed it to my wife a few days ago but I have failed you. I am sorry.

[olldflame]

So, there is at least one poll saying that only 24% of African Americans want to take the Covid vaccine.

Meanwhile Kamala Harris who has said she would not take a vaccine if Trump had anything to do with it, pontificates on how HE is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.

[stokesjokes]

I can understand African American’s distrust of institutions, that is well earned. Look at things like the Tuskegee experiment. That’s why I hope prominent figures getting the vaccine publicly can ease some concerns. Good leaders need to step up and get the vaccine on camera. Sort of like Princess Diana shaking hands with AIDS patients.

[olldflame]

I can understand African American’s distrust of institutions, that is well earned. Look at things like the Tuskegee experiment. That’s why I hope prominent figures getting the vaccine publicly can ease some concerns. Good leaders need to step up and get the vaccine on camera. Sort of like Princess Diana shaking hands with AIDS patients.

The fact that the only example you could come up with is something that was started 80 years ago and discontinued 50 years ago speaks volumes. The distrust has nothing to do with any current institutional practice. It is the result of indoctrination from "leaders" promoting a political agenda.

It's not a coincidence that the first 2 injections, nationally televised, went to black direct care health workers. Based on the stated priorities, Kamala Harris probably won't be getting one soon, but that shouldn't keep her from making a public statement of her intention to do so.

[Jonathan Carone]

One of the things I find interesting is the people who praised Trump for getting a vaccine completed are the same people who aren’t going to take that vaccine because it’s some deep state conspiracy and not safe. I'm completely understanding of people waiting a few months to see if it's safe (I'm in that camp) but I don't get the anti-vax crowd.

[paradox]

I'm live and let live on that one.

[olldflame]

Wait and see? That's why they do the trials. Over 70,000 people have taken this with zero serious complications.