[R i]

Im not saying it isn't a possibility that Gill is the coach next year, but he's basically an interim right now. Better to have him right now than fire him and not get who we want when they get into their off season and wind up tied to a 4 year contract with our 3rd choice.

This sounds logical.

Especially since there has been no "vote of confidence" in Gill by admin. They did it last year, why not this year ?

[Jonathan Carone]

The current DBs may be more athletic and able to make sexier plays, but they play for the highlight way too much instead of making the solid defensive play.

[flamehunter]

I think we have probably got more talent as a whole than we had under Rocco, but we are not maximizing the talent we do have nearly as well.

[jbock13]

The current DBs may be more athletic and able to make sexier plays, but they play for the highlight way too much instead of making the solid defensive play.

Ding Ding!

I see this throughout college football.

[jinxy]

We are more athletic as a whole as a team but we are not nearly as well coached. The defense is a complete dumpster fire and needs a total overhaul from scheme to personnel. We dont get any pressure up front because we only had 2 legit starters. For whatever reason we cant seem to recruit linebackers that have any other offers. Mckinney was about the only one on the roster that had any other offers and hes gone now. Fast forward and we have no linebacker commits and i dont see any that we are the favorite to land that are def difference makers. You guys already hit the point on the secondary. Nerness ajayo and lewis will probably all come in and start.

Its also a joke if the existing class was used to justify keeping gill. Theres 3 guys there that were big time gets over multiple schools in boozey lewis and west. Then theres three nice pieces like wood yost and harris that we beat out a couple other g5 teams on. Theres 2 with no other offers. Theres a couple that had 1 other fbs and then the rest have a bunch of fcs offers. Ok so thats much better than weve been recruiting but were also jumping up to fbs.

Now i expect them to land ty cormier and robert rhem in the next couple weeks. They are a couple more with 3 or 4 g5 offers.

If they can pick those 2 up and then add ballard, sarrat or lynum, beebee,blaine gibson, kelechi (3 star DE that i cant spell who named us in his top then maybe you can justify it. However thats a lot that has to right to get enough of these kids to matter.

About the best we can hope for is that they can get a bunch more of these kids and help bridge the talent gap and scholly gap. Without a overhaul on defense it probably wont matter anyway.

[rtb72]

Turner had one winning season before Liberty so what did folks expect?

A glimpse of improvement, passion for the win, engagement and motivation of the team....you know, the stuff expected of a HC making 800K

[JK37]

He’s not making $800k

[lawrenceq]

Turner had one winning season before Liberty so what did folks expect?

A glimpse of improvement, passion for the win, engagement and motivation of the team....you know, the stuff expected of a HC making 800K

If you hire a below average coach, don't expect to be an elite team. Turner's best season was 8-6 at Buffalo.

[R i]

Several people have agreed the talent on the roster is better than it was when Rocco was here. So I will repeat, Gill is moving the program forward with the talent pool he is bringing in. I realize there are tons of areas he has fallen short, but to deny the talent he can get to LU is not fair either.

[Purple Haize]

Several people have agreed the talent on the roster is better than it was when Rocco was here. So I will repeat, Gill is moving the program forward with the talent pool he is bringing in. I realize there are tons of areas he has fallen short, but to deny the talent he can get to LU is not fair either.

No. You must admit Gill is a nice guy but an absolutely worthless coach. So let it be written. So let it be done. Don’t you know we are 1 game away from the Karcher Era Redux!

[jinxy]

Absolutely not moving forward. Try much better facilities COA and umlimited recruiting budget that rocco didnt have.

[Jonathan Carone]

Several people have agreed the talent on the roster is better than it was when Rocco was here. So I will repeat, Gill is moving the program forward with the talent pool he is bringing in. I realize there are tons of areas he has fallen short, but to deny the talent he can get to LU is not fair either.

Since you mentioned Tennessee earlier in the thread, I think we're in a similar place as they are: for four straight years, Butch Jones brought in top ten recruiting classes. Yet even with the talent, their record kept getting worse and worse and the performance on the field kept going down as well. Turner Gill is bringing in better and better talent, but our record is getting worse and we're performing worse as well.

So here's my question: is the program moving forward if the production is moving backwards?

My answer to that would be no. There are definitely pieces of the program moving forward (talent and spiritual life are two big ones) but ultimately, the athletic development of players and the leadership/scheme development of the coaches is not getting better. In fact, it's gotten worse. Because of that, the most important results from an overall program standpoint are not moving forward.

Edit to add: I don't want to downplay the talent and spiritual life pieces. Those are two great pieces that we need to constantly be improving. My argument would be that if we're spending this much money on athletics, we can't be happy with an improving spiritual life and a bad record. If spiritual life is the sole barometer of success for our athletics, we need to drop back down a few levels.

[R i]

There are definitely pieces of the program moving forward (talent and spiritual life are two big ones)

The program as a whole, I would say is going backwards. I just wanted to point out the talent piece.

The reason I wanted to point out the talent piece is because I believe recruiting is very important to Ian. This early signing period is new, and Gill could get a Win for the program here. It does not appear he will, but there is still time left and none of us really know what kids we are targeting.

I am under the impression that Ian places a lot of weight of the program health directly on recruiting.

[R i]

Re: Tennessee

LOL

[Liberty22]

Re: Tennessee

LOL

+1

This could be us..

[R i]

We are a long way from chanting "FIRE MCCAW" at a WWE Monday night Raw.

[BigRed1]

Several people have agreed the talent on the roster is better than it was when Rocco was here. So I will repeat, Gill is moving the program forward with the talent pool he is bringing in. I realize there are tons of areas he has fallen short, but to deny the talent he can get to LU is not fair either.

Since you mentioned Tennessee earlier in the thread, I think we're in a similar place as they are: for four straight years, Butch Jones brought in top ten recruiting classes. Yet even with the talent, their record kept getting worse and worse and the performance on the field kept going down as well. Turner Gill is bringing in better and better talent, but our record is getting worse and we're performing worse as well.

So here's my question: is the program moving forward if the production is moving backwards?

My answer to that would be no. There are definitely pieces of the program moving forward (talent and spiritual life are two big ones) but ultimately, the athletic development of players and the leadership/scheme development of the coaches is not getting better. In fact, it's gotten worse. Because of that, the most important results from an overall program standpoint are not moving forward.

Edit to add: I don't want to downplay the talent and spiritual life pieces. Those are two great pieces that we need to constantly be improving. My argument would be that if we're spending this much money on athletics, we can't be happy with an improving spiritual life and a bad record. If spiritual life is the sole barometer of success for our athletics, we need to drop back down a few levels.

Exactly! You can be loaded with top recruits, but if you don’t have a coach capable of coaching them, that’s all you have. A bunch of top recruits who have the potential to become good players.

[R i]

Getting players and retaining the talent we have was deemed really important for the next year. That is a logical explanation.

[Purple Haize]

Getting players and retaining the talent we have was deemed really important for the next year. That is a logical explanation.

I’m glad Gill is staying. But if THAT is why he is staying it’s not a good reason

[Jonathan Carone]

Getting players and retaining the talent we have was deemed really important for the next year. That is a logical explanation.

It’s an incredibly short sighted explanation that no one as good as McCaw would actually use as justification.

[R i]

Along with the money factor, and no candidates we were comfortable in being interested of course.

RE: Tennessee pt. 2

LOL

[BigRed1]

Getting players and retaining the talent we have was deemed really important for the next year. That is a logical explanation.

I’m glad Gill is staying. But if THAT is why he is staying it’s not a good reason

In an earlier post you said Gill was a worthless coach, but now you’re saying you’re glad he’s staying. If you agree that he’s not a very good coach, why do you want him to stay? Kind of a conflicting statement.

[Purple Haize]

Getting players and retaining the talent we have was deemed really important for the next year. That is a logical explanation.

I’m glad Gill is staying. But if THAT is why he is staying it’s not a good reason

In an earlier post you said Gill was a worthless coach, but now you’re saying you’re glad he’s staying. If you agree that he’s not a very good coach, why do you want him to stay? Kind of a conflicting statement.

The post you reference is sarcasm. There are those on this board who go out of their way to point out they feel Gill is a worthless coach. I have never been one of them
Sorry for any confusion

[BigRed1]

The post you reference is sarcasm. There are those on this board who go out of their way to point out they feel Gill is a worthless coach. I have never been one of them
Sorry for any confusion[/quote]
Thanks for the clarification.

[FormerFlameFan]

So you keep a coach - betting on the come that the recruits will flow in. He knows and everyone knows he is a lame duck. What motivation does he have to coach hard to win. You really think recruits will come to this one horse operation and play for a guy who is on life support. Reality.