[thepostman]

Moved this stuff to here

John's Hopkins gathers info from hospitals. The CDC, much like most federal agencies, are slower to update their data. They rarely update it daily.

But even if we use the CDC numbers, that is still more COVID deaths than Flu deaths. I keep seeing people say that there are more flu deaths and then I search for that data and can't find it so if you are able to provide where you are finding that, that would be awesome.

I'm not even trying to be argumantive but maybe I am missing something.

[adam42381]

Here’s a pretty solid source for COVID-19 updates:

https://covidtracking.com/data/us-daily

[thepostman]

Yeah, they are one of my daily checks. I'm such a numbers nerd. Haha

[cruzan_flame13]

Here’s a pretty solid source for COVID-19 updates:

https://covidtracking.com/data/us-daily

From The Atlantic? If you say so

Dr. Jensen from Minnesota explains the situation best in video that he posted. He's being investigated from the Board of Medical Practice in Minnesota for public statements:

From 00:00-13:52( Could only find his video from an outside (Nigerian and Ghanian [not listed])youtube video; can't find it anywhere else)

[thepostman]

@cruzan_flame13 were you able to find the data that shows there have been more flu deaths in every state than COVID deaths?

[Purple Haize]

Yeah, they are one of my daily checks. I'm such a numbers nerd. Haha

When looking at the CDC numbers they do take into account co-morbidities and then a column for JUST COVID numbers. Those JUST COVID numbers are small. I use for State by State comparIson. But let’s be really calculating here and say EVERY death on that list would not have happened if it were not for The Rona. We are at 137k for the US. That’s roughly the population of the Lynchburg and surrounding areas. If you are being cold clinical and logical that’s not too bad. Then look at the Hopkins map where deaths occurred. How ya doin there New York? New Jersey. Masshole.
The argument now has gotten to the point where people are scared to do anything until there’s a 100% guarantee no one could ever possibly get The Rona or possibly ever pass it to someone else. And that’s just not a realistic expectation for a whole host of reasons

**they stopped counting standard flu the first week in April

[cruzan_flame13]

@cruzan_flame13 were you able to find the data that shows there have been more flu deaths in every state than COVID deaths?

I hope you realize that the deaths caused by Covid are separated by death of all causes right(Infkuenza/Pneumonia)? Which actually makes sense when the Director of health in Illinois stated that just because they labeled someone's death certificate as Covid, doesn't mean that they actually died from it. Dr. Fauchi also made the same remark comparing Influenza (A article that I can't recall the name) with Covid. They've made this remarks, so why should I trust JHU's chart of the pandemic?

[Purple Haize]

@cruzan_flame13 were you able to find the data that shows there have been more flu deaths in every state than COVID deaths?

I hope you realize that the deaths caused by Covid are separated by death of all causes right(Infkuenza/Pneumonia)? Which actually makes sense when the Director of health in Illinois stated that just because they labeled someone's death certificate as Covid, doesn't mean that they actually died from it. Dr. Fauchi also made the same remark comparing Influenza (A article that I can't recall the name) with Covid. They've made this remarks, so why should I trust JHU's chart of the pandemic?

Dr Birx said that

[cruzan_flame13]

@cruzan_flame13 were you able to find the data that shows there have been more flu deaths in every state than COVID deaths?

I hope you realize that the deaths caused by Covid are separated by death of all causes right(Infkuenza/Pneumonia)? Which actually makes sense when the Director of health in Illinois stated that just because they labeled someone's death certificate as Covid, doesn't mean that they actually died from it. Dr. Fauchi also made the same remark comparing Influenza (A article that I can't recall the name) with Covid. They've made this remarks, so why should I trust JHU's chart of the pandemic?

Dr Birx said that

Are you sure? I believe it was a new england article stating that Faucet made the statement.

[thepostman]

All I wanted was a link. I am not trying to be argumentative but you made the statement that flu deaths in every state were higher than covid deaths and it could be found on the CDC's website. I have looked and can't find that anywhere on their site. I thought maybe you could provide that link since I can't find it.

[cruzan_flame13]

Did you even look at the link that I sent? Is is showing you death caused by Civid and then death from all causes which includes influenza and pneumonia reports. If you you're aiming for the page to say the the flu is more affected than covid, then don't waste your time. Look at the numbers and even the numbers from each state.

[thepostman]

I was looking at just flu numbers since your original post said that the flu has killed more people this year in every state than COVID has and thought I might have been missing something.

[Class of 20Something]

I do remember doing some math that showed the population group with the majority of deaths (85+) is only 4% higher than their normal average deaths per year.

It's obviously statistically significant but by and large, the majority of people dying would have died anyway of something.

Deaths aren't the only thing to look at, I know. But ignoring that fact is a big deal.

I also recall the CDC showing that pnemonia and flu deaths were dramatically higher than other years. 100% in some cases.

[Purple Haize]

Did you even look at the link that I sent? Is is showing you death caused by Civid and then death from all causes which includes influenza and pneumonia reports. If you you're aiming for the page to say the the flu is more affected than covid, then don't waste your time. Look at the numbers and even the numbers from each state.

The problem with that link is it size influence with or withOUT COVID. There is a COVID only list but not a Pneumonia or Influenza Only list.

[cruzan_flame13]

Did you even look at the link that I sent? Is is showing you death caused by Civid and then death from all causes which includes influenza and pneumonia reports. If you you're aiming for the page to say the the flu is more affected than covid, then don't waste your time. Look at the numbers and even the numbers from each state.

The problem with that link is it size influence with or withOUT COVID. There is a COVID only list but not a Pneumonia or Influenza Only list.

Thats where they made mistake. The death of all causes should be the pneumonia and influenza. If you read the notes, it states that both death rates involving pneumonia and/or influenza had covid included also. So basically people who died from pneumonia, influenza or include both may have also been listed as a covid death while they have stopped counting deaths that were caused by both the flu or pneumonia. Seems like they cannot calculate the amount from both separate, and they just have them bunched together. They've already been issues regarding actual covid deaths in New York, Califorinia, Illinois, Minnesota and Pennsylvania. Who knows who else has been falsely manipulating death certificates in other states.

[flamehunter]

Did you even look at the link that I sent? Is is showing you death caused by Civid and then death from all causes which includes influenza and pneumonia reports. If you you're aiming for the page to say the the flu is more affected than covid, then don't waste your time. Look at the numbers and even the numbers from each state.

The problem with that link is it size influence with or withOUT COVID. There is a COVID only list but not a Pneumonia or Influenza Only list.

Thats where they made mistake. The death of all causes should be the pneumonia and influenza. If you read the notes, it states that both death rates involving pneumonia and/or influenza had covid included also. So basically people who died from pneumonia, influenza or include both may have also been listed as a covid death while they have stopped counting deaths that were caused by both the flu or pneumonia. Seems like they cannot calculate the amount from both separate, and they just have them bunched together. They've already been issues regarding actual covid deaths in New York, Califorinia, Illinois, Minnesota and Pennsylvania. Who knows who else has been falsely manipulating death certificates in other states.

No. The deaths from all causes is literally deaths from ALL causes. You know, cancer, heart disease, auto accidents, murder, suicide...
The deaths from the flu are no more than what's in the next to last column - "Deaths involving Influenza". Many more from Pneumonia and/or Covid than the flu.

[Purple Haize]

There needs to be a differentiation between “Died with COVID” and died “From Covid”. Saying someone who was 85 and had pneumonia and COVID died of COVID seems unhelpful

[Jonathan Carone]

There needs to be a differentiation between “Died with COVID” and died “From Covid”. Saying someone who was 85 and had pneumonia and COVID died of COVID seems unhelpful

Unless COVID caused the pneumonia. Because that's what COVID does.

[Purple Haize]

There needs to be a differentiation between “Died with COVID” and died “From Covid”. Saying someone who was 85 and had pneumonia and COVID died of COVID seems unhelpful

Unless COVID caused the pneumonia. Because that's what COVID does.

Thank you for making my point. That would be someone who died FROM COVID COVID Pneumonia is different than “regular pneumonia “. So you can have pneumonia but not COVID and Vice versa. You can die from pneumonia without COVID and you can die from pneumonia WITH COVID.
With and From are very important delineators.

[olldflame]

Interesting article which suggests that the conventional wisdom espoused by Fauci and other experts that "herd immunity" is not achieved until you reach a 60-70% infection rate is not holding true with Covid-19. At least in some cases, it may be as low as 20%.

[Purple Haize]

I brought up the Cruise ship scenario a long time ago. But does anyone listen to me? No! It’s like you all take pointers from my wife!

[olldflame]

I brought up the Cruise ship scenario a long time ago. But does anyone listen to me? No! It’s like you all take pointers from my wife!

It would also explain the big dropoff in New York (although I wouldn't put it past Coumo to be cooking the numbers.) Current hot spots like FL, AZ and TX aren't close to that number. They also are dealing with something that hasn't been mentioned much. Oppressively hot weather is driving people inside to air-conditioned spaces, where the virus thrives.

[Purple Haize]

If you get bored go back and look for the article I posted about it. Can’t remember everything but it was fascinating that you literally had a closed environment filled with the most at risk demographic and there weren’t mass fatalities or casualties

[LU 57]

Not sure if this is the exact article you are talking about but I have been referencing the Diamond Princess example with people since March. The infection rate was ~40% but then again a cruise ship is obviously very contained and the passengers were mostly elderly.

This thing is so political now, it seems like common sense is gone until after the election unfortunately.

[LU 57]

If you get bored go back and look for the article I posted about it. Can’t remember everything but it was fascinating that you literally had a closed environment filled with the most at risk demographic and there weren’t mass fatalities or casualties

Only 7 deaths out of 1,690 passengers.