[bluejacket]

LU's biggest problem is on defense, not offense.

I think Coach Gill is the one to take program to next level.

LU is just snake-bit in certain areas. Bad officials have hurt LU for years. very seldom do we get a call in a tight game, unless it's obivious off-sides or illegal procedure by other team.

Nick Saban could leave Alabama and come to LU and we'd still get shafted by the refs.

How is the defense the problem, bottom line is if your young then your young, the only thing that will change some of that is experience. Conservative play calling could be an issue as well as injuries. Don't say you can't do if you haven't tried, but I do think things will change for the better.

Prime example of fickle is that you say the problem is not offense. Last week at ISU was that the offense sucked now this week, the offense is great minus the drops. First two weeks of the season it was opposite the defense wasn't the problem it was always another facet. The only facet needs to be handled is ST. Return men hv to either do it or get out the way, cover teams need to cover or be taken off teams.

the reason you CAN blame the coaches is for some the leash is longer than others, and it's the coaches who out the same players back in the field after they continually make the same mistakes on teams.

I think that everyone can agree that all aspects of the team lack sustained consistency in almost everything that we do. In any given game, we can go head to head with almost any FCS team for sixty minutes. But it goes back to the overall mentality of the program: fly by the seat of our pants, don't teach fundamentals in practice, and don't formulate gameplans that maximize our strengths. We had some problems with this under DR, but nothing like under TG.

[flameshaw]

Regardless of who the coach is, I believe you almost have to run an option type of offense with a dual-threat QB to be a consistent power team at this level.
Another thing to consider is that for 40 years our offense has been more effective than our defense, without exception based on my memory. You have to be very good to great on defense to win championships. (Unless you are the 1999 Rams GSOT).

[flameshaw]

LU's biggest problem is on defense, not offense.

I think Coach Gill is the one to take program to next level.

LU is just snake-bit in certain areas. Bad officials have hurt LU for years. very seldom do we get a call in a tight game, unless it's obivious off-sides or illegal procedure by other team.

Nick Saban could leave Alabama and come to LU and we'd still get shafted by the refs.

How is the defense the problem, bottom line is if your young then your young, the only thing that will change some of that is experience. Conservative play calling could be an issue as well as injuries. Don't say you can't do if you haven't tried, but I do think things will change for the better.

Prime example of fickle is that you say the problem is not offense. Last week at ISU was that the offense sucked now this week, the offense is great minus the drops. First two weeks of the season it was opposite the defense wasn't the problem it was always another facet. The only facet needs to be handled is ST. Return men hv to either do it or get out the way, cover teams need to cover or be taken off teams.

the reason you CAN blame the coaches is for some the leash is longer than others, and it's the coaches who out the same players back in the field after they continually make the same mistakes on teams.

I think that everyone can agree that all aspects of the team lack sustained consistency in almost everything that we do. In any given game, we can go head to head with almost any FCS team for sixty minutes. But it goes back to the overall mentality of the program: fly by the seat of our pants, don't teach fundamentals in practice, and don't formulate gameplans that maximize our strengths. We had some problems with this under DR, but nothing like under TG.

Blueboy, glad you have nothing to do with building our athletic teams. Some of the dumbest comments I have ever read.

[flameshaw]

Blaming Liberty's inefficiencies on refs is the definition of stupid.

+1

[SuperJon]

I don't think jacket's comments are that dumb. Gill's practices are nothing like Rocco's. One former player said that camp under Gill is like vacation when compared to camp under Rocco.

[bluejacket]

I am not saying that the staff does everything wrong. They made some great adjustments against Richmond, particularly in the second half. They built an almost perfect gameplan for Stony Brook in 2012 and executed it for a victory. The same could be said in several other games.

But some fundamental errors in playing and coaching keep creeping up in game situations. Some of them occur infrequently, but they appear at the worst possible times. Others have been permanent fixtures for the last three seasons. Those things have to be corrected/adjusted in practice and the film room before we can consistently win close games. Some of the problems have been dealt with and fixed, but others have not or new ones appeared.

[flameshaw]

I would like us to win any close games, (against good/decent competition), consistent close wins only exist in my wildest imagination. Should have been a Cubs fan.

[Purple Haize]

I don't think jacket's comments are that dumb. Gill's practices are nothing like Rocco's. One former player said that camp under Gill is like vacation when compared to camp under Rocco.

Not sure that's a bad thing. Different styles, different teams. I guess you are saying he could be more hard nosed? Does he have assistants who are? I don't see our stamina lacking like I have in the past.
But that's a legitimite difference. And that's something, that if its a concern, can be addressed without axing the coach.
I'm not sure what the issue is saying our defense is going to be hurting with the injuries. I do love me some Kenny Scott though! I think he's stepping well in the Secondary

[givemethemic]

I'm happy for Danny Rocco and I hope that people really appreciate what he did for Liberty Football. I'm the biggest fan of the Rocco family that there is. The good news is all is not lost for this year... I still like our chances to split another Big South Championship for the 4th time in school history with another school and not make the playoffs:) I'm just saving everyone the heartache. I hope that I am wrong, but I already know how this story goes.

[forbidden]

What I don't understand is in general the direction of the offense. With Woody you have a pocket passer who can move, but yet for the most part we still try to pound the rock like we have a 200 plus pound back. Now when they do what they did Saturday, he looks totally different. Find a style, stick with it and fine tune that. I understand having to run the ball and all but we can never seem to get the dirty yards when its 3 n 2 or less by running, our OL continues to get stuffed at times. We recruited it seems 2 dual threat style qbs which means the offense will change a little once SM gets some time. I think the offense as a whole does much better in a wide open spread set instead of the traditional offens

[Purple Haize]

Maybe they saw it and are going to stick with it. Sometimes in practice it doesn't look lIke something will work but you try it in a game and it does. We have not had a game since Richmond to see if that is what we are going to do or not

[Dr. Sheh]

I actually told people at halftime that if Richmond scored the first touchdown of the second half, I was leaving. Luckily it didn't happen, but at that point, I wouldn't have blamed anyone for leaving the game.

I'm just tired of us being average and I don't ever see us doing much more than that under Gill. Everyone I talked to over the weekend gave me more and more insight into the program and he simply doesn't run a good program. By all accounts he's a great dude and a man that deserves to be speaking into college students, but unfortunately he's not a good head coach.

Interesting. Can you tell us a little bit more about some specifics in the bold part or do your sources preclude that? Understand if they do. I tend to agree that Gill is a good person but I am not confident he can ever take us to the next level at this point.

Unfortunately I'm gonna pass for now. I hate to be that guy, but I like my friends talking to me when we see each other.

No worries, thanks. We'll see what happens as the year continues.

[Dr. Sheh]

I'm happy for Danny Rocco and I hope that people really appreciate what he did for Liberty Football. I'm the biggest fan of the Rocco family that there is. The good news is all is not lost for this year... I still like our chances to split another Big South Championship for the 4th time in school history with another school and not make the playoffs:) I'm just saving everyone the heartache. I hope that I am wrong, but I already know how this story goes.

Agreed, I was there for the Karcher years, so I am VERY appreciative of how far Rocco brought us.

[From the class of 09]

I think he's tired of losing and doesn't like the step back we've taken.

Have we taken a step back? To me we seem to be in the exact spot we were when Rocco left.

[R i]

SJ comes to Lynchburg for his one game of the year, talks to a few people (flamefans message board folks), watches us lose in double over time, gets his feelings hurt, and is ready to declare Gill a lame duck coach. It did hurt a little bit more seeing Rocco run on the field after the game, seeing as how SJ is such a Rocco guy.

Take him with a grain of salt after his emotional roller coaster last weekend. The goal is still obtainable.

[PAmedic]

we've now lost all the significant out of conf match-ups that we really needed to win, if only to show that we have a program headed in the right direction.

so no, most of our goals are now unobtainable. again. for yet another season.

I would say ONE of the remaining goals is BARELY obtainable.

winning the BS conference outright is the only possibility at this point.

#FBS READY

[PAmedic]

I think he's tired of losing and doesn't like the step back we've taken.

Have we taken a step back? To me we seem to be in the exact spot we were when Rocco left.

I think some of Rocco's teams were better, actually

[SuperJon]

I think he's tired of losing and doesn't like the step back we've taken.

Have we taken a step back? To me we seem to be in the exact spot we were when Rocco left.

If you're not getting better, you're getting worse. Coastal has passed us, and that alone means we've taken a step back.

[SuperJon]

SJ comes to Lynchburg for his one game of the year, talks to a few people (flamefans message board folks), watches us lose in double over time, gets his feelings hurt, and is ready to declare Gill a lame duck coach. It did hurt a little bit more seeing Rocco run on the field after the game, seeing as how SJ is such a Rocco guy.

Take him with a grain of salt after his emotional roller coaster last weekend. The goal is still obtainable.

That sounds cute and all, except for the whole being wrong part. I don't think I talked to a single person from FF the entire weekend other than flameshaw. I don't have to rely on FF for my information.

[Purple Haize]

I think he's tired of losing and doesn't like the step back we've taken.

Have we taken a step back? To me we seem to be in the exact spot we were when Rocco left.

I think some of Rocco's teams were better, actually

That's a 2 edged sword. If they were better teams, and I'm not saying there were or weren't, than why were the results not better? Which would also mean we currently have a coach doing more with less.

[Purple Haize]

SJ comes to Lynchburg for his one game of the year, talks to a few people (flamefans message board folks), watches us lose in double over time, gets his feelings hurt, and is ready to declare Gill a lame duck coach. It did hurt a little bit more seeing Rocco run on the field after the game, seeing as how SJ is such a Rocco guy.

Take him with a grain of salt after his emotional roller coaster last weekend. The goal is still obtainable.

That sounds cute and all, except for the whole being wrong part. I don't think I talked to a single person from FF the entire weekend other than flameshaw. I don't have to rely on FF for my information.

I know you are a Rocco guy and do take it with a grain of salt. However, I'm certain you have other sources than on this board.

[SuperJon]

Rocco was my coach. I'm not shy about that at all. My feelings have less to do with him beating us (which I expected to happen) and more the overall direction we're heading. We're about to have a three game losing streak to Coastal, something that hasn't happened since 2006.

The only reason I even think we have a chance this weekend is because the game means nothing in terms of playoff chances and we do really well when they playoffs aren't on the line.

[SuperJon]

I think some of Rocco's teams were better, actually

That's a 2 edged sword. If they were better teams, and I'm not saying there were or weren't, than why were the results not better? Which would also mean we currently have a coach doing more with less.

The results were better, especially in 07 and 08. We just didn't have an auto-bid then.

And if Gill was hired to take us to the next level, and we are where we were or worse, isn't it obvious he's failing to live up to expectations?

[Purple Haize]

I think some of Rocco's teams were better, actually

That's a 2 edged sword. If they were better teams, and I'm not saying there were or weren't, than why were the results not better? Which would also mean we currently have a coach doing more with less.

The results were better, especially in 07 and 08. We just didn't have an auto-bid then.

And if Gill was hired to take us to the next level, and we are where we were or worse, isn't it obvious he's failing to live up to expectations?

Auto bid is a cop out. Strength of Schedule killed us those years. Karcher had his faults but playing 2 guarantee games demoralized us. Rocco went the opposite direction. Had we beaten anyone of note our case would have been stronger. We took a huge step backwards there and I think, despite our Brevards, we have a better, more difficult schedule now.
I have no issue with your Rocco Man Love. He was a splash of cold water on the dumpster fire our program was. I'm just as big a Gill fan and think we are doing fine and our patience will pay off.

[ballcoach15]

I liked Rocco when he was at LU, but after he left for Richmond, I don't care for him at all. If Spiders were to go 0-11 I'd be happy. Never liked Richmond before he went there, like them less now. It would be different if he had gone to a D1 big boy school, but he laterally transferred to another FCS school. granted the CAA is bigger than BSC, but it's still FCS,