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By Sly Fox
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To be honest, I never made the connection between Former LU guard Eric Gordon and the Eric Gordon in Indianapolis who is one of the top high school guards in the Class of 2006. But here's a good read from the Indy fishwrap:
TONIGHT ON ESPN2: LAWRENCE NORTH AT NORTH CENTRAL
Give him his due

Often overshadowed by Wildcats' Oden, Panthers' Gordon gets his national TV shot

By Jeff Rabjohns
jeff.rabjohns@indystar.com

It's early Saturday afternoon, and the fast-food bags are spread out on the kitchen counter. Eric Gordon, the oldest of three boys, already has been to practice. Evan, 14, already had a game. Eron, 8, is getting ready for a practice.
"It's another basketball Saturday," Eric Gordon Sr. says, smiling at his trio.
The scene is typical Hoosier, one that plays out in thousands of households each weekend across a basketball-mad state. The eldest son, though, is anything but ordinary.
The North Central High School junior, nicknamed "E.J." for Eric Jr., is considered the best shooting guard in his class, a status no longer even debated after a stellar summer against the rest of the top players in the nation. Tonight he gets his first chance to prove that to a national television audience as the Panthers host Greg Oden and Lawrence North on ESPN2.
In Illinois, they know all about Gordon. His oral commitment to the Illini prompted Champaign News-Gazette columnist Loren Tate, who has been around Illinois athletics since the 1950s, to call Gordon the best recruit in school history. Anticipation of his arrival in the fall of 2007 is so great that several hundred Illinois fans drove to Indianapolis to watch him play in a tournament in December.
In his hometown, though, he hasn't always gotten the attention his talent warrants, the curse of coming along at the same time as Oden, the 7-foot reigning national Player of the Year. Josh McRoberts, now starting for top-ranked Duke as a freshman, suffered a similar fate during his final two seasons at Carmel.
But make no mistake, national talent scout Dave Telep said. Gordon is special.
A starter since his freshman year at a perennial Class 4A power, Gordon is averaging 25.5 points per game this season -- shooting 52 percent from the field and 86 percent from the free throw line -- to go with 3.6 assists, 2.4 steals and 1.2 blocks.
"When he first made his mark, it was as an athletic kid who could shoot the basketball, but his game is a lot more well-rounded now," said Telep, who works for scout.com. "He can create for himself and others off the drive. He can finish. And he's always been able to stick the shot from deep."
Gordon's game has grown through hundreds of these basketball Saturdays, and from constantly being selected to play "up" -- against older players, the best around.
When he was 5, he played on a 7- and 8-year-old team. The past two summers, he was on the same team with Oden, Lawrence North point guard Mike Conley and Dayton (Ohio) Dunbar's Daequan Cook, all one year older and headed to Ohio State. Two summers ago, McRoberts was on the team, too.
"It matured my game at a higher level than other kids my age," Gordon said.
Interestingly, his improvement also can be attributed to his father's greatest failing.

All off the dribble
Eric Gordon Sr., also a North Central basketball standout, played college basketball at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., from 1981-84 in the same conference as Jerome Kersey and Charles Oakley. Two years in a row, Gordon Sr., a 6-2 swingman, finished second by one vote for conference MVP to Kersey, who played 17 years in the NBA.
"I can dribble better now than I could in college," Gordon Sr., 44, said. "If I would have spent more time on dribbling and other aspects, I would be retiring from the NBA because I was athletic and I could score.
"But the game's 94 feet. If you trapped me, I'd throw the ball away."
With that in mind, Gordon Sr. had a plan for young Eric. Coaching his son from third grade through seventh grade in summer leagues, Gordon Sr. made sure Eric didn't lean on shooting. At all.
"All he did was dribble and pass," Gordon Sr. said. "No shots. When I coached him, I didn't want him to shoot a single shot other than a layup."
Dad eventually allowed him to shoot, of course, but the focus remained on learning more than scoring. That's why his father encouraged him to play against older players -- and the son had the talent to do it. He learned to play at a faster pace, to pass into the post, to defend bigger, older players. He gained a fearlessness and ferociousness along the way.
"I just listened to a lot of different people, and playing in AAU and high school, I tried to take things from different players," Gordon said. "For my position, playing a combo guard, they wanted me to play a complete game. I kept experimenting in all those games and kept working at it."
It hasn't all been competitive. His parents also insisted on keeping the game fun.
For all of Eric Jr.'s life the family has lived on Hoover Road on the Northside, across from the Jewish Community Center, where he has played in pickup games for years. When he's not playing against his father and the other top players, he's with kids at the other end of the court, organizing games, even occasionally officiating.
The family could have moved but chose to remain where basketball was only a walk across the street.
Denise Gordon, a Bahamas native who met Eric Sr. at Liberty, laughs at the memories of her eldest son's early days.
"When he was very young, his dad would take him to the JCC and it was dribble, dribble, dribble," she said.
No more.

This is now
Gordon, who turned 17 on Christmas Day, has grown into the basketball body and athleticism coaches and scouts love.
At 6-4 and a chiseled 208 pounds, he's explosive, both horizontally and vertically. He can grab a rebound and go coast-to-coast. He can bust a zone with NBA-range 3-pointers. He can blow by a defender and soar for a thunderous dunk.
"He's got the total package," North Central coach Doug Mitchell said. "He's an extremely competitive person. He's 6-4, extremely powerful, extremely quick.
"He's worked so hard on his game. He's a great shooter. It's so hard to take any one thing away without him punishing you in another area."
Even playing alongside Oden, Conley and Cook on Spiece Indy Heat, Gordon stood out. He was so impressive in July at the Las Vegas Big Time Tournament, considered the summer national championship, that Spiece coach Mike Conley Sr. gave him the tournament title trophy.
"He's a prolific scorer, especially down the stretch of a game," Conley Sr. said. "He's one of the purest shooters I've seen and has such athletic ability to go with his shooting.
"The thing that impresses me the most is, he can play defense and he plays hard from the time he steps on the court until the time he goes to the bench. Sometimes kids that talented, especially scorers, don't play that hard. E.J., he's after it from the time he touches the floor."

Revenge tonight?
Among Gordon's college suitors were in-state schools Indiana, Purdue and Notre Dame, but he narrowed his choices to Illinois and Duke, then settled on the Illini during the fall. That the campus was less than a two-hour drive was important, but more so was how guard Deron Williams and Luther Head led Illinois to the Final Four last spring and then went on to be first-round NBA draft picks.
Illinois coach Bruce Weber sold Gordon on the idea that he would develop along the same lines.
"Coach Weber thinks I could be the best guard that's ever been there, the best guard he's ever coached," Gordon said. "They had two guys last year go to the NBA, two guys I thought were the best at their position.
"With coach Weber saying that, I take it as a compliment."
Some stories about Gordon have even mentioned Carmelo Anthony, who led Syracuse to the national title as a freshman before jumping to the NBA. The buzz about Gordon has gotten so loud that scouts are trying to rein it in.
"We're talking about a kid still in the developmental stages," Telep said.
Nonetheless, close to home the overshadowing continues.
Last Saturday in the title game of the Marion County Tournament, Gordon was plagued by fouls and had an off game, scoring 20 points on 5-for-14 shooting in a 78-55 loss to Lawrence North. Adding insult, a blurb in this week's Sports Illustrated promoting tonight's game erroneously said Mitchell "calls his star center 'the best shot blocker I've seen since Bill Russell' " -- obviously referring to Oden.
Gordon says he's ready for a rematch with his summer teammates.
"I've played against them more than I've played with them," Gordon said. "You're friends, but when you're on the court, you're enemies and everybody plays hard and plays to win."
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VINTAGE "E.J."
• In last season's sectional title game, Eric Gordon scored 21 of his 26 points in the fourth quarter to lead North Central to a stunning 60-53 comeback victory over Josh McRoberts-led Carmel.
• In a May 1 game in Fort Wayne, Ind., Gordon went head-to-head with O.J. Mayo, and forced the No. 1-ranked player in the Class of 2007 into missing his first seven shots. Gordon scored 16 points, including 10 during a decisive run in Indy Spiece's 77-58 win. Mayo finished with 27 points, but most came after the result was decided.
• At the Las Vegas Big Time Tournament in July, Gordon tied for game-high honors with 18 points as Spiece beat Mayo's DI Greyhounds 73-68 to become the first repeat winners of what is considered the summer national championship.
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a ... /601190440

I assume if we aren't already all over the younger boys, we need to commence recruiting them immediately.
By TIMSCAR20
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Sly,

coach Meyer has told me about this kid about a year or so ago. I think he may be high Major and would be awefully difficult for Liberty to get him IMHO. I heard he was pretty good. I haven't read the article you posted yet but I remember hearing about him. I wonder if anyone has spoken to Eric Senior. I didn't know him but I know who he is.
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By bigsmooth
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great find sly! does anyone know if eric left LU on good terms?? the only reason i say that is i would think Sr. would suggest LU to him. i look forward to watching Jr. play. maybe we should locate all former flames and see if their kids are players!
By Indyguest
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You know you hear alllll this crazy texas talk, but Indy is stillll the place for hoops.
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By Sly Fox
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As the article states, he's headed to play for Webber & the Fighting Illini. But there are younger brothers that could still be targets for the future.

Living in Indy, its likely Eric Sr. hasn't been around the program much after graduating. Perhpas falmeshaw or some of the other more mature posters on here can give us a rundown of his game. He still remains one of the school's all-time leading scorers going back to the DII era of the school under Coach Meyer.

As for the Indiana/Texas comment, I'll let it slide since Hoosiers is one of my all-time Top-5 flicks. But the truth is thestate no lopnger stands anywhere as high on the national pecking order. But I'll give them their props nonetheless for this high school alone considering Eric Jr. is teammates with Greg Oden (a name you will be hearing plenty about the year or so)..
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By LU'sbestmanager
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this kid is going to Indiana and guess who recruited him?
By LUconn
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holy cow, where have you been the last 4 months
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By Cider Jim
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this kid is going to Indiana and guess who recruited him?
Jeff Meyer, of course.
Eric Gordon Sr., also a North Central basketball standout, played college basketball at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., from 1981-84 in the same conference as Jerome Kersey and Charles Oakley.
What college teams did Kersey & Oakley play for?
By olldflame
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Kersey played for Longwood when we were rivals in the old D2 Mason-Dixon conference. Kersey and our Cliff Weber had some epic battles, I believe Oakley played for Virginia Union, and they were NOT in the same conference.
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By LU'sbestmanager
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LUconn wrote:holy cow, where have you been the last 4 months
here... lurking :lol: did you miss me?? lol
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By LU'sbestmanager
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olldflame wrote:Kersey played for Longwood when we were rivals in the old D2 Mason-Dixon conference. Kersey and our Cliff Weber had some epic battles, I believe Oakley played for Virginia Union, and they were NOT in the same conference.
that is correct
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By Sly Fox
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Anybody else been amazed by how awesome Eric Jr.s has turned out to be? ESPN is flooding him with crazy comparisons and he's already being touted as the top overall pick in next year's draft. I wonder how Coach McKay is doing working on his little brother? :wink:
In a transcendent state
hoosier hysteria | Already displaying an air of greatness, freshman Gordon is IU royalty

November 23, 2007
BY JIM O'DONNELL jodonnell@suntimes.com


BLOOMINGTON, Ind. -- Eric Gordon has played three regular-season basketball games for the Indiana Hoosiers.

Already, he has cleansed Lake Michigan of all pollution off Gary-Whiting, raised reading scores at Purdue and convinced Barack Obama to resign as senator from Illinois and move to Muncie to run for mayor.

Later this fall, he will reverse the flow of the White River to aid upstreaming communities, curb entertainment hunger in Fort Wayne and meet with administrators at Notre Dame to help get the football program back on the road to .400.

One month shy of his 19th birthday, Gordon is a king. He can do anything.

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Eric Gordon averaged 28 points in his first three games for Indiana, which comes to the Sears Centre tonight. But in Illinois, he's still known for decommitting to the Illini in favor of Kelvin Sampson.
(AP)
Deeper, part of the truth of the matter is that Sampson went to quick and extraordinary lengths to tilt the possession arrow toward Gordon's home-state university. In one of his first moves at Indiana, Sampson hired veteran assistant Jeff Meyer, who was head coach at the late Jerry Falwell's Liberty University in Virginia during the early 1980s when Eric Gordon Sr. -- the prodigy's father -- played there.

Sampson also brought along Ray McCallum as an assistant from Oklahoma. McCallum and Gordon Sr. were longtime compatriots from their time as prep basketball competitors in central Indiana. Sampson also hired Travis Steele, 23, as video coordinator. Steele served as one of Gordon Jr.'s AAU coaches. The channel for adolescent change was set.
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By Hold My Own
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Not really that amazed...after watching him on ESPN last year I realized he's the real deal....he put on a REAL show
By kentuckywildcats
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no slight on eric gordon, but i'd take kevin love or derrick rose with the #1 and #2 pick in the nba draft, could flip depending on the team...
By SuperJon
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Of course, something involving LU and shuk takes other people.
By TIMSCAR20
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Coach Meyer told me both of EJ's little brothers are really good too. The youngest may be the best but I think he is only 12 or something like that. I would take EJ over anyone right now though. He is unstoppable right now.
By kentuckywildcats
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it doesn't really have anything to do with rather he has LU connections or not. eric gordon is just a scoring guard, derrick rose is a pass first PG who makes all his teammates better and he can take over the game as a scorer when needed. how could you pass on the next jason kidd with a considerably better scoring repertoire? any GM would be a fool to pass up on him, unless they needed a legit big man (which there will be if the freshmen go to the nba) or they thought gordon was the next MJ.
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By Sly Fox
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EJ is a playmaking 2-guard who scores in bunches. I know I could easily pass on a Jason Kidd for a D-Wade.
By TDDance234
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At this point, to me, it's a 42-way tie for the #1 pick next year.

I've NEVER seen this many college freshman as good as they are right now.

Beasley, Love, Rose, Gordan, Flynn and Green, Singler, Mayo, Koufas, etc...
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TDDance234 wrote:At this point, to me, it's a 42-way tie for the #1 pick next year.

I've NEVER seen this many college freshman as good as they are right now.

Beasley, Love, Rose, Gordan, Flynn and Green, Singler, Mayo, Koufas, etc...
flynn isn't top lottery material yet, neither is singler (in comparison to the rest of the freshman in my opinion), and Mayo is a criminal and a team chemistry killer in the making.

i've only found one nba draft resource (espn.com) that has eric gordon top 5. espn.com, nbadraft.net (which by the time the draft roles around, it's generally pretty close to the actual results), draftexpress.com, hoopshype.com, mynbadraft.com, nbadraftpress.com, hoopsaddict.com, and hoopsvibe.com all have derrick rose top 3.

the real great thing about this talented freshman class is that a lot of them might actually stay in college for more than one year. with all the talent, some of these top notch players aren't going to go as high in the draft as they would in every other year, so a lot of the top freshmen might elect to stay and go in when the talent pool isn't as great - which is good for the college game. on the other hand, if a lot of them elect to go to the nba, some of the teams that make the playoffs will be able to get some pretty decent players later in the first round, so like the #20 pick won't be the typical #20 pick who doesnt amount to much, he could very well be a solid nba player...
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By DeathCab4LU
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i'm from Indy and I got so see Eric play in High School and he is amazing....
By grm
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I believe I saw him on some clips the other night, and he looked fantastic.
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By DeathCab4LU
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dang it IU lost to Xavier... :x
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By RagingTireFire
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Gone.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3329631
Indiana freshman guard Eric Gordon is leaving the Hoosiers for the NBA, according to a report from the Indianapolis Star.

The Big Ten's leading scorer and conference freshman of the year will become the fifth of Indiana's regular starters to leave the program, handing new coach Tom Crean a clean slate heading into his inaugural season with the Hoosiers.
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By Sly Fox
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No surprise there. Hopefully his next oldest brother spends some time in LU gear like dear old dad somewhere down the road.
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