[LUconn]

[i've seen where 22's bounce off of people...

please tell me where you have seen that.

[LUconn]

I probably would have thrown a chair at him at least. Hey, it would buy you a second or 2. Maybe they had the kind attached to the floor though.

[4everfsu]

I hate to tell you but a 22 he was using was probably using long range or even hollow points, they will not bounce off you. As a matter of fact a 22 slug is just as dangerous then a 9mm, for the fact once inside your body, say chest area, it does more damage internally because of it capability of bouncing around inside causing damage, internally bleeding,etc. People can die just as easy from a 22 slug as a 9 mm.

[4everfsu]

Four guys rushing at you, you maybe surprised if they came up on you, but with say two loaded pistols, you are talke around 25 to 30 bullets, all it takes is one per person. Heck all you have to do is shoot them in the knees if you want to and your heroes are stopped.

It would be easy to load a pistol he has, put in under your arm with the loaded pistol, hit the clip release, insert a loaded clip if the has the clip easily available to his free hand. and he is ready to go, once he pull the slide back.

[RubberMallet]

and then those with a plan of action, you are sitting in a classroom, someone opens the door and put a slug in your professor's head. Now I can hear someone saying lets rush him, but that time you are stunned and slow to react based on what you just seen and heard, you maybe asking you, is this a skit, etc

i understand from that perspective...i'd probably freeze too....it just seemed like enough time went by where i you could of gathered yourself...

i'm also not sayin that these people or cowards or anything either.....

[RubberMallet]

[i've seen where 22's bounce off of people...

please tell me where you have seen that.

a guy at the local gun range was shot in the leg with a 22. bounced right off him...he was wearing carhart jeans....it was also on cops a while back....this huge fat guy got shot in a driveby....it hit him in the side and fell to the ground...probably misfires but still....it happens

[4everfsu]

I am not saying anyone is a coward, by the time students realized what was happening it was too late. Some students in the Norris Hall building thoughts the gunshot was the construction jack hammers going off, but they time they realize it was too late.
The gunman had a plan and suprise on his side, the students, people there were at a disadvantage

[LUconn]

so this guy was wandering around in the target area of a shoot range. cool.

[RubberMallet]

I hate to tell you but a 22 he was using was probably using long range or even hollow points, they will not bounce off you. As a matter of fact a 22 slug is just as dangerous then a 9mm, for the fact once inside your body, say chest area, it does more damage internally because of it capability of bouncing around inside causing damage, internally bleeding,etc. People can die just as easy from a 22 slug as a 9 mm.

thats if it gets shot into your skull....they don't bounce around your abdominal area....i'm not saying they cna't die from 22 shots but i'd much rather be shot with a 22 than a 9mm. ask any cop....

PROBABLY using hollowpoints or long range?.....who knows...he PROBABLY could of been using kmart specials for all we know....

[RubberMallet]

so this guy was wandering around in the target area of a shoot range. cool.

this place is ridiculous....they've shut it down numerous times because its an unsupervised range....you go out to check targets and people start shooting when you are standing out there.....

i won't even go shoot clay pigeons there anymore...

[4everfsu]

Maybe if the 22 slug was a short and was an old shell, powder was old therefore not much velocity, but I would not swear off getting shot by a 22 as nothing. I know a vet who got shot about 30 years ago by a jealous girlfriend who was drunk, with one 22 slug, in his stomach, he died of internally bleeding before any medical action could save his life.

Dont tell me a 22 slug will not bounce around ask any ER doctor who has worked gunshot wounds.

[RubberMallet]

It would be easy to load a pistol he has, put in under your arm with the loaded pistol, hit the clip release, insert a loaded clip if the has the clip easily available to his free hand. and he is ready to go, once he pull the slide back.

actually do this if you actually own a firearm and tell me how long it took...at least 7-8 seconds...also tell me how great your aim is going to be with the other pistol at that point...you are going to be able to kill 3-4 people ...you are concentrating on aiming and reloading as fast as you can....sorry luck ain't on yourside with that one....

but once agian this is all fantasy at this point...

[RubberMallet]

Maybe if the 22 slug was a short and was an old shell, powder was old therefore not much velocity, but I would not swear off getting shot by a 22 as nothing. I know a vet who got shot about 30 years ago by a jealous girlfriend who was drunk, with one 22 slug, in his stomach, he died of internally bleeding before any medical action could save his life.

Dont tell me a 22 slug will not bounce around ask any ER doctor who has worked gunshot wounds.

i've heard it bounce around heads and ribcages....but not to the point wear its a pinball....my brother's bestfriend's dad is a er surgeon for a local hospital i'll ask him what he's seen.....

i'm not taking awya from its effect but give me the choice i'll go up against 22 over 9mil anyday...

[4everfsu]

It is not going to take 7 to 8 seconds to load an semi automatic pistol. Sorry to disappoint you. It is do able as evident from the scene yesterday

[jcmanson]

You guys are going crazy with this. I know this is all fiction, and nobody is calling anyone a coward, but all of you guys' imaginations are insane!

I've heard stories where people didn't even know what was going on until he came into their room, and starting shooting people. I'm not going to run at some guy with who knows how many guns he has, and try to take him out. Once he leaves, if you didn't get shot there were maybe 3 or 4 at most in one room. Some girls. You are just trying to get yourself together, and he comes back ready to shoot again. No way you could be at a point to over take him. It sounds like he would go in a room, unload both of his guns in there, leave the room, reload in the hallway, go in another room and unload his guns there, etc.

Unless there were people in the hallways that saw what was going on, and they could take him out, then noone has a chance to. I'm pretty sure if he saw someone in the hallway, by time they would have gotten to him, he would have at least had one bullet ready for them.

[RubberMallet]

It is not going to take 7 to 8 seconds to load an semi automatic pistol. Sorry to disappoint you. It is do able as evident from the scene yesterday

with only 1 hand free?.... who are you roy rogers?

[RubberMallet]

You guys are going crazy with this. I know this is all fiction, and nobody is calling anyone a coward, but all of you guys' imaginations are insane!

I've heard stories where people didn't even know what was going on until he came into their room, and starting shooting people. I'm not going to run at some guy with who knows how many guns he has, and try to take him out. Once he leaves, if you didn't get shot there were maybe 3 or 4 at most in one room. Some girls. You are just trying to get yourself together, and he comes back ready to shoot again. No way you could be at a point to over take him. It sounds like he would go in a room, unload both of his guns in there, leave the room, reload in the hallway, go in another room and unload his guns there, etc.

Unless there were people in the hallways that saw what was going on, and they could take him out, then noone has a chance to. I'm pretty sure if he saw someone in the hallway, by time they would have gotten to him, he would have at least had one bullet ready for them.

probably

[4everfsu]

I leave it to you the gun expert, not going to try and tell you anymore

[El Scorcho]

Semi automatic, excuse me information police

There's a big difference between auto and semi-auto and what they're capable of, so it's important to get technical details right. A semi-auto is limited by the capability of the person firing the weapon. A full automatic handgun would average around 8 rounds per second with one pull of the trigger. In other words, with a 15 round clip, 2 seconds per clip. Even an automatic weapon only capable of burst firing would fire 3 rounds per pull, which would significantly lessen the time required to empty a clip.

I made the point because the media often uses weapons terms without regard. Automatic, semi-automatic, assault weapon, etc. It's important that people who understand the difference use the correct terms so that ignorance won't foster more ignorance.

It is not going to take 7 to 8 seconds to load an semi automatic pistol. Sorry to disappoint you. It is do able as evident from the scene yesterday

Are we talking about re-loading a clip or just shoving a clip in? It just took me around 7 seconds to swap clips and rack the slide in my 9mm.

[FlameDad]

Anyone that has a little practice can reload a semi in under 2 seconds.
You don't rack the slide on reload
A factory 9mm load will deliver multiple times the energy of any 22 rd.
No one with any training would attempt to shoot 2 pistols at the same time a la John Wayne.

[RubberMallet]

Anyone that has a little practice can reload a semi in under 2 seconds.
A factory 9mm load will deliver multiple times the energy of any 22 rd.
No one with any training would attempt to shoot 2 pistols at the same time a la John Wayne.

thank you...i'm with ya on reload times but this guy either didn't use the 22 or was in the movie equilibrium

Are we talking about re-loading a clip or just shoving a clip in? It just took me around 7 seconds to swap clips and rack the slide in my 9mm.

thank you....one handed or 2 handed...

[El Scorcho]

You don't rack the slide on reload

That's a good point. I was obviously practicing empty, and two handed. I'm also not very practiced, which is probably not a good thing. I think a couple of seconds is certainly doable, but I doubt he was pulling it off. Not with so much going on, and especially not if he was taking turns between wielding his two weapons.

[JDUB]

ok, you figure he shoots 15 rounds... everyone still alive is on the floor or hiding behind something. then he drops the clip and grabs another, sticks it in and racks the slide... which doesn't take long, esp. if the slide hangs open after the last shot you just mash the lever... thats how my pistol does.
but anyway, say 7 seconds to reload. if your hiding behind something, you think from the time the last shot goes off, your gonna realize that he's out and reloading, get up and charge before he's back shooting? oh, and don't forget, didn't he have two guns? so he's gonna see you coming, grab his other one and your dead... yeah, i'm not gonna be charging him. only chance of that is if you could get his back

[jcmanson]

ok, you figure he shoots 15 rounds... everyone still alive is on the floor or hiding behind something. then he drops the clip and grabs another, sticks it in and racks the slide... which doesn't take long, esp. if the slide hangs open after the last shot you just mash the lever... thats how my pistol does.
but anyway, say 7 seconds to reload. if your hiding behind something, you think from the time the last shot goes off, your gonna realize that he's out and reloading, get up and charge before he's back shooting? oh, and don't forget, didn't he have two guns? so he's gonna see you coming, grab his other one and your dead... yeah, i'm not gonna be charging him. only chance of that is if you could get his back

Exactly what I'm thinking

[El Scorcho]

esp. if the slide hangs open after the last shot you just mash the lever... thats how my pistol does.

All semi's do that, as FlameDad so astutely pointed out. Racking the slide was a mistake on my part since I was practicing with empty clips. Shows how long it's been since I've been out to practice.

yeah, i'm not gonna be charging him. only chance of that is if you could get his back

I agree. I just think most people's instinct is to run. There's always someone who will step up, and I think that we're seeing that in this case some people did sacrifice for others. I just don't think the average person is going to try to take him. Instinct says run, and I'm sure a lot of people tried to, only to find the chained doors.