[Purple Haize]

The person who is emotionally or personally attached to this coach is taking my view personally. He can’t handle the truth and results in a dishonest point of view.

I’m not taking your pov personally at all. I’m not emotionally or personally attached to AS. You just don’t seem to grasp someone else’s opinion that differs from you could be valid.
They teach this in Upward Coaching manuals I think (still hoping I can latch on to a team)
Assistant Coaches make suggestions
Head Coaches make decisions
That’s a tremendous difference. AS is going from the Suggestion role to the Decision role. In every aspect

[ECC29]

Again, the assistant coach sees the players, initiate the contact with players he recommends tot he head coach. He has great responsibility of the players they brought in. Are you suggesting that the head coach was responsible for the poor players they have now? Is this really your view?

[ECC29]

The person who is emotionally or personally attached to this coach is taking my view personally. He can’t handle the truth and results in a dishonest point of view.

I’m not taking your pov personally at all. I’m not emotionally or personally attached to AS. You just don’t seem to grasp someone else’s opinion that differs from you could be valid.
They teach this in Upward Coaching manuals I think (still hoping I can latch on to a team)
Assistant Coaches make suggestions
Head Coaches make decisions
That’s a tremendous difference. AS is going from the Suggestion role to the Decision role. In every aspect

I have been making my own personal opinion in various areas of the athletic programs. It is you that chimes in and cut down my opinions. I have my own perspective and my perspective points out the facts. It is you that are turning the facts around because you really cannot handle the truth.

[Purple Haize]

The person who is emotionally or personally attached to this coach is taking my view personally. He can’t handle the truth and results in a dishonest point of view.

I’m not taking your pov personally at all. I’m not emotionally or personally attached to AS. You just don’t seem to grasp someone else’s opinion that differs from you could be valid.
They teach this in Upward Coaching manuals I think (still hoping I can latch on to a team)
Assistant Coaches make suggestions
Head Coaches make decisions
That’s a tremendous difference. AS is going from the Suggestion role to the Decision role. In every aspect

I have been making my own personal opinion in various areas of the athletic programs. It is you that chimes in and cut down my opinions. I have my own perspective and my perspective points out the facts. It is you that are turning the facts around because you really cannot handle the truth.

You think the Assistant Coach decides who to sign and not sign. Not sure how that is a Fact. But you do you
I simplified it for you. Assistant Coaches make Suggestions. Head Coaches make decisions. That is 100% true in recruiting. An Assistant can go after a player. Do everything they can to get a signature. But if the coach doesn’t want to offer than there isn’t much they can do. I know HCCG did ALOT of recruiting himself because he looked for a particular type of player
Again, I don’t know how good of a HC AS will be. I like some of the things I’ve seen on the floor. I like what I have seen on the bench. I have no illusions that this is an NCAA Tournament team. I’m also under no illusions that he recruited every player on the roster. I’m not sure he will get an opportunity to put his stamp on a Team here at LU but. I know I have not seen any big red flags so far that he would not do a good job

[ECC29]

I will simplify it for you. The assistant coach recruits and brings the players to the table for the head coach to choose. The assistant coach still has a great impact with the players he brings the team. The head coach is limited to the players the assistant coach brings to the table. It is the assistant coach that initially determines the players he believes can play for the team. If he chooses for example 7 players, then he believes those 7 players can play for the team. The head coach is only limited to the 7 players he chooses to sign because the assistant coach or the head of recruiting brings those players to him. I don’t understood you can twist the facts. As I said, you are dishonest with your narratives.

[ECC29]

Then, the head coach may sign 4 out of the 7 players presented to him. It is still on that assistant coach.

[Purple Haize]

Im not sure thats how they do it in Upwards. They lll have to check the manual
You act as though the HC has limited power in recruiting and that simply isnt the case. Some coaches exert a lot of control in who they bring in. They decide who to sign and who not to. Their system determines the style and type of players the AC’s recruit. AC’s present players, absolutely never said they didnt. But the HC sets the tone and makes the decision. Some head coaches also are a lot more involved in recruiting than others. That has been the case at LU for 20 years or so. The AC needs to convince the HC that any player the want fits the HC system. Granted ive never coached in CUSA but i have stayed at a Holiday In. Once or twice and seen videos.

[ECC29]

I don’t act like that HC has no active role. But you cannot take away the responsibility from this coach because it would have to him that initially sees the players and makes the decisions to bring that player to the table for the HC to make a decision. He absolutely have a lot of decisions with the player being recruited. Are you saying that it was Green’s sole responsibility for the players they have now?

[Purple Haize]

I’m saying a HC makes the final decision. I’m say CG was very involved in recruiting and was the sole contact for many players on the roster. Several players were ones he identified and he wanted and he pursued because they fit his style.

[thecomeback]

I don’t act like that HC has no active role. But you cannot take away the responsibility from this coach because it would have to him that initially sees the players and makes the decisions to bring that player to the table for the HC to make a decision. He absolutely have a lot of decisions with the player being recruited. Are you saying that it was Green’s sole responsibility for the players they have now?

Would you be able to admit that your own personal bias may be clouding your judgment on this one? I've followed this forum for years and have found a lot of the loyal members are pretty plugged into what is going on. And from what I saw, CG, was extremely hands on with the recruiting.

You haven't wanted to give AS a chance since he got the job so it's nearly impossible to put any value in your opinion on this.

[ECC29]

First, I have no personal bias. There is no one to be bias to. Other people wanted to argue that the current head coach who was I charge of recruiting during Green’s tenure had no had no responsibility for the players he has now. That is an ignorant viewpoint.
I watched this head coach this year so far, and he showed a lot of poor decisions during game time. I have a difficult time trusting his coaching ability.
With your virwpoint, are you saying Green was solely responsible for the players now? I asked this question to Purple Haize and he refused to answer this question.

[Purple Haize]

Every Staff does things differently. HCCG was VERY hands on and involved with recruiting. He wanted certain types of players That should be apparent to anyone observing. Thats neither a good or bad thing. He was pretty successful doing it that way. AS is a different coach looking for different types players. He was able to bring some of them in suring his tenure but at the end of the day he wasn’t the one making decisions.
I have seen a lot of positive signs from AS. Enough to remove the Interim label? I dunno. I sense more is at play here behind the scenes

[Purple Haize]

First, I have no personal bias. There is no one to be bias to. Other people wanted to argue that the current head coach who was I charge of recruiting during Green’s tenure had no had no responsibility for the players he has now. That is an ignorant viewpoint.
I watched this head coach this year so far, and he showed a lot of poor decisions during game time. I have a difficult time trusting his coaching ability.
With your virwpoint, are you saying Green was solely responsible for the players now? I asked this question to Purple Haize and he refused to answer this question.

No. I answered your question you just didn’t like the answer. So again…
The HC makes the final decision on any recruit. The HC makes the final decision on the types of players they want to bring in. Some head coaches are pretty hands off in recruiting. Coach Green was VERY hands on. The bulk of the players on this years roster were the prototypical players Coach Green looked for. There are a few who are not. For all intents and purposes this is a Cary Green roster.

[Baybird]

First, I have no personal bias. There is no one to be bias to. Other people wanted to argue that the current head coach who was I charge of recruiting during Green’s tenure had no had no responsibility for the players he has now. That is an ignorant viewpoint.
I watched this head coach this year so far, and he showed a lot of poor decisions during game time. I have a difficult time trusting his coaching ability.
With your virwpoint, are you saying Green was solely responsible for the players now? I asked this question to Purple Haize and he refused to answer this question.

No. I answered your question you just didn’t like the answer. So again…
The HC makes the final decision on any recruit. The HC makes the final decision on the types of players they want to bring in. Some head coaches are pretty hands off in recruiting. Coach Green was VERY hands on. The bulk of the players on this years roster were the prototypical players Coach Green looked for. There are a few who are not. For all intents and purposes this is a Cary Green roster.

It's not like you really knew how recruiting went with CG...if you had family members that played for him, then...wait, you did! Never mind!!!

[Purple Haize]

First, I have no personal bias. There is no one to be bias to. Other people wanted to argue that the current head coach who was I charge of recruiting during Green’s tenure had no had no responsibility for the players he has now. That is an ignorant viewpoint.
I watched this head coach this year so far, and he showed a lot of poor decisions during game time. I have a difficult time trusting his coaching ability.
With your virwpoint, are you saying Green was solely responsible for the players now? I asked this question to Purple Haize and he refused to answer this question.

No. I answered your question you just didn’t like the answer. So again…
The HC makes the final decision on any recruit. The HC makes the final decision on the types of players they want to bring in. Some head coaches are pretty hands off in recruiting. Coach Green was VERY hands on. The bulk of the players on this years roster were the prototypical players Coach Green looked for. There are a few who are not. For all intents and purposes this is a Cary Green roster.

It's not like you really knew how recruiting went with CG...if you had family members that played for him, then...wait, you did! Never mind!!!

Ha. Thank you for the compliment. Actually didn’t have any family members that played for him. But I do have long time connections with the program and every coach they’ve had.

[ECC29]

First, I never had any family members or even friends played for Green. But I am vested in LU especially in the athletic program.
About two years ago, I made comments for Green to be replaced because of his inability to recruit higher level players. Since LU decided to move up in level to CUSA, it required a coach that can bring in higher level athletes. I would like to see the team win past round 1 in the NCAA tournament. I guess there are some that are satisfied with losing right away. You have been the biggest critic with my viewpoint. You wrote a lot of long winded statements attacking and criticizing me how wrong I was for suggesting such thing. You wrote long winded statements supporting how Green was the best man for the job and the great players that came because of him. Now, you threw Green under the bus in order to save this current coach. Green is now responsible for the low level players or as you say, the prototype players Green recruits after you defended his ability? The same “prototype players” I have been making statements about that were not good enough to beat high level teams. You are showing your contradictions. You are not honest in your statements.
The very fact that you closely tied tot his current coach does not make you an objective observer.

[Purple Haize]

You must have me confused with someone else. You claim statements I never made. You continue to claim I have personal ties to AS when I have said several times I do not. How have I thrown Coach Green under the bus? I said he recruited players that fit his system. Those players are still on the roster. If anyone is showing contradictions and irrationality it’s you. So I will just leave you to it and wallow in your own stew

[Humble_Opinion]

First, I never had any family members or even friends played for Green. But I am vested in LU especially in the athletic program.
About two years ago, I made comments for Green to be replaced because of his inability to recruit higher level players. Since LU decided to move up in level to CUSA, it required a coach that can bring in higher level athletes. I would like to see the team win past round 1 in the NCAA tournament. I guess there are some that are satisfied with losing right away. You have been the biggest critic with my viewpoint. You wrote a lot of long winded statements attacking and criticizing me how wrong I was for suggesting such thing. You wrote long winded statements supporting how Green was the best man for the job and the great players that came because of him. Now, you threw Green under the bus in order to save this current coach. Green is now responsible for the low level players or as you say, the prototype players Green recruits after you defended his ability? The same “prototype players” I have been making statements about that were not good enough to beat high level teams. You are showing your contradictions. You are not honest in your statements.
The very fact that you closely tied tot his current coach does not make you an objective observer.

CG won at every level he coached at here during his time. Your comment (bold/underlined) is baffling to me. The MBB team struggled their first season in CUSA. The WBB did not, making it to the Championship game where they lost to a better MTSU team that has dominated CUSA for years. CG literally came back the next year (his last) and ran through the CUSA and did to MTSU what they did to us in the previous year. Did he win the 1st round game in the tournament? No. But he scared the hell out of UK fans and nearly pulled off the upset. You can't be upset about that and say he wasn't a good recruiter when his team kept up with a legit Top 20 SEC team on the biggest stage.

[Humble_Opinion]

Every Staff does things differently. HCCG was VERY hands on and involved with recruiting. He wanted certain types of players That should be apparent to anyone observing. Thats neither a good or bad thing. He was pretty successful doing it that way. AS is a different coach looking for different types players. He was able to bring some of them in suring his tenure but at the end of the day he wasn’t the one making decisions.
I have seen a lot of positive signs from AS. Enough to remove the Interim label? I dunno. I sense more is at play here behind the scenes

AS has already shown that he's a different coach with differing viewpoints and philosophies as CG. The roster was in place already once CG retired, so this current team is still very CG-centric. I would have loved for this team to have been able to keep Brooke Moore and Asia Boone. Brooke in particular has seen her stats improve this season tremendously with the starter minutes she's getting at SJU. Asia is avg 10+ ppg on starter's minutes on a top 10 UK squad. The idea that CG couldn't recruit is ridiculous.

Regarding AS, time will tell. Given the timing of when things were announced, it almost felt like CG and AS had worked out a deal to basically back Ian into a corner and force him to give AS a shot. That's just my gut feeling that is based on nothing concrete. The depth of the current team though is a problem. Emmie and Avery are for the most part the offense. If Ify continues to develop she could join that group and provide some additional firepower. Everyone else is hot/cold or just straight cold. Peters in particular seems to be a little lost out there. She's a fouling machine and plays into the defense when she's in the paint too much. Adding depth at that position will be important moving forward.

[ECC29]

You must have me confused with someone else. You claim statements I never made. You continue to claim I have personal ties to AS when I have said several times I do not. How have I thrown Coach Green under the bus? I said he recruited players that fit his system. Those players are still on the roster. If anyone is showing contradictions and irrationality it’s you. So I will just leave you to it and wallow in your own stew

Oh I am not confused. You are a liar. You are absolutely one of the people that criticized me. You supported Green heavily that he did well with recruiting. I keep saying he recruited the same level of players. Now this team is showing low level athleticism for most part. Now you are pinning it on Green. Absolutely you are contradicting. You know it and I know it.

[ECC29]

First, I never had any family members or even friends played for Green. But I am vested in LU especially in the athletic program.
About two years ago, I made comments for Green to be replaced because of his inability to recruit higher level players. Since LU decided to move up in level to CUSA, it required a coach that can bring in higher level athletes. I would like to see the team win past round 1 in the NCAA tournament. I guess there are some that are satisfied with losing right away. You have been the biggest critic with my viewpoint. You wrote a lot of long winded statements attacking and criticizing me how wrong I was for suggesting such thing. You wrote long winded statements supporting how Green was the best man for the job and the great players that came because of him. Now, you threw Green under the bus in order to save this current coach. Green is now responsible for the low level players or as you say, the prototype players Green recruits after you defended his ability? The same “prototype players” I have been making statements about that were not good enough to beat high level teams. You are showing your contradictions. You are not honest in your statements.
The very fact that you closely tied tot his current coach does not make you an objective observer.

CG won at every level he coached at here during his time. Your comment (bold/underlined) is baffling to me. The MBB team struggled their first season in CUSA. The WBB did not, making it to the Championship game where they lost to a better MTSU team that has dominated CUSA for years. CG literally came back the next year (his last) and ran through the CUSA and did to MTSU what they did to us in the previous year. Did he win the 1st round game in the tournament? No. But he scared the hell out of UK fans and nearly pulled off the upset. You can't be upset about that and say he wasn't a good recruiter when his team kept up with a legit Top 20 SEC team on the biggest stage.

I never denied his previous success. I suggested, since LU decided to move up in level and continuously lose in the first round of the NCAA, it’s time to recruit better athletes. The athletes CG recruited were not winning against higher level schools. I’d like to see the program rise up but the athleticism lacked. You could clearly see it when they played against higher level opponents. I have my view and opinion. There are people that agreed with me. As a result, I get attacked by like of Purple Haize. Which is fine by me.

[Purple Haize]

You must have me confused with someone else. You claim statements I never made. You continue to claim I have personal ties to AS when I have said several times I do not. How have I thrown Coach Green under the bus? I said he recruited players that fit his system. Those players are still on the roster. If anyone is showing contradictions and irrationality it’s you. So I will just leave you to it and wallow in your own stew

Oh I am not confused. You are a liar. You are absolutely one of the people that criticized me. You supported Green heavily that he did well with recruiting. I keep saying he recruited the same level of players. Now this team is showing low level athleticism for most part. Now you are pinning it on Green. Absolutely you are contradicting. You know it and I know it.

You are correct. I absolutely criticized you because your solution in every sport is to fire the coach. I’ve always stated that he recruits players that fit his style. That’s just a statement of fact. You are upset because he didn’t recruit players that would fit your style.
You might want to leave the personal insults out and re read my posts about CG and recruiting. You will find you don’t know what you think you do.

[Purple Haize]

Every Staff does things differently. HCCG was VERY hands on and involved with recruiting. He wanted certain types of players That should be apparent to anyone observing. Thats neither a good or bad thing. He was pretty successful doing it that way. AS is a different coach looking for different types players. He was able to bring some of them in suring his tenure but at the end of the day he wasn’t the one making decisions.
I have seen a lot of positive signs from AS. Enough to remove the Interim label? I dunno. I sense more is at play here behind the scenes

AS has already shown that he's a different coach with differing viewpoints and philosophies as CG. The roster was in place already once CG retired, so this current team is still very CG-centric. I would have loved for this team to have been able to keep Brooke Moore and Asia Boone. Brooke in particular has seen her stats improve this season tremendously with the starter minutes she's getting at SJU. Asia is avg 10+ ppg on starter's minutes on a top 10 UK squad. The idea that CG couldn't recruit is ridiculous.

Regarding AS, time will tell. Given the timing of when things were announced, it almost felt like CG and AS had worked out a deal to basically back Ian into a corner and force him to give AS a shot. That's just my gut feeling that is based on nothing concrete. The depth of the current team though is a problem. Emmie and Avery are for the most part the offense. If Ify continues to develop she could join that group and provide some additional firepower. Everyone else is hot/cold or just straight cold. Peters in particular seems to be a little lost out there. She's a fouling machine and plays into the defense when she's in the paint too much. Adding depth at that position will be important moving forward.

Depth is definitely a problem but I think he’s doing the best with what he has. I think you are right that there was coordination in the decision. IMHO CG earned the right to leave on his own terms. It has been rumored that AS was always the Coach in waiting. I’m not sure that’s in the cards anymore.

[ECC29]

You must have me confused with someone else. You claim statements I never made. You continue to claim I have personal ties to AS when I have said several times I do not. How have I thrown Coach Green under the bus? I said he recruited players that fit his system. Those players are still on the roster. If anyone is showing contradictions and irrationality it’s you. So I will just leave you to it and wallow in your own stew

Oh I am not confused. You are a liar. You are absolutely one of the people that criticized me. You supported Green heavily that he did well with recruiting. I keep saying he recruited the same level of players. Now this team is showing low level athleticism for most part. Now you are pinning it on Green. Absolutely you are contradicting. You know it and I know it.

You are correct. I absolutely criticized you because your solution in every sport is to fire the coach. I’ve always stated that he recruits players that fit his style. That’s just a statement of fact. You are upset because he didn’t recruit players that would fit your style.
You might want to leave the personal insults out and re read my posts about CG and recruiting. You will find you don’t know what you think you do.

At first you told me that I was mistaken about you criticizing me and now at least you admit it. Like I said, you contradict yourself and you lie. In the past I called for Jackson from baseball to be replaced because of his poor decision making and cost games over the years. Then, I called to replace the hitting coach from softball because almost every hitter had bad approaches with their swings. I called to replace Green, because like you continuously stated, he had his prototype players he recruited. Obviously, those players were not good enough to compete and win outside the conference. I called for a new coach that can bring in players of higher skills. Look what the team had to deal against SHU. SHU are too athletic and faster than LU’s players that Green and AS recruited. Granted, SHU did not have high level basketball players but they had athleticism and speed.
You went on a rant that I want all the LU athletic coaches fired. You are the delusional one here. It’s not a matter of what players I want. It’s logical to desire better players in the program. Then it needs better coaches or the ones that has the ability to bring the higher level players.