[JK37]

And this is why I don’t understand how anyone can predict some mass exodus from the ACC: the GoR, while it stinks for the schools, keeps coming across as iron-clad. Until shown to be breakable, these schools are staying put.

[Sly Fox]

A judge in North Carolina rules in favor of protecting Tobacco Road and the ACC Cabal against schools from other states. Shocking.

I do find the private equity rumor to be a bit farfetched. PE wants guaranteed return on their investment and I don't see where additional revenue is derived at this stage, I work with PE firms on the regular and this just doesn't smell right.

However the idea that FSU & Clemson could wind up in the Big XII is not crazy talk. Particularly if the buyouts prove in court to be more reasonable. While ESPN currently has incentive for the status quo with the ACC Network to remain in place, the idea of losing its most valuable commodities to their top competitors is not attractive.

[ballcoach15]

If a judge is protecting Tobacco Road, why don't he kick non-tobacco road schools out of the ACC ? Bringing in all those former Big East schools was where ACC began dying.

[thepostman]

You mean Big East schools like Virginia Tech????

You always say the Big East is the reason the conference is dying but if it wasn't for that happening the conference would've died a long time ago.

The truth is, like the PAC-12, the ACC did not forsee the college football landscape changing so much, so fast and because of that they're fighting for their lives.

[ballcoach15]

VT belongs in ACC. What has Louisville, Notre Dame, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Boston College brought to the conference ?

[ATrain]

If a judge is protecting Tobacco Road, why don't he kick non-tobacco road schools out of the ACC ? Bringing in all those former Big East schools was where ACC began dying.

Because that's not how the law works

[thepostman]

VT belongs in ACC. What has Louisville, Notre Dame, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Boston College brought to the conference ?

I already answered this question. They kept the ACC afloat during a time of change. All of them, minus maybe BC, have contributed to the conference over the years. The ACC allowed other conferences to pass them by refusing to change with the times by listening to too many people that have your mindset.

[ATrain]

VT belongs in ACC. What has Louisville, Notre Dame, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Boston College brought to the conference ?

I already answered this question. They kept the ACC afloat during a time of change. All of them, minus maybe BC, have contributed to the conference over the years. The ACC allowed other conferences to pass them by refusing to change with the times by listening to too many people that have your mindset.

Exactly. The PAC-12 and ACC made a HUGE mistake not grabbing Big 12 schools after Texas and Oklahoma left. Had the ACC brought in WVU, Kansas and Kansas State, and made a scheduling alliance with the SEC (think Kansas v. Missouri returning to an annual thing, a Battle at Bristol every year with Virginia Tech, UVA, Tennessee, and Vandy alternating every year, etc...), rather than trusting the B1G to be a partner to provide stability, the conversations happening today would be a lot different.

[JK37]

When has “never change!” Been a strategy for survival? Let alone, thriving.

[ballcoach15]

Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, Louisville came into ACC and won a few football games over VT, Clemson, FSU and Miami, thus costing them higher rankings and probably playoff spots. VT, Clemson, and FSU have to carry flag for ACC football., for conference to be strong, and on par with other conferences.

[TH Spangler]

Sounds like 6 ACC to the B12.

[cruzan_flame13]

Sounds like 6 ACC to the B12.

If that process actually works out, the ACC better connect with the PAC2 and four of the top G5 schools. USF, Tulane, App State, BSU, SDSU, East Carolina, Memphis and hopefully Liberty are their choices.

[ATrain]

Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, Louisville came into ACC and won a few football games over VT, Clemson, FSU and Miami, thus costing them higher rankings and probably playoff spots. VT, Clemson, and FSU have to carry flag for ACC football., for conference to be strong, and on par with other conferences.

Sounds to me like your issue is that VT, Clemson, FSU, and Miami aren't the powerhouses that your mind has built them up to be.

[TH Spangler]

Plus Memphis, Temple, ECU, Liberty in the PAA Most likely App though.

[cruzan_flame13]

Plus Memphis, Temple, ECU, Liberty in the PAA Most likely App though.

Liberty will have to pull a stunt like SMU and put more money into the program in order to even have some talks with the commissioner. Then we have to have the majority of the schools to approve membership, which I doubt will occur (cultural and political differences). The furthest we will likely go is the AAC if they become very desperate like CUSA was, and by that time, that conference will be more of a lateral move. That's just the reality of this business, Unless we have some black mail on some of the presidents of ACC (or whatever the conference will be) schools, we are at the highest we will be in FBS. I had said money talks, but those schools would rather take any other school than us realistically speaking. As @tyndal23 used to say, if the corporation known as the United States of America still exists by then

[LUOrange]

I still have a hard time believing that Clemson and FSU have thrown this big of a hissy-fit to join the Big 12. I still believe that they're heading to the SEC, regardless of what Sankey has said officially. I, also don't care what the B1G has said officially.

[TH Spangler]

Big 22

[ballcoach15]

Too late now, but the NCAA should have put a limit on number of teams a conference can have. These large conferences create unbalanced schedules. For football, every team should play everyone in their conference each season. How can any conference crown a real champion when everyone doesn't play same schedule ?

[JK37]

What is the significance of a conference champion?

What gives the NCAA the right to regulate such a thing?

[ATrain]

What is the significance of a conference champion?

What gives the NCAA the right to regulate such a thing?

The NCAA is the governing body of college athletics for the colleges/conferences that choose to participate in the organization. If the NCAA had said a conference can only have X number of teams, it would've been within their right to do so.

How a conference chooses its champion, the NCAA rightfully delegated that to the conferences.

Ultimately, the NCAA will likely cease to be the major body for college sports in the next 10 years or so. B1G and SEC are likely to break away at some point, with some ACC and Big XII schools in tow.

[Ill flame]

This would explain the recent Florida state to big 12 rumors.

[LUOrange]

This would explain the recent Florida state to big 12 rumors.

I call BS. This means nothing. FSU & Clemson wouldn't have thrown such hissy fits just to move to the B12. The SEC is also not going to publicly admit to tampering. I'm not buying this until proven wrong.

[thepostman]

Not that Florida has as much power in the SEC as it once did but Florida has never wanted anything to do with FSU coming into the SEC. I can't imagine that changing anytime soon.

Currently as things sit the Big 12 is in a much better situation for the future than the ACC so it's really not so crazy in this new world of college athletics.

[JK37]

What is the significance of a conference champion?

What gives the NCAA the right to regulate such a thing?

The NCAA is the governing body of college athletics for the colleges/conferences that choose to participate in the organization. If the NCAA had said a conference can only have X number of teams, it would've been within their right to do so.

How a conference chooses its champion, the NCAA rightfully delegated that to the conferences.

Ultimately, the NCAA will likely cease to be the major body for college sports in the next 10 years or so. B1G and SEC are likely to break away at some point, with some ACC and Big XII schools in tow.

If the NCAA tried to cap the number of members of a conference, a conference would’ve sued and won. The NCAA is powerless, and it’s not the NCAA’s fault.

[Ill flame]