[TH Spangler]

One things for sure ....... this ain't over yet

[LUOrange]

[tyndal23]

If WSU/OSU try and keep PAC 12 alive ( as one of the latest 100 rumors ) by getting x number of top G5 Teams ( I am betting 6 total for a Conference of 8 ). Who would they possibly get to pay the exit fees of current conference and willing to “roll the dice”. I would assume they would approach Boise St., SMU, SDSU,Fresno St, UNLV, and then SMU,UTSA,Memphis, Tulsa, Midwest, and ECU, UConn, USF, and ? East. Assume a streaming deal with Apple or Amazon with a $5 million per school base line and tiered upside based on subscriptions - that could reach $25 million or whatever. What schools would actually gamble just to claim Autonomy P5? I can think of 3 for sure - but starts getting fuzzy after that. SDSU tried to lead the charge already, but got snuffed out pretty quick, but if Apple started working with WSU/OSU to get foot in the door for CF - this is still a possibility. Perhaps Football only is looked at for a UConn if they want a coast to coast. ( I don’t think Apple cares, but if the viewer numbers work best - then coast to coast it is ). Just spitballing and didn’t drill down - but assume no more major expansion consolidation by P5 ( and still leaving Cal/Stanford out of this conference ). If your an AD at these type of schools - do you risk it short term loss vs potential major upside for both longer term $ and P3 consideration in the 2030’s when ACC gets GOR freedom? If you are a small tv market with a nationwide smattering of followers - ( Boise, ECU,Memphis) desperately trying to get in big boy football status - what would you do? Gamble on streaming taking over in the next decade, praying CFB doesn’t alter 6 best Conference Champs - no clear answer for an SDSU, SMU type, pretty clear answer for an LU type. Cal/ Stanford would never let us in, but a desperate OR/WA is a different story. Would winning 12 straight CUSA titles be better for LU before next realignment or would playing in a P5 extra light vs OSU,WSU,SMU, Memphis, annually do more for “perception” and butts in the seats and LU 40k plus stadium over next decade ?

[BlueBlood]

The problem the Big Ten has now is that it is only adding schools that add value. Which is creating geographic havoc. The Big Ten is also holding on to a few legacy schools that aren't carrying their weight (whether winning or revenue wise).

Maybe it's time for the B1G to create B1G-2. A conference for schools that fit the overall profile of the Big Ten, but don't create enough media value to warrant entry into the Big Ten (and the mega money that comes with it). This lets you fill in geographic gaps with schools like Cal and Stanford. Add Colorado, Pitt, Syracuse, GT, maybe UConn. Maybe use B1G-2 to get into TX and FL. If you can add UNC, add them as B1G and offer Duke a spot in B1G-2. Do the same with FSU and USF.

In FB, B1G schools play 7 or 8 conference games and 3 against B1G-2. The B1G-2 schools should be ones that make as much geographic sense as possible (Penn State plays Pitt and Syracuse regularly, USC plays Stanford and Cal, Nebraska plays Colorado, etc). The B1G-2 is set up the same way. They each have their own end of year championship (based on rankings). I would fully expect that B1G-2 teams would make the CFP.

Use 5-year in-conference winning percentages to create promotion and relegation. This will be the carrot for the schools agreeing to join as B1G-2 members. It will also let schools like Northwestern naturally move to B1G-2. Your conference pay-out increases and decreases based on promotion/relegation.

In all other sports, let schools play each other based on geography - but they will need to play in their separate B1G and B1G-2 tournaments at the end of the season to decide autobids.

So does the Big Ten "buy" the PAC (and its P5 status), or just create B1G-2 and build it new from the ground up?

[AATL]

Maybe it's time for the B1G to create B1G-2. A conference for schools that fit the overall profile of the Big Ten, but don't create enough media value to warrant entry into the Big Ten (and the mega money that comes with it). T

Isn't that called the MAC?

I was never a fan of the B1G's move to add Maryland and Rutgers in the first place. It will never happen, but in a hypothetical world I wouldn't be sad to see them get a firm handshake and depart for new homes.

I'm sure there's much to be said for the TV $$ and recruiting benefits that coast-to-coast conferences will generate. Personally and as a fan, I much prefer the natural rivalries of regional conferences. If there's ever a world where football becomes its own entity separate from other college athletics, I hope we get some regional restructuring.

[BlueBlood]

I think you missed the "schools that fit the overall profile of the Big Ten" part.

Allowing schools to play their natural rivals was actually my starting point. As a Penn State fan, I'd love to see Pitt and WVU in the B1G-2. I know a lot of folks would consider WVU not a good institutional fit, but I'm partial.

[JK37]

If WSU/OSU try and keep PAC 12 alive ( as one of the latest 100 rumors ) by getting x number of top G5 Teams ( I am betting 6 total for a Conference of 8 ). Who would they possibly get to pay the exit fees of current conference and willing to “roll the dice”. I would assume they would approach Boise St., SMU, SDSU,Fresno St, UNLV, and then SMU,UTSA,Memphis, Tulsa, Midwest, and ECU, UConn, USF, and ? East. Assume a streaming deal with Apple or Amazon with a $5 million per school base line and tiered upside based on subscriptions - that could reach $25 million or whatever. What schools would actually gamble just to claim Autonomy P5? I can think of 3 for sure - but starts getting fuzzy after that. SDSU tried to lead the charge already, but got snuffed out pretty quick, but if Apple started working with WSU/OSU to get foot in the door for CF - this is still a possibility. Perhaps Football only is looked at for a UConn if they want a coast to coast. ( I don’t think Apple cares, but if the viewer numbers work best - then coast to coast it is ). Just spitballing and didn’t drill down - but assume no more major expansion consolidation by P5 ( and still leaving Cal/Stanford out of this conference ). If your an AD at these type of schools - do you risk it short term loss vs potential major upside for both longer term $ and P3 consideration in the 2030’s when ACC gets GOR freedom? If you are a small tv market with a nationwide smattering of followers - ( Boise, ECU,Memphis) desperately trying to get in big boy football status - what would you do? Gamble on streaming taking over in the next decade, praying CFB doesn’t alter 6 best Conference Champs - no clear answer for an SDSU, SMU type, pretty clear answer for an LU type. Cal/ Stanford would never let us in, but a desperate OR/WA is a different story. Would winning 12 straight CUSA titles be better for LU before next realignment or would playing in a P5 extra light vs OSU,WSU,SMU, Memphis, annually do more for “perception” and butts in the seats and LU 40k plus stadium over next decade ?

I’m intrigued by this on the surface. I think what matters most is if OR/WA get to keep all the Pac12 branding and the rights a P5 conference usually gets. In that watered down version, do the other conferences step in and take away rights to playoff, etc.?

[JK37]

The promotion/relegation part of the B1G idea intrigued me. But Penn State would never go for starting out in B1G-2.

[BlueBlood]

The promotion/relegation part of the B1G idea intrigued me. But Penn State would never go for starting out in B1G-2.

They wouldn't need to - they are already in the Big Ten! The B1G-2 is for adding rivals (or at least geographically close schools) that don't bring the media value that is necessary to be added to the Big Ten.

You get to play 3 B1G-2 schools in FB each year and all the geographically close B1G-2 schools in other sports.

[Sly Fox]

The onus is on the four remaining Pac-12 schools to ensure that expansion targets meet certain standards in terms of brand recognition and academics. Though speculation has amplified this week that the quartet could try adding four or five Mountain West teams, a league source told The Chronicle that San Diego State is the only Mountain West school that would likely receive an invite.

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If this were to go down, the AAC would be in chaos if they were picked clean likley losing SMU, Rice, Tulane and perhaps USF. The league would alos be ripe for considering us under such dire circumstances.

Here is who could potentially be left after a Pac raid:

Charlotte
East Carolina
FAU
Memphis
Navy (FB Only)
North Texas
Temple
Tulsa
UAB
UTSA
Wichita State (Non-FB)

[Purple Haize]

The promotion/relegation part of the B1G idea intrigued me. But Penn State would never go for starting out in B1G-2.

I’m a huge Relegation Fan! Except it should be into and out of the ‘P5’. That would be AWESOME

[ATrain]

Per ESPN, the four ACC schools that are opposed to Cal and Stanford are FSU, Clemson, NC State, and UNC. I think these four should hold the line - if Notre Dame wants those two schools in the ACC, Notre Dame should fully join the ACC and bring their brand's worth with them. https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... l-stanford

[ballcoach15]

Notre Dame DOES NOT BELONG in ACC.

I posted years ago that the love of $$$ would destroy college sports. That day has arrived. I blame it all on the weak NCAA leadership.
Too much authority has been delegated to individual conferences, not to mention ESPN.

[cruzan_flame13]

Long term, everyone that's not in the P4 will be in the background for the next few decades. The G5 will be a FCS-eqe type of league in the eyes of the P4 and even tv deals. With that being said, do we actually believe the P4, especially the BIG and SEC (who has become more competitive), will allow an automatic playoff bid to a G5 team? That will change soon. The best G5's (UH, Cincy, BYU,UCF) just became power teams. Why would they give an automatic bid to an even more watered down G5 league? The hope to make the playoffs is quickly vanishing right before our eyes. It's not a surprise that SMU is hoping to get into the ACC, and even proposing to not require any league revenue for the first 5-7 years. They're thinking long term, knowing what the G5/PAC4 will become later on. Didn't you mention something similar for LU to do for long term success @tyndal23? It was humurous to some here, but look where college sports, especially football, is headed. Doesn't make logical sense right? That's the point, it is only about money. Oh well

[Purple Haize]

Notre Dame DOES NOT BELONG in ACC.

I posted years ago that the love of $$$ would destroy college sports. That day has arrived. I blame it all on the weak NCAA leadership.
Too much authority has been delegated to individual conferences, not to mention ESPN.

Without money how do you pay for the students scholarships?
Without money how do you pay Coaches 7-8 figure salaries?
Without money how do the stadiums and practice facilities get built?
Without money how do teams travel to play other teams?

Without money…you don’t have athletic programs

[cruzan_flame13]

Notre Dame DOES NOT BELONG in ACC.

I posted years ago that the love of $$$ would destroy college sports. That day has arrived. I blame it all on the weak NCAA leadership.
Too much authority has been delegated to individual conferences, not to mention ESPN.

Without money how do you pay for the students scholarships?
Without money how do you pay Coaches 7-8 figure salaries?
Without money how do the stadiums and practice facilities get built?
Without money how do teams travel to play other teams?

Without money…you don’t have athletic programs

I think there was no point of sending this response . He's pointing out poor leadership and the lack of responsibility of a governorship who pledges to keep things in order. Clearly college football is out of order and it's because of the love of money rather than accountability. I would even add pride to this, hence why the PAC barely exist because they think they were worth more than $30 million person school(definitely not without USC and UCLA). The love of money and needing money are two different concepts when it comes to college athletics [and any business/industry for that matter]. Money in itself is needed to keep things going, as you mentioned. The love of money, and power, causes these athletic autonomic division, confusion and traditional disruptions in which the NCAA allowed to happen for a long time(when they are here to maintain as much "balance" as possible). Maybe it's just me

[tyndal23]

Long term, everyone that's not in the P4 will be in the background for the next few decades. The G5 will be a FCS-eqe type of league in the eyes of the P4 and even tv deals. With that being said, do we actually believe the P4, especially the BIG and SEC (who has become more competitive), will allow an automatic playoff bid to a G5 team? That will change soon. The best G5's (UH, Cincy, BYU,UCF) just became power teams. Why would they give an automatic bid to an even more watered down G5 league? The hope to make the playoffs is quickly vanishing right before our eyes. It's not a surprise that SMU is hoping to get into the ACC, and even proposing to not require any league revenue for the first 5-7 years. They're thinking long term, knowing what the G5/PAC4 will become later on. Didn't you mention something similar for LU to do for long term success @tyndal23? It was humurous to some here, but look where college sports, especially football, is headed. Doesn't make logical sense right? That's the point, it is only about money. Oh well

I did. Unfortunately, we are a rich App St. ( good athletic program in a bad tv market) with a bad academic rep and despised evangelical rep. Big 12 was our only shot for P5 next go around - those dreams are over now that they loaded up on PAC schools. G5 it is for my lifetime, but who knows, maybe LU does get to 50k students and a 60k stadium in 20-30 years. Doubt the NWO allow football anyway - it isn’t inclusive and creates unnecessary travel...

[ballcoach15]

With these coast to coast conferences, there will be travel problems in all sports, except football. Games will get shortened to allow visitors to catch their plane. (it happened last season in a Kentucky vs Texas game).

I'm looking forward to the UCLA at Rutgers 3 game conference series.

[TH Spangler]

If the Pac 4 joined the ACC and everybody stayed put and ND joined as a full member do you think ESPN would up the money?

[Sly Fox]

ESPN for all intents & purposes is swimmingin red ink right now. There is plenty of speculation that Apple is considering buying Disney. But until that happens, there is simply not more funds for anyone to tap.

Fox is not as tight financially right now as Disney/ESPN thanks to unloading their regionals.

Notre Dame is not going to join any league for football for at least another decade or so. They prefer being kingmaker to actually making any commitments.

[cruzan_flame13]

If the Pac 4 joined the ACC and everybody stayed put and ND joined as a full member do you think ESPN would up the money?

Looks like ACC is playing the same cards as the PAC. What's it called when some one or group repeats the same action, and expecting a different results?

[ATrain]

If the Pac 4 joined the ACC and everybody stayed put and ND joined as a full member do you think ESPN would up the money?

Looks like ACC is playing the same cards as the PAC. What's it called when some one or group repeats the same action, and expecting a different results?

Insanity! And I blame FSU for it

[TH Spangler]

Most likely the 4 no votes FSU, Clemson, NC State, UNC have been approached by the SEC, B12 or B1G. Doing the Pac deal might limit their future options.

[ballcoach15]

All the ACC cares about is Notre Dame.

[ATrain]

ESPN for all intents & purposes is swimmingin red ink right now. There is plenty of speculation that Apple is considering buying Disney. But until that happens, there is simply not more funds for anyone to tap.

Fox is not as tight financially right now as Disney/ESPN thanks to unloading their regionals.

Notre Dame is not going to join any league for football for at least another decade or so. They prefer being kingmaker to actually making any commitments.

And what about NBC/Comcast/Universal as well as CBS/Paramount? How are their financials??