- April 23rd, 2022, 7:13 pm
#641799
What's up with the proposed new engineering building?? Probably need one for nursing and health professions too. Momentum lost??
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TH Spangler wrote: ↑April 24th, 2022, 7:54 am Since Biden was "put" in charge in 2020 building materials are 4 to 6 times higher. A friend of mine that's a builder stopped by yesterday and he was quoting prices then and now. This not a good time to spend on construction. It will probably take Trump / DeSantis three terms to strengthen it out.Love to hear you explain how this will change. I also find it interesting that building materials skyrocketed in the fall of 05 during the Bush era.
rogers3 wrote: ↑April 24th, 2022, 9:02 amIf I remember correctly 05 was a different situation. There was a building boom and materials rose ... nothing like what's going on today.TH Spangler wrote: ↑April 24th, 2022, 7:54 am Since Biden was "put" in charge in 2020 building materials are 4 to 6 times higher. A friend of mine that's a builder stopped by yesterday and he was quoting prices then and now. This not a good time to spend on construction. It will probably take Trump / DeSantis three terms to strengthen it out.Love to hear you explain how this will change. I also find it interesting that building materials skyrocketed in the fall of 05 during the Bush era.
TH Spangler wrote: ↑April 24th, 2022, 9:44 amThe problem here is that you choose to politicize everything. Building prices skyrocketed at the end of 2005 due to material costs rising. Remember, hurricane Katrina shut down all refineries which led to shortages in shingles floor coverings and other building materials. With that, came an astronomical rise in fuel prices that has never really recovered. Of course, there were folks in government who blame bush the same way that you are choosing to blame Biden for rises that are more related to labor issues in the supply chain then to political action. True, you might say that Biden shut things down too much, but it did start with Trump. Also, we've seen a change in the way the American worker has responded, even after the boat has mostly been righted. People are just flat-out choosing not to work in the traditional sense and to assume that they are all just getting government aid to do that is incorrect. I know plenty of people who are not taking traditional jobs but are doing odd jobs for cash and have simplified quite a bit. This is a generation that doesn't value homeownership and would choose to rent or live the life of a nomad in their van.rogers3 wrote: ↑April 24th, 2022, 9:02 amIf I remember correctly 05 was a different situation. There was a building boom and materials rose ... nothing like what's going on today.TH Spangler wrote: ↑April 24th, 2022, 7:54 am Since Biden was "put" in charge in 2020 building materials are 4 to 6 times higher. A friend of mine that's a builder stopped by yesterday and he was quoting prices then and now. This not a good time to spend on construction. It will probably take Trump / DeSantis three terms to strengthen it out.Love to hear you explain how this will change. I also find it interesting that building materials skyrocketed in the fall of 05 during the Bush era.
Bush was a sleep at the wheel while Barney Frank and company started unprecedented growth of the subprime mortgage market. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made home loan to borrowers who had low credit scores. By 2008 most ended up defaulting on the loans.
now.
rogers3 wrote: ↑April 25th, 2022, 7:16 am Politics do play a role in all of this but to simply blame the president because he's not Trump is a pretty lazy and uninformed position.Biden is compromised. He and his family are deep in corruption, he has to do what he's told to see another day. The far left and China are his master. His orders so far are to "reverse everything Trump did". There are a lot of Blue Dog Democrats that are very disappointed in their choice.
BlueBlood wrote: ↑April 25th, 2022, 2:19 pm I liked the look of the Engineering Building that they put out there (and filed plans for). However, I was not a fan of its placement. They were going to wedge it very tightly catawampus in front of DeMoss (in the existing parking lot). I'm wondering if someone had second thoughts about that and pumped the brakes. It was very much a little building in front of big building look (How nice would the White House look if it was built 30 yards and angled in front of the Pentagon?)How many schools do we have in total? I already put aside the idea of the master plan being completed. I'm sure they're reasons for why the plans have halted, but I do not expect much being done when the other Jerry is in the presidential position.
Also, I'm assuming that some academic unit will take over the old cafeteria location after they move into the new cafeteria. That is really the last prime real estate on the academic lawn - so I'd expect a really nice building to occupy it at some point.
And, every time an academic unit moves out of DeMoss, it frees up room for the remaining schools. I think DeMoss is right around 500,000 square feet - which is as big as the Music Building, Library, Business Building and Natural Sciences Building combined. All that to say, not everybody is going to need their own building.
BlueBlood wrote: ↑April 25th, 2022, 2:19 pm I liked the look of the Engineering Building that they put out there (and filed plans for). However, I was not a fan of its placement. They were going to wedge it very tightly catawampus in front of DeMoss (in the existing parking lot). I'm wondering if someone had second thoughts about that and pumped the brakes. It was very much a little building in front of big building look (How nice would the White House look if it was built 30 yards and angled in front of the Pentagon?)It’s weird to consider, but Demoss is now the ugly, outdated building on campus. I wonder if they would renovate Demoss instead of building new standalones.
Also, I'm assuming that some academic unit will take over the old cafeteria location after they move into the new cafeteria. That is really the last prime real estate on the academic lawn - so I'd expect a really nice building to occupy it at some point.
And, every time an academic unit moves out of DeMoss, it frees up room for the remaining schools. I think DeMoss is right around 500,000 square feet - which is as big as the Music Building, Library, Business Building and Natural Sciences Building combined. All that to say, not everybody is going to need their own building.
stokesjokes wrote: ↑April 25th, 2022, 7:25 pm It’s weird to consider, but Demoss is now the ugly, outdated building on campus. I wonder if they would renovate Demoss instead of building new standalones.There is so much room in that building. Unless there is something structurally wrong with it, the guts of that building can take the place of several standalones. Instead of them wedging a standalone Engineering Building in the parking lot, it might make more sense to do the same thing they did on the academic lawn side (where they added the Montview Student Union) and extend DeMoss out with a new face. I really like how the Student Union gives the appearance of being two or three separate buildings from the lawn but is really just a face for one huge building. They could do the same thing on the highway side - giving the outward appearance that different schools have their own building, but really those facades all connect to the existing space in DeMoss. It seems like it would be very flexible - they could easily rework the innards of DeMoss as different schools grow or contract.