JK37 wrote: ↑January 13th, 2022, 2:00 pm
stokesjokes wrote: ↑January 13th, 2022, 11:55 am
But, again, its about proximate cause. If someone has heart disease, gets COVID and dies, they aren’t killed by the heart disease. Even if they have stage 4 cancer with 6 months to live, if they get COVID and die 6 months before they would have if they had not had it, they still died of COVID.
If they wouldn’t have died of COVID without the heart disease, then they died of COVID and heart disease. That’s the whole point of the “co-“ in comorbidity.
If your intent is to inject fear into the society, rather than scientifically protect that society’s health…well, here we are.
I see what you’re saying, but that’s not how these stats are counted for other diseases, so I wouldn’t say it’s purposely presented this way to inject fear, they’re just following the established procedure for determining cause of death. It would get very convoluted to not use proximate cause as the official cause of death.
Let’s say an obese guy dies of a heart attack, should we say the cause of death is “heart attack and obesity?” Take it further, let’s say our friend has developed diabetes because of his weight, is the cause of death “heart attack and obesity and diabetes?” No, we would say the cause of death would be the heart attack, because if he hadn’t had the heart attack, he wouldn’t have died.
JK37 wrote:[quote=stokesjokes post_id=638667 time=<a href="tel:1642095332" data-original-title="" title="">1642095332</a> user_id=2144]
Ask any ICU nurse what their protocol is for vents. You’re not going to be on one unless you would die without it.
I believe this is true. And if recovery isn’t possible, why put them on the vent at all?[/quote]
It’s not that recovery isn’t possible, but the survival rates aren’t very pleasant. From a quick search I can’t find any large-scale data, but the smaller studies from individual health systems suggest that the survival rate is well over 50%. Of course, if it’s framed as “40% of people put on ventilators die! See, it’s the ventilators killing people!”, then you’re dealing with someone who either doesn’t understand what’s going on or is being intentionally misleading about it.