Just John wrote: ↑October 20th, 2021, 12:01 am
tyndal23 wrote: ↑October 19th, 2021, 10:32 pm
JK37 wrote: ↑October 19th, 2021, 9:28 pm
This is where I land. Get it, don’t get it; it’s up to you. But not a single person who has told me they oppose it on the basis of their religion can’t articulate an argument on that basis. Not even a bad one. At this point, I’d settle for anything resembling coherence!
It’s a bad look for the faith when the loudest among us resemble the most ignorant.
Seriously ? Did you miss the fetal cell line video ?
I don't follow these threads very often because in general they are futile...very few will change their opinion. So I did not see the video you mention but I'm aware of the concern that some have because a line of fetal cells was used on the creation of the vaccines. I get it. If that is your point and you are consistent with every other vaccine and product where the HEK293 fetal cell line are involved you have my respect. That would also preclude you or your children from many standard vaccines such as:
rubella
measles
rabies
shingles
hepatitis
They were used also in a number of products such as Tylenol and Advil and numerous cosmetics. It's used in research for Parkinson's Disease. There are many, many others. There is a long list on a pro-life Catholic site that that include Azithromycin / Zithromax, Hydroxychloroquine, Remdesivir and Ivermectin as all being tested on HEK293. If true it should pose an ethical dilemma for those against the Covid vaccines but for these therapeutics. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughca ... -medicine/
This from a practicing Catholic, James Lawler, an infectious disease expert at the University of Nebraska Medical Center.
“I understand why people have concerns, The bottom line is almost all the medical products we use have in some way been touched by research that’s been done on fetal cell lines. These are cell lines that were originally derived from fetal tissue from aborted fetuses many of back in the 70s and 80s and they’ve been immortalized and retained and passaged again and again."
https://www.9news.com/article/news/loca ... 9d3a98fa84
Let me preface this by saying that I am not necessarily accusing you of inventing the argument. However, the Tylenol argument is one of the most absurd leftist talking points that I have ever heard. Paracetamol (acetaminophen) dates as far back as 1852. The HEK.293 line was derived from an abortion in 1973.
There is a marked difference between taking a substance like Tylenol, which was not tainted in its testing and development stage in any way, from a substance that had its very genesis in its track to market tested on fetal cells.
The vast majority of the most common substances that are used by most people, long predate those cell lines.
One is tainted as it is tested as it is developed on the cell line, and thus necessarily becomes intertwined with and derived from the cell line.
Now one might not like this distinction, but it is a distinction that many Christians share in holding. The fact that one disagrees with the distinction doesn't make it any less sincere or religious. They just happen to disagree with it.
The distinction makes sense when you really think about it though. On one hand, you have a pre-existing substance. It matters not that some demonic psychopath takes it and then tests it on a cell line.
Besides, beyond the fetal cell line argument, many Christians have an inherent problem with mRNA vaccines, as they believe that only God has the right to artificially interfere with natural cellular biology. Some Christians would accept a traditional inactivated whole cell virus, but wouldn't accept the mRNA virus.
There is also the Kuyperian sphere of sovereignty argument (which holds the most weight with me.)
Regardless of which objection might be put forward, the fact that you disagree with these objections doesn't make them any less "Christian" or any less valid. Just as an Old Order Amish believer might disagree with you about driving a car.