- July 21st, 2021, 9:05 am
#629104
Shows an unacceptable pattern of victim blaming. https://newsadvance.com/news/local/crim ... -top-story
Moderators: jcmanson, Sly Fox, BuryYourDuke
Sly Fox wrote: ↑October 11th, 2021, 10:17 am Once upon a time she used to post occassionally in this forum. She was a longtime and frankly well loved LU prof who was not afraid to call out the school leadership when needed. We have had few internal voices willing to show such courage over the years. I have not always agreed with her. In fact, more often than not we have seen issues from very different perspectives. But I have appreciated her voice on issues over the past few years ... including her very public exit to SEBTS. And I believe she knows well and good that sexual predators have long existed in seminaries like hers. I believe she genuinely still loves this university and wants to see it restored.Most are on the same page with regard to keeping only what is good and discarding the bad. The specific reference and context to KSP involve her veiled allegations along with other ambiguities. Let's just say that some people are gonna view her remarks as excessive and irresponsible.
I typically agree with most of your thoughts, paradox. But in this case I am going to have to differ. We are at a seminal moment in our school's history where true change had the potential to occur in a positive sense. This is not a time to let old dogs lie. This is a time to get rabid dogs out of the house. There has been a tendency around LU circles to as Roger Goodell famously described: "Defend the shield". I do not believe that is Scriptural. God does not want us to cover up sin and crimes against our own to protect a brand. I believe God hates us covering up sin. When we have issues in our house we should be vigilant and valiant in exposing and displacing sin.
paradox wrote:Why? There's only one way to view it if you listened the the podcast?Amongst the "home crowd" I would sadly say no. But a dozen Jane Does probably doesn't jolt them into reality either.
LUconn wrote: ↑October 11th, 2021, 1:56 pmDodging the original subject? What about the excessive and irresponsible nature of her comments today? Not remotely possible? How so? Again, you would think a lit prof would have a little more insight into human nature. Predator would be a very shallow observation based on the information available.paradox wrote:Why? There's only one way to view it if you listened the the podcast?Amongst the "home crowd" I would sadly say no. But a dozen Jane Does probably doesn't jolt them into reality either.
paradox wrote: ↑October 11th, 2021, 1:55 pm Would it be a crime to expect the musings of a literature prof to be a lot less shallow and a little more insightful on the subjects of human nature and tragedy? If literature teaches us anything, it teaches us that things are never as they should be.Yikes. Stumbling upon a single tweet in a years long conversation that KSP has had regarding the LU situation and dismissing her take as “shallow”?
BlueBlood wrote: ↑October 11th, 2021, 11:51 am Thanks for the background Sly. I completely agree with your "This is a time to get rabid dogs out of the house" statement. Honestly, who can argue with that?The lack of tolerance for corruption has been an ongoing discussion for years. Like KSP, the people who do post on this regularly most likely have a very large place in their heart for the school, and particularly for the mission and the faculty. I think of this as one many opportunities to encourage accountability; for many, this is our only forum, but I hope that a few might have the opportunity to do more.
I am sometimes dismissive of some posters if every single post about LU is criticism. Despite obvious and public shortcomings, LU is still a special place and I'm instantly skeptical if someone can't say anything nice at all. LU has been such a blessing to my family and I'm not okay when someone appears to be hurling criticism after criticism and otherwise just piling on. That said, I'm also not okay with the rosey-glasses approach either - all has not been well and I'm really not sure what else lies beneath. I'm sure there is still work to do and I pray that corruption is property dealt with.
stokesjokes wrote: ↑October 11th, 2021, 2:07 pmI'm fairly confident that people, in general, understand what I'm referring to, even if a few seem to miss it. The tweet is excessive and certainly not the most "redemptive" thing to do. I'm not gonna defend Junior/Becki.....but I'm not gonna defend Prior either.paradox wrote: ↑October 11th, 2021, 1:55 pm Would it be a crime to expect the musings of a literature prof to be a lot less shallow and a little more insightful on the subjects of human nature and tragedy? If literature teaches us anything, it teaches us that things are never as they should be.Yikes. Stumbling upon a single tweet in a years long conversation that KSP has had regarding the LU situation and dismissing her take as “shallow”?
And as Christians, aren’t we the ones who both hope and work for the redemption of all things?
Sly Fox wrote: ↑October 11th, 2021, 10:17 am Once upon a time she used to post occassionally in this forum. She was a longtime and frankly well loved LU prof who was not afraid to call out the school leadership when needed. We have had few internal voices willing to show such courage over the years. I have not always agreed with her. In fact, more often than not we have seen issues from very different perspectives. But I have appreciated her voice on issues over the past few years ... including her very public exit to SEBTS. And I believe she knows well and good that sexual predators have long existed in seminaries like hers. I believe she genuinely still loves this university and wants to see it restored.I ran into an old colleague today that has been working at LU now for several years and is currently in a position with absolute direct knowledge of some of these specific issues. This individual and knows of my love for the school. As we talked the following statements were made:
I typically agree with most of your thoughts, paradox. But in this case I am going to have to differ. We are at a seminal moment in our school's history where true change had the potential to occur in a positive sense. This is not a time to let old dogs lie. This is a time to get rabid dogs out of the house. There has been a tendency around LU circles to as Roger Goodell famously described: "Defend the shield". I do not believe that is Scriptural. God does not want us to cover up sin and crimes against our own to protect a brand. I believe God hates us covering up sin. When we have issues in our house we should be vigilant and valiant in exposing and displacing sin.
Just John wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 12:02 amJonathan will need to explain at some point why he didn't do anything about the Jane Doe emails and why he has been silent. He also had knowledge of Jr's dealings but kept silent. These are not pleasant facts but it is what it is.Sly Fox wrote: ↑October 11th, 2021, 10:17 am Once upon a time she used to post occassionally in this forum. She was a longtime and frankly well loved LU prof who was not afraid to call out the school leadership when needed. We have had few internal voices willing to show such courage over the years. I have not always agreed with her. In fact, more often than not we have seen issues from very different perspectives. But I have appreciated her voice on issues over the past few years ... including her very public exit to SEBTS. And I believe she knows well and good that sexual predators have long existed in seminaries like hers. I believe she genuinely still loves this university and wants to see it restored.I ran into an old colleague today that has been working at LU now for several years and is currently in a position with absolute direct knowledge of some of these specific issues. This individual and knows of my love for the school. As we talked the following statements were made:
I typically agree with most of your thoughts, paradox. But in this case I am going to have to differ. We are at a seminal moment in our school's history where true change had the potential to occur in a positive sense. This is not a time to let old dogs lie. This is a time to get rabid dogs out of the house. There has been a tendency around LU circles to as Roger Goodell famously described: "Defend the shield". I do not believe that is Scriptural. God does not want us to cover up sin and crimes against our own to protect a brand. I believe God hates us covering up sin. When we have issues in our house we should be vigilant and valiant in exposing and displacing sin.
- "The administration is not living up to the mission we claim, "Training Champions for Christ"
- "The administration won't take ownership or accountability for things that have taken place"
- "It's a political minefield"
- "Prevo is irrelevant"
- "Lamb isn't the only one that will go"
- "I'm hearing very good things about Jonathan"
I don't think there are really any surprises here. We are stuck with what we have until we have a new board. The point was made that leaders are everywhere, appointed or otherwise.
- I asked if there were any bright lights. The response was, "Yes, by people I see everyday from janitorial services to some in the administration. I walked past an English class this morning and the door was open and the professor was praying with the class. It brought tears to my eyes. It reminded me of the school I graduated from and made me feel everything would be okay"
On a very positive note, I went to the alumni concert at TRBC Friday night. It was very well done. It wasn't just an entertaining three hours, although it was that, but it was also a very worshipful and inspirational time. A real honor to Jerry Sr. Nice tributes to Doug Oldham and David Randlett if you are old enough to have been around when they were. It should be available on the LU youtube channel.
Whatisthetruth wrote: ↑October 11th, 2021, 7:51 pm This is the kind of thing Jr would do when he wanted to squash dissent.What is a Temporary Student Group, and what is their purpose/mission ?